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Lore Keeper wrote:Have you ever felt insulted by a toy reveal? I didn't think it was possible, but that's how Smokescreen and Megatron are making me feel right now. The other reveals are, of course, awesome.

I will be honest, that megs feels a bit like a slap in the face. He was the least interesting design from the voyagers in Earthrise (but still a solid figure) so seeing that they used that same design for an "earth mode" feels lame. All to say... easy pass.

Smokescreen does give fans an earth alt mode and finally proves that what came out the previous year is in no way a factor into what can come out the year after. I had predicted that this was exactly what we would get with smokescreen. Wait till next year where we get another datsun mold and Bluestreak is the one available at retail.

Sabrblade wrote:

The powermaster chest piece on Doubledealer looks fairly big, maybe even the size of Siege Soundwave’s chest compartment. Perhaps Knok and Skar might come later as a Spy Patrol set repaint of Rumble & Ratbat.

Lore Keeper wrote:Have you ever felt insulted by a toy reveal? I didn't think it was possible, but that's how Smokescreen and Megatron are making me feel right now. The other reveals are, of course, awesome.

I don't find them insulting, Hasbro wants to make money and they'll sell plenty of these.

I do find them very boring though. One day my prince will come and not be a legion class toy.

If you go on the Walmart barcode scan app, you can see new listings for Transformers Earthrise figures. Not all have pictures, but some do. You cannot to into the listing, but you can still see the thumbnail, which is pictured below. You will find a deluxe Alicon, deluxe Runamuk, voyager Snapdragon, leader Doubledealer and Earthrise's Quintesson judge figure. That last one was said to be a voyager before and it has a modular element to it, something we saw more with the deluxes. They all look exactly as can be expected from the current stance of being as faithful as possible to G1, at least when it comes to mainline mass market toys. These screenshots below were taken by Jtprime17, who first posted them on TFW's message boards. Let us know what you think!

Doubledealer, Snapdragon, an Allicon, and a Quintesson. It's like all my dreams are coming true at once.

ScottyP wrote:[ One day my prince will come and not be a legion class toy.

That Alicon looks double dippin' monkey flippin' army buildin' DOOOOOOPE!!!!

As one of the worlds foremost Datsun Bros super fan, I love the classic look of that Smokescreen, but man I'm having a hard time with this. I mean I saw this coming as soon as it was rumored, but C'MON!!!! Money doesn't grow on trees.

Though I would personally like to thank Earthrise Megatron for saving me some scratch!

From that picture, Snapdragon look meh...
But this sucker will still buy it.

So far, Doubledealer look awesome! Too bad his Powermasters would surely have to be bought separately. They could easily be Soundwave Casettes remolds.

I hope that ER Starscream DOES get Skywarp and Thundercracker redecoes as well as the coneheads. With as many SIEGE Starscreams as are clogging shelves and with how hard it is to find SIEGE Skywarp, frankly they should have led with Skywarp instead of Screamer. It would have been fitting too, since Skywarp was the first get an Earth mode and awaken.

MKyuun wrote:Respectfully, the argument that Earthrise Arcee's shell/parts-formation was necessary to enable waist swivel doesn't convince me, as MMC's Azalea has perfect transformation coalescing her car fenders into her shoulder pods, while maintaining the waist swivel. It's certainly doable.

Azalea doesn't count, because Azalea doesn't retain a G1-accurate car mode. Azalea is also bigger, so delicacy is less of an issue (or is it? Does Azalea have breakage problems?) and there's more room to work with.

MKyuun wrote:I don't share the optimism that her 'hoverboard', as it were, integrates into the transformation. It'd be a slight improvement, but it's certainly going to add considerable bulk to her backpack if it does, or if it at least snaps onto the backpack, given that it doesn't appear to collapse into a smaller form.

I think it will either fold over the rest of the backpack, or between the backpack and her back.

MKyuun wrote:I think Takara just gave up on this design, and went the simplest route by making her a nice looking action figure with basically a hinged hoodie and 2/3 snap-on alt mode. To my eye, little to nothing of that robot mode becomes a car, and you could easily remove the top of her backpack, join it to the lower half, and have a complete stand alone car and robot, as neither mode requires anything of the other.

Oh, I'm not saying she's not a shellformer - she's right up there with Break and Big Convoy. But I can at least see why they did it that way. Perhaps they did take the easy way out by doing that to gain the pelvis swivel, but it's not an incomprehensible thing. And I think she has enough fun factor and good looks to make up for her shortcomings. I'm not as disappointed in her as I am in the waste that is ER Megatron; the only thing he looks to have over the SIEGE version is MAYBEbarrel elevation, and he's still just as bland-looking. HasTak should either change him to G2 colors before release or just scrap him altogether.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:
A very nice, feminine figured Arcee. No partsforming needed here.

3rd party figures have a few non-partsforming deluxe Arcees. I know we're talking about official figures here, but it CAN be done.

I wouldn't have minded the parts forming if it wasn't so egregious. Or if the hoverboard looked like a hoverboard. There's a 3rd party Arcee called Motobot who's all about partsforming. But her parts assemble into sick guns! She remains one of my favourite figures.

Why do so many people seemingly not know about this Arcee? No partsforming here either. Well, except for her smaller gun. No prayer of a waist swivel on this Arcee, though.

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Microbot wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote: Making TR Overlord the leader by default I guess....

I hope they remake another new Overlord into this WFC series

I'd be down for a Titan Class Overlord.

I think Overlord would be better as a Commander class.

My thoughts on the newer reveals:
Airwave is cool and looks like a lot of fun.

Smokescreen isn't the most exciting, but it does mean he'll be easier to find.

Megatron needs to take either a bath in green plastic dye, or a flying leap. I'm going to send a complaint letter before he has a chance to pollute store shelves.

Snapdragon, Runamuck, the Allicon, the Quintesson, and Doubledealer are quite good looking. I'm especially excited for Snapdragon and Doubledealer.

Come on Doubledealer - Stalker repaint ...
(Though original mold is preference)

william-james88 wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:Have you ever felt insulted by a toy reveal? I didn't think it was possible, but that's how Smokescreen and Megatron are making me feel right now. The other reveals are, of course, awesome.

I will be honest, that megs feels a bit like a slap in the face. He was the least interesting design from the voyagers in Earthrise (but still a solid figure) so seeing that they used that same design for an "earth mode" feels lame. All to say... easy pass.

Smokescreen does give fans an earth alt mode and finally proves that what came out the previous year is in no way a factor into what can come out the year after. I had predicted that this was exactly what we would get with smokescreen. Wait till next year where we get another datsun mold and Bluestreak is the one available at retail.

IMO, the insulting part isn't the figures - it's Hasbro's growing mentality that that they can use nostalgia to get fans to buy essentially the same product multiple times. I'll probably post on it again in a few days as it's a complex topic and I want to give some thought to it instead of just "rage react", but I will say that ER is starting to taint how I view Siege in retrospect.

I think the problem with Megatron and the Datsuns is not that they're getting released with g1-ish earthmodes in Earthrise, but rather, that their altmodes in Siege were too earh-like. They should have had more creative, less man-made looking altmodes in Siege. Baut they didn't, so now these new figures feel boring, when they're actually pretty cool looking and in line with the whole budget-masterpiece thing Earthrise seems to be shooting for. Rather, it was actually the Siege figures that were boring, taking into account the whole "cybertronian altmodes" concept it was supposed to represent.

Burn wrote:Come on Doubledealer - Stalker repaint ...
(Though original mold is preference)

You know, a few years ago I'd said there'd be a snowball's chance in hell of that happening, but they are starting to scrap the bottom of that G1 barrel. A safer bet would be a Soundwave redeco, considering they are re-releasing the rest of the Siege cast.

Smokes and Megs are pissing me off, but Airwave, the Allicon, and Doubledealer are definite buys along with Sky Lynx.

carytheone wrote:

Burn wrote:Come on Doubledealer - Stalker repaint ...
(Though original mold is preference)

You know, a few years ago I'd said there'd be a snowball's chance in hell of that happening, but they are starting to scrap the bottom of that G1 barrel. A safer bet would be a Soundwave redeco, considering they are re-releasing the rest of the Siege cast.

BOTTOM OF THE BARREL? SOUNDWAVE?
You sir, are not very nice.

Rtron wrote:I think the problem with Megatron and the Datsuns is not that they're getting released with g1-ish earthmodes in Earthrise, but rather, that their altmodes in Siege were too earh-like. They should have had more creative, less man-made looking altmodes in Siege.

This is pretty much how I'm feeling about it at the moment.

Smokescreen is less disappointing than Megatron because Smokescreen has a decent design overall and the focus on him suggests that he will be available at retail this time. It gives those who missed the boat on the Selects version more of a chance.

Burn wrote:

carytheone wrote:

Burn wrote:Come on Doubledealer - Stalker repaint ...
(Though original mold is preference)

You know, a few years ago I'd said there'd be a snowball's chance in hell of that happening, but they are starting to scrap the bottom of that G1 barrel. A safer bet would be a Soundwave redeco, considering they are re-releasing the rest of the Siege cast.

BOTTOM OF THE BARREL? SOUNDWAVE?
You sir, are not very nice.

I think he was saying that Stalker (a European Late G1 character) was bottom of the barrel.

I'm sorry but a safer bet (other than stalker) is Cybertron Defence Red Alert

Burn wrote:

carytheone wrote:

Burn wrote:Come on Doubledealer - Stalker repaint ...
(Though original mold is preference)

You know, a few years ago I'd said there'd be a snowball's chance in hell of that happening, but they are starting to scrap the bottom of that G1 barrel. A safer bet would be a Soundwave redeco, considering they are re-releasing the rest of the Siege cast.

BOTTOM OF THE BARREL? SOUNDWAVE?
You sir, are not very nice.

Well that goes without saying, but I did say there is a chance and that's better than no chance at all. Gotta think positive , besides I don't need anymore obscure Soundwaves. that's a lie, I need them all

Cobotron wrote:

Rtron wrote:I think the problem with Megatron and the Datsuns is not that they're getting released with g1-ish earthmodes in Earthrise, but rather, that their altmodes in Siege were too earh-like. They should have had more creative, less man-made looking altmodes in Siege.

This is pretty much how I'm feeling about it at the moment.

All of this, 100%.

Calling it right now: Sunstreaker will share a mold with the battlechargers.

Smokescreen looks fantastic! Everything that was a shortcoming in the "Generations Selects" release from last year has been addressed, which is mainly the paint apps and color distribution. Earthrise Smokescreen looks to be right on the money...except for his shoulder cannons and gun. Here's hoping the new Earthrise (re)mold is still compatible with the "Siege" tooling so that I can swap out the black shoulder cannons and blue blaster for the all white cannons and blaster that came with the Selects release.

Megatron is very disappointing. I think I like the Siege version better. In fact, I just want a re-release of that without the battle damage and with the last few missing paint apps restored. That would be a perfect "Generations" G1 Megatron for me. This new Earthrise version looks to have an even bigger backpack, and the partsforming turret is just way too big. I hope that it can somehow compact onto his back instead for storage, because it looks terrible wielded as a "weapon." Let's hope the mold actually looks better in person than in CGI renders.

Rtron wrote:I think the problem with Megatron and the Datsuns is not that they're getting released with g1-ish earthmodes in Earthrise, but rather, that their altmodes in Siege were too earh-like. They should have had more creative, less man-made looking altmodes in Siege. Baut they didn't, so now these new figures feel boring, when they're actually pretty cool looking and in line with the whole budget-masterpiece thing Earthrise seems to be shooting for. Rather, it was actually the Siege figures that were boring, taking into account the whole "cybertronian altmodes" concept it was supposed to represent.

This is exactly it. When the Siege designs were revealed, I was worried HasTak would just reshell them with Earth modes later. This is essentially what is now happening for some of the figures. They should have just committed to the Cybertronian aesthetic or let the Siege figures stand as the definitive versions for now and get some new characters in there. Time will tell how their plan pays off. On one hand, these are popular characters that sell well. On the other, many people already went in during Siege and may not be willing to double dip for a tweaked alt mode.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I think he was saying that Stalker (a European Late G1 character) was bottom of the barrel.

I know what he was saying, and I definitely don't need a history lesson on G1.5 figures.

carytheone wrote:Well that goes without saying, but I did say there is a chance and that's better than no chance at all. Gotta think positive , besides I don't need anymore obscure Soundwaves. that's a lie, I need them all

I hope your "obscure Soundwaves" collection gets cooties.

Some better pics

Burn wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I think he was saying that Stalker (a European Late G1 character) was bottom of the barrel.

I know what he was saying, and I definitely don't need a history lesson on G1.5 figures.

Then why did you act like he was applying the "Bottom of the barrel" part to Soundwave? Just being facetious?

Tuned Agent wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

Rtron wrote:I think the problem with Megatron and the Datsuns is not that they're getting released with g1-ish earthmodes in Earthrise, but rather, that their altmodes in Siege were too earh-like. They should have had more creative, less man-made looking altmodes in Siege.

This is pretty much how I'm feeling about it at the moment.

All of this, 100%.

Calling it right now: Sunstreaker will share a mold with the battlechargers.

I'm pretty sure he will instead share a mold with Wheeljack (assuming it's not an academic distinction).

The problem with trying to give the pre-movie G1 characters less man-made looking altmodes in SIEGE was that the cartoon artists never gave them unearthly robot modes, and so trying to reconcile that... Wheeljack and Bumblebee are the absolute worst offenders.

I will reiterate that I don't have a problem with Smokescreen (the only Datsun we've seen thus far, though we probably will get at least more), because the SIEGE version was an online exclusive that is now harder to find and will probably get expensive. It's like Timelines Thundercracker, Thrust, and Dirge getting retail versions. And much like those, ER Smokescreen offers improvements on the Selects version. Better color layout and he has the spoiler. Although on the other hand, his front end is less Datsun-like...
Also, doing a comparison to my SIEGE Prowl... Earthrise Smokescreen is a new mold.

Megatron, on the other hand, I do have a problem with. In fairness to him, he actually does look significantly different from the SIEGE figure in vehicle mode thanks to the turret changes and not being an H-tank. But he's still just as bland if not more so, has a more awkward melee weapon, and has a more cluttered look in robot mode. I think he'd be better off as G2 Megatron, RID Bludgeon, or just plain scrapped. I've already sent a letter of complaint to Hasbro to that effect, and I suggest those who are similarly disappointed send them letters of your own.

I want a Leader-class Megs that does for him what the ER Leader OP does for Optimus Prime.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'm not as disappointed in her as I am in the waste that is ER Megatron; the only thing he looks to have over the SIEGE version is MAYBEbarrel elevation, and he's still just as bland-looking. HasTak should either change him to G2 colors before release or just scrap him altogether.

Based on ER Prime's wheel kibble on his lower back being designed to be easily removable, I'm gonna guess ER Megatron's tank treada might also be designed to be more easily removable to get to more of a G1 silhouette, but that's not a huge improvement.