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Posted: **Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:13 pm**

If you all could please stop with the off-topic arguing and telling people how they should go about their lives that'd be nice.

Posted: **Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:21 pm**

Tuned Agent wrote:Another great list (though I would change one thing). I've never experienced most of these figures, but I've heard good things about them (I really should hunt down that Animated cybertronian Ratchet). Here's my top 5 from the Ratchets in my collection.

5. DotM cyberverse Ratchet: This is a fun little figure, and he's got pretty good arm articulation for a legion, complete with ball-joined elbows.

4. Desert Tracker Ratchet (RotF voyager): This Ratchet is one hulking, chunky boy. While his articulation is a bit limited, he has a great feel to him, and his alt mode scales well with deluxe cars.

3. Animated deluxe Ratchet: This is where the list gets really good. While I've never handled the cybertronian version, the regular earth version is a fine figure in it's own right. Solid, highly accurate, well articulated and, most importantly, fun. That's a recipe for a very good figure.

2. Siege Ratchet: I really like what they did with the retooling, and I actually like the molding used for Ratchet more than Ironhide (even if I think the mold works better as Ironhide, if that makes any sense). What they did with his shoulders in particular was really clever, as they go from looking one way in alt mode to looking entirely different in robot mode, just by rotating the position of the lightbar. He also scales perfectly with other figures. His accessories are great. The only thing that keeps him out of the top spot (or at least sharing it with #1) is the deco, which I find kinda lackluster.

1. DotM deluxe Ratchet: This guy is so good, I don't have any desire for the SS versions. When I think of figures that are fun to transform, this figure is one of the first I think of. The way he incorporates so much of his alt mode into robot mode is impressive for a movie figure. He's got good articulation and lots of 5 mm compatibility. And his mechtech weapon is just icing on the cake. It's literally a machine gun with a flip out spinning buzzsaw, weapons don't get much cooler than that. He's often overlooked, but I feel he's not only one of the best figures from DotM, but one of the best Ratchet toys we've ever gotten. Very deserving of #1.

Man, I have more Ratchets than I thought...

Thanks for the list. It's rather movie heavy, am I right in assuming that's how you got into this hobby? Any reason you didn't get the Studio Series one yet or is it just too similar to the ones you already have ? Because that would be a fair point. I find the SS one to be the best yet (especially due to the spotlights in robot mode) but it is rather incremental over all compared to the DOTM one.

Posted: **Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:40 pm**

I've seen that some people are bothered by the Studio Series version's limited stock paintwork, and the fact that SS Ratchet is very much a victim of Studio Series' "Robot mode scale at all costs" directive.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:10 am**

He's completely out of scale with everything and would be a leader class by today's standards, but I do have a fondness for the good old 2007 voyager Ratchet. I should seek out the white "ambulance" version.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:13 am**

3 + 4=ewwww :SICK:

1+2+3=

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:43 am**

william-james88 wrote:
Tuned Agent wrote:Another great list (though I would change one thing). I've never experienced most of these figures, but I've heard good things about them (I really should hunt down that Animated cybertronian Ratchet). Here's my top 5 from the Ratchets in my collection.

5. DotM cyberverse Ratchet: This is a fun little figure, and he's got pretty good arm articulation for a legion, complete with ball-joined elbows.

4. Desert Tracker Ratchet (RotF voyager): This Ratchet is one hulking, chunky boy. While his articulation is a bit limited, he has a great feel to him, and his alt mode scales well with deluxe cars.

3. Animated deluxe Ratchet: This is where the list gets really good. While I've never handled the cybertronian version, the regular earth version is a fine figure in it's own right. Solid, highly accurate, well articulated and, most importantly, fun. That's a recipe for a very good figure.

