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The supercharger still looks less ridiculous than the CW Breakdown mold's attempt to have the HFG double as the supercharger.

Tuned Agent wrote:He does share one thing with Wheeljack though, a lack of decent weapons.

I blame plastic limits combined with neither having a signature gun.

I'm quite eager for Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker. They both look good to me. Wheeljack wasn't as interesting to me because I find his 2011 toy (which I already own, and which can use the original toy's launchers) to be just fine. Sunstreaker on the other hand... The CW version has completely the wrong robot mode because it's a headswap recolor of Breakdown, and the Universe toy really is a mold intended as Sideswipe and redecoed as Sunstreaker.

Sunstreaker definitely looks good. Though, I do want to know how the supercharger looks on his back

I'm sure they will both look better in stock images and in retail rather then these renders since those tend to sometimes be wonky.

*compares Sunstreaker to Wheeljack, and even to Runamuck*

Nope, I don't see the whole retool thing either like Tuned. Not a single part in common. Look for yourselves.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:*compares Sunstreaker to Wheeljack, and even to Runamuck*

Nope, I don't see the whole retool thing either like Tuned. Not a single part in common. Look for yourselves.

Sunny seems to be a very extensive retool of Wheeljack. Also, am I the only person who thinks Runamuck is a reworking of Cliffjumper?

So many Transformers to get this year! But after Sunstreaker, that just leaves Inferno, the Autobot Targetmasters, and some Throttlebots and that's, like, every G1 character I want. Then I can satisfy the itch with some secondhand vintage stuff until something new comes along.

And yeah, Sunstreaker looks to be his own mold, at least with no shared parts.

I think there might be some shared inner parts, but it's a Blurr-Chromedome situation if so

Tigerhawk7109 wrote:[ Also, am I the only person who thinks Runamuck is a reworking of Cliffjumper?

He's too big! Cliff is Scout class size.

Whifflefire wrote:

Tigerhawk7109 wrote:[ Also, am I the only person who thinks Runamuck is a reworking of Cliffjumper?

He's too big! Cliff is Scout class size.

holy crap

I had him written off as a cliffjumper retool (he looks it) and I wanted him, but seeing him there, he's massive, was not ready for that

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Flashwave wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Emerje wrote:Come on, Hasbro, this is what test molds are for. Between this and Apeface you're really letting the quality control slip in ways it shouldn't be possible.

Emerje

What was the big slipup with Apeface?

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With Apeface, the shield/rear wing is fragile clear plastic, and the fit for the Jet mode is snug. Plus, with the way it wraps around the cockpit, its next to impossible to rock it loose, and more than a few reports have come in on that peg breaking off in Apeface's back

Ah, I see. Good to know. I take it it's hard plastic then?

It's clear plastic painted pink. No idea why they would choose to do it that way. First the peg is super long and the clear plastic is brittle so it just snaps without warning, you can't even feel it snap when it happens. They should have run a pin through it like they occasionally do on high stress parts.


The other problem is the peg isn't even necessary for alt modes since it's also secured by going over the cockpit (the real one for the Titan Master in the back), the peg is only necessary for using as a shield and could have been half as long.


Mine broke, but there's enough peg left to still function as a shield and honestly looks better closer to the arm.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:*compares Sunstreaker to Wheeljack, and even to Runamuck*

Nope, I don't see the whole retool thing either like Tuned. Not a single part in common. Look for yourselves.

Since Runamuck and Sunstreaker are in the same wave it would have been a little strange to have one be a retool of the other. And really, Runamuck doesn't need to be a retool since the mold is ready made for a black repaint.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Flashwave wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Emerje wrote:Come on, Hasbro, this is what test molds are for. Between this and Apeface you're really letting the quality control slip in ways it shouldn't be possible.

Emerje

What was the big slipup with Apeface?

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With Apeface, the shield/rear wing is fragile clear plastic, and the fit for the Jet mode is snug. Plus, with the way it wraps around the cockpit, its next to impossible to rock it loose, and more than a few reports have come in on that peg breaking off in Apeface's back

Ah, I see. Good to know. I take it it's hard plastic then?

It's clear plastic painted pink. No idea why they would choose to do it that way. First the peg is super long and the clear plastic is brittle so it just snaps without warning, you can't even feel it snap when it happens. They should have run a pin through it like they occasionally do on high stress parts.
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You had already said it was painted clear plastic. I was asking for confirmation that it was hard clear plastic rather than soft clear plastic. As for why they did it that way, maybe they wanted a rear viewport. Maybe it was easier to put that part on the clear plastic sprue rather than the pink plastic sprue.

Emerje wrote:The other problem is the peg isn't even necessary for alt modes since it's also secured by going over the cockpit (the real one for the Titan Master in the back), the peg is only necessary for using as a shield and could have been half as long.
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Mine broke, but there's enough peg left to still function as a shield and honestly looks better closer to the arm.

I have to wonder if maybe they thought that lengthening the peg would make it less likely to break. If so, whoops!

Also, according to TFWiki you actually can sit the Titan Master in the forward cockpit

With that Trailbreaker definitely not being the Thrilling 30-esque one seen in the Earthrise packaging, I guess we can consider the T30 one showing up on said packaging to be a return of the wonderfully bizarre phenomenon that is the "Archive Oops".

Sabrblade wrote:With that Trailbreaker definitely not being the Thrilling 30-esque one seen in the Earthrise packaging, I guess we can consider the T30 one showing up on said packaging to be a return of the wonderfully bizarre phenomenon that is the "Archive Oops".

Another, more subtle case of it is Thrust and Ramjet being illustrated based on the 1985 toys.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You had already said it was painted clear plastic. I was asking for confirmation that it was hard clear plastic rather than soft clear plastic. As for why they did it that way, maybe they wanted a rear viewport. Maybe it was easier to put that part on the clear plastic sprue rather than the pink plastic sprue.

Redundancy for the sake of clarity. It's rigid plastic, soft plastic would have probably started to show signs of stress before breaking. I don't have him handy but I'm pretty sure the peg is also hollow down the middle.

Emerje

i would have thought the allicons be more hunched over in beast mode

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:*snip*

Sunstreaker on the other hand... The CW version has completely the wrong robot mode because it's a headswap recolor of Breakdown, and the Universe toy really is a mold intended as Sideswipe and redecoed as Sunstreaker.

Ironically, I've always thought Sunstreaker wore the Universe mold better than Sideswipe.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:*compares Sunstreaker to Wheeljack, and even to Runamuck*

Nope, I don't see the whole retool thing either like Tuned. Not a single part in common. Look for yourselves.

I guess it's time for me to eat my semi-serious prediction that Sunstreaker would use the battlecharger mold.

I've heard a lot about the battlechargers sharing a mold with Cliffjumper so they would be minibot sized, why is that? I always thought they were supposed to be the size of the Autobot cars. Were they ever that small?

@Ultra_Markus It probably can be.

Tuned Agent wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:*snip*

Sunstreaker on the other hand... The CW version has completely the wrong robot mode because it's a headswap recolor of Breakdown, and the Universe toy really is a mold intended as Sideswipe and redecoed as Sunstreaker.

Ironically, I've always thought Sunstreaker wore the Universe mold better than Sideswipe.

I think 'Swipe and Alert wore it better because the transformation layout is more along their lines. But do you know who think would frankly wear it better than any of them (especially with some retooling to the arms to mount the doors in a different way)?

Lightfoot/Getaway.

Tigerhawk7109 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:*compares Sunstreaker to Wheeljack, and even to Runamuck*

Nope, I don't see the whole retool thing either like Tuned. Not a single part in common. Look for yourselves.

Sunny seems to be a very extensive retool of Wheeljack. Also, am I the only person who thinks Runamuck is a reworking of Cliffjumper?

He’s not. Runamucks torso(fake car hood chest) and up is the bottom of his car. You rotate him by the waist and fold athe back of the car to the back. His arms are the side of the car. And Sunstreake is not a retool of wheeljack. His arms fold similar but they’re not the same, Sunstreake doesn’t have wheels behind his forearms. Theyre behind the biceps.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I think there might be some shared inner parts, but it's a Blurr-Chromedome situation if so

No shared parts. Just similar engineering, mainly the folding of the legs and similar in the arms. Front of sunstreakers biceps are the top of the rear of the car where as with wheeljack the front of his biceps are the bottom of the car. Transform similar but not the same

Randomhero wrote:

Tigerhawk7109 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:*compares Sunstreaker to Wheeljack, and even to Runamuck*

Nope, I don't see the whole retool thing either like Tuned. Not a single part in common. Look for yourselves.

Sunny seems to be a very extensive retool of Wheeljack. Also, am I the only person who thinks Runamuck is a reworking of Cliffjumper?

He’s not. Runamucks torso(fake car hood chest) and up is the bottom of his car. You rotate him by the waist and fold athe back of the car to the back. His arms are the side of the car. And Sunstreake is not a retool of wheeljack. His arms fold similar but they’re not the same, Sunstreake doesn’t have wheels behind his forearms. Theyre behind the biceps.

I think it's still possible they share parts. I mean, look at Titans Return Chromedome and Blurr. Or Scourge and Highbrow. The hips and the inner shoulders could be recycled.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Tigerhawk7109 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:*compares Sunstreaker to Wheeljack, and even to Runamuck*

Nope, I don't see the whole retool thing either like Tuned. Not a single part in common. Look for yourselves.

Sunny seems to be a very extensive retool of Wheeljack. Also, am I the only person who thinks Runamuck is a reworking of Cliffjumper?

He’s not. Runamucks torso(fake car hood chest) and up is the bottom of his car. You rotate him by the waist and fold athe back of the car to the back. His arms are the side of the car. And Sunstreake is not a retool of wheeljack. His arms fold similar but they’re not the same, Sunstreake doesn’t have wheels behind his forearms. Theyre behind the biceps.

I think it's still possible they share parts. I mean, look at Titans Return Chromedome and Blurr. Or Scourge and Highbrow.

You can see those shared parts on those figures. Thighs hands and knees for both those examples. On this? You can see there’s no shared parts. They’re two different figures with similar engineering. I thought there was in the crotch and thighs but I have wheeljack in front of me and I’m looking at the sunstreaker photos, there’s nothing there.

Tuned Agent wrote:I've heard a lot about the battlechargers sharing a mold with Cliffjumper so they would be minibot sized, why is that? I always thought they were supposed to be the size of the Autobot cars. Were they ever that small?

Probably because the original toys are pretty small, but then again the regular Autobot cars were pretty small, too.


(No idea who's photo this is but it's good for comparison.)

Emerje

Randomhero wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I think it's still possible they share parts. I mean, look at Titans Return Chromedome and Blurr. Or Scourge and Highbrow.

You can see those shared parts on those figures. Thighs hands and knees for both those examples. On this? You can see there’s no shared parts. They’re two different figures with similar engineering. I thought there was in the crotch and thighs but I have wheeljack in front of me and I’m looking at the sunstreaker photos, there’s nothing there.

What about the hips? Looking at photos, those might be the same. And there's no telling with the inner shoulder.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I think it's still possible they share parts. I mean, look at Titans Return Chromedome and Blurr. Or Scourge and Highbrow.

You can see those shared parts on those figures. Thighs hands and knees for both those examples. On this? You can see there’s no shared parts. They’re two different figures with similar engineering. I thought there was in the crotch and thighs but I have wheeljack in front of me and I’m looking at the sunstreaker photos, there’s nothing there.

What about the hips? Looking at photos, those might be the same. And there's no telling with the inner shoulder.

I checked both. They are different, he’s a new mold. Similar engineering in a couple spots but he’s a brand new mold.

Randomhero wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I think it's still possible they share parts. I mean, look at Titans Return Chromedome and Blurr. Or Scourge and Highbrow.

You can see those shared parts on those figures. Thighs hands and knees for both those examples. On this? You can see there’s no shared parts. They’re two different figures with similar engineering. I thought there was in the crotch and thighs but I have wheeljack in front of me and I’m looking at the sunstreaker photos, there’s nothing there.

What about the hips? Looking at photos, those might be the same. And there's no telling with the inner shoulder.

I checked both. They are different, he’s a new mold. Similar engineering in a couple spots but he’s a brand new mold.

On a tangent, did anyone notice he's missing his spoiler?