2. Siege Ratchet: I really like what they did with the retooling, and I actually like the molding used for Ratchet more than Ironhide (even if I think the mold works better as Ironhide, if that makes any sense). What they did with his shoulders in particular was really clever, as they go from looking one way in alt mode to looking entirely different in robot mode, just by rotating the position of the lightbar. He also scales perfectly with other figures. His accessories are great. The only thing that keeps him out of the top spot (or at least sharing it with #1) is the deco, which I find kinda lackluster.

1. DotM deluxe Ratchet: This guy is so good, I don't have any desire for the SS versions. When I think of figures that are fun to transform, this figure is one of the first I think of. The way he incorporates so much of his alt mode into robot mode is impressive for a movie figure. He's got good articulation and lots of 5 mm compatibility. And his mechtech weapon is just icing on the cake. It's literally a machine gun with a flip out spinning buzzsaw, weapons don't get much cooler than that. He's often overlooked, but I feel he's not only one of the best figures from DotM, but one of the best Ratchet toys we've ever gotten. Very deserving of #1.

Man, I have more Ratchets than I thought...

Thanks for the list. It's rather movie heavy, am I right in assuming that's how you got into this hobby? Any reason you didn't get the Studio Series one yet or is it just too similar to the ones you already have ? Because that would be a fair point. I find the SS one to be the best yet (especially due to the spotlights in robot mode) but it is rather incremental over all compared to the DOTM one.

And thank you for reading it.

You're half right with your assumption, I'd say it was the movies that made me aware of the brand, and that Animated was what got me invested. The movie-heaviness of my list is mostly due to those being the Ratchets I have in my collection. If I had more, #4 and #5 would probably get bumped off.

As for why I haven't gotten SS Ratchet, yeah, it's mostly just that I don't find it a big enough upgrade over the DotM one. SS Ratchet's proportions are slightly better and the shoulder spotlights are a great improvement, but at the same time the backpack isn't handled quite as well and he doesn't have the alt mode incorporation in his knees that the DotM version does (which I've always liked, even if it doesn't allow his knees to straighten 100%). Plus the DotM one wins in the weapon category, so I decided it wasn't worth upgrading when I was already happy with the Ratchet I have.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:33 am**

Pretty decent list, but mine is gonna be drastically different:

5) Siege Ratchet - This is a very good figure, quality and technically wise. But considering I have him, Ironhide, and Crosshairs, and Crosshairs owns the mold better, Ironhide has the best weapon, and Ratchet's main thing i liked was his wrench for Nautica, he will fall short on my list.

4) Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Ratchet - This is the edgy reboot Ratchet we needed: beast stylings, Dinobot II styled head, that drill/minigun, all on top of a great base mold! This was a figure that people remember.

3) Revenge of the Fallen Desert Tracker Ratchet - This is still my favorite movie Ratchet, that voyager mold is so big, so solid, with a good transformation and some pretty decent posing. Add the sand detailing that i enjoy plus a huge alt mode, and you have a banger of a figure

2) Cyberverse Spark Armor Ratchet - A thoroughly enjoyable little figure. What he lacks in articulation he more than makes up for with the little snowmobile. That little drone augments Ratchet so well, and then when you combine them, oh the joy, it's great! He is the better Ratchet we got last year, Cyberverse > Siege, fight me.

1) RiD2015 Ratchet - I fully agree with Cary: This is the best Ratchet toy. For one, it is a nice meaty deluxe that makes a large alt mode and blends many different Ratchets together into 1, with the Prime headsculpt crowning it out, since the Prime head sculpt is the definitive Ratchet head for me, even MTMTE/LL ended up agreeing! If it weren't for the Wrench (and Alpine Strike Drift), this would have remained my generations/MTMTE Ratchet. He is the best

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:21 am**

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:4) Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Ratchet - This is the edgy reboot Ratchet we needed: beast stylings, Dinobot II styled head, that drill/minigun, all on top of a great base mold! This was a figure that people remember.

I was wondering if this guy was going come up or not. I'm still on the fence about tracking down the Takara Go! version to add to my BH figures. The Hasbro deco just comes off as an incomplete scatter shot. Considering how strong the base mold it, this one is just a fun offshoot.

1) RiD2015 Ratchet - I fully agree with Cary: This is the best Ratchet toy. For one, it is a nice meaty deluxe that makes a large alt mode and blends many different Ratchets together into 1, with the Prime headsculpt crowning it out, since the Prime head sculpt is the definitive Ratchet head for me, even MTMTE/LL ended up agreeing! If it weren't for the Wrench (and Alpine Strike Drift), this would have remained my generations/MTMTE Ratchet. He is the best

He's a really cool beefy figure and the Hasbro deco ain't bad. I did peel the RID symbol off and add a G1 instead. I preferred his use of the mold over Strongarm. I agree, the head sculpt is perfect and if he'd been a little bit taller I would have skipped Siege completely. I've found that Siege Ratchet owned the mold over Ironhide, but Crosshairs is still on my maybe list. Favorite part of RID15 Ratchet, his guns! They even peg into his backpack in an awesome way. I like them so much I forwarded them to Siege Ratchet. Now he can put a few holes in a Con and then tighten any tricky nuts.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:27 am**

carytheone wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:4) Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Ratchet - This is the edgy reboot Ratchet we needed: beast stylings, Dinobot II styled head, that drill/minigun, all on top of a great base mold! This was a figure that people remember.
I was wondering if this guy was going come up or not. I'm still on the fence about tracking down the Takara Go! version to add to my BH figures. The Hasbro deco just comes off as an incomplete scatter shot. Considering how strong the base mold it, this one is just a fun offshoot.

1) RiD2015 Ratchet - I fully agree with Cary: This is the best Ratchet toy. For one, it is a nice meaty deluxe that makes a large alt mode and blends many different Ratchets together into 1, with the Prime headsculpt crowning it out, since the Prime head sculpt is the definitive Ratchet head for me, even MTMTE/LL ended up agreeing! If it weren't for the Wrench (and Alpine Strike Drift), this would have remained my generations/MTMTE Ratchet. He is the best
He's a really cool beefy figure and the Hasbro deco ain't bad. I did peel the RID symbol off and add a G1 instead. I preferred his use of the mold over Strongarm. I agree, the head sculpt is perfect and if he'd been a little bit taller I would have skipped Siege completely. I've found that Siege Ratchet owned the mold over Ironhide, but Crosshairs is still on my maybe list. Favorite part of RID15 Ratchet, his guns! They even peg into his backpack in an awesome way. I like them so much I forwarded them to Siege Ratchet. Now he can put a few holes in a Con and then tighten any tricky nuts.

A) You should get the Go! form, you need him in some capacity!

B) Double guns are huge! I like my ratchet with 2 guns!

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:33 am**

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Double guns are huge! I like my ratchet with 2 guns!

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:30 pm**

For now Universe Ratchet is my CHUG Ratchet of choice. TBH I find him really fun to transform and took him or Ironhide out all the time to fiddle with.

But, yeah, he's always had issues. His head has always been too low. Not everyone likes how his transformation affects his alt. mode. I still like him, though.

Still, he's on my shortlist to be replaced. I'm holding out for an Earthrise version. As nice as Siege is he's Cybertronian and not really what I want from a Neo G1 Ratchet.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:38 pm**

Gauntlet101010 wrote:For now Universe Ratchet is my CHUG Ratchet of choice. TBH I find him really fun to transform and took him or Ironhide out all the time to fiddle with.

But, yeah, he's always had complaints. His head has always been too low. Not everyone likes how his transformation affects his alt. mode. I still like him, though.

Still, he's on my shortlist to be replaced. I'm holding out for an Earthrise version. As nice as Siege is he's Cybertronian and not really what I want from a Neo G1 Ratchet.

Personally, I think the odds are pretty good that your wish will be fulfilled before the WFC trilogy is over.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:41 pm**

IMO with everything else still to do I don't know that rehashes of Ratchet and Ironhide are in the cards.

To fans of the RiD Ratchet, I think if he displaces anything on this list it should actually be the MP.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:46 pm**

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:That doesn't appear to be anywhere in the cards, though...

I think its plausible. In Earthrise or whatever the next part of this trilogy is called. I'm fine with waiting, there's plenty out there for me with new Seekers, Desturns, Alicons, AND Quintessons on the way.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:53 pm**

Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:That doesn't appear to be anywhere in the cards, though...

I think its plausible. In Earthrise or whatever the next part of this trilogy is called. I'm fine with waiting, there's plenty out there for me with new Seekers, Desturns, Alicons, AND Quintessons on the way.

Edited my past post for clarity.

IMO I wouldn't be interested in Earth-mode rehashes of Ratchet and Ironhide unless they had detachable platforms a la the originals and/or were Headmasters. And even then I don't know that it would be worth them getting the slots.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:04 pm**

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:That doesn't appear to be anywhere in the cards, though...
IMO I wouldn't be interested in Earth-mode rehashes of Ratchet and Ironhide unless they had detachable platforms a la the originals and/or were Headmasters. And even then I don't know that it would be worth them getting the slots.

If we're talking about "slots", I. don't think the Dasturns, Megatron, or Prime deserve them since the Siege versions of them are more or less Earth mode versions too. But we've gotten / are getting replacements already. Ratchet and Ironhide would have an entirely different look than their Siege versions, at least, making them more worthy of a new figure.

I mean this is just about what we'd want. If you got Siege I can definitely see why you wouldn't want it replaced already. As for me, I passed on the Siege versions.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:14 pm**

Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:That doesn't appear to be anywhere in the cards, though...
IMO I wouldn't be interested in Earth-mode rehashes of Ratchet and Ironhide unless they had detachable platforms a la the originals and/or were Headmasters. And even then I don't know that it would be worth them getting the slots.

If we're talking about "slots", I. don't think the Dasturns, Megatron, or Prime deserve them since the Siege versions of them are more or less Earth mode versions too. But we've gotten / are getting replacements already. Ratchet and Ironhide would have an entirely different look than their Siege versions, at least, making them more worthy of a new figure.

I mean this is just about what we'd want. If you got Siege I can definitely see why you wouldn't want it replaced already. As for me, I passed on the Siege versions.

I love the derp of the Nissan Vanette and would turn my Siege versions over in a heartbeat. With Hasbro and re-releasing characters it's not a matter of if, but when.

The alt mode is the only reason I'd keep MP Ratchet on my list.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:27 pm**

Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:That doesn't appear to be anywhere in the cards, though...
IMO I wouldn't be interested in Earth-mode rehashes of Ratchet and Ironhide unless they had detachable platforms a la the originals and/or were Headmasters. And even then I don't know that it would be worth them getting the slots.

If we're talking about "slots", I. don't think the Dasturns, Megatron, or Prime deserve them since the Siege versions of them are more or less Earth mode versions too. But we've gotten / are getting replacements already. Ratchet and Ironhide would have an entirely different look than their Siege versions, at least, making them more worthy of a new figure.

1. The thing about Optimus is that he not only has a more solidly Earth Mode design, he also has a trailer (which moves him to a Leader slot rather than him taking up another Voyager slot), a removable Matrix of Leadership, and a better-looking gun. He has more to him than just the Earth mode (which isn't the dramatic change with him that it is with the Seekers). I would want Earth mode rehashes of Ratchet and Ironhide to similarly offer a bit more than just being the Earth version. Like, say, replicating the original toys' battle/repair platforms (and not in the cheaty halfassed way the MPs did). And/or being Headmasters, which would be funny because of the original toys.
2. The only confirmed Earth Datsun is Smokescreen, whose SIEGE version was an exclusive that's now hard to find (and was missing the air dam and spoiler that set G1 Smokescreen's car mode apart from Prowl and Bluestreak's). So Smokes himself feels worth it to me - but I'm certainly hoping that Prowl et al don't become slot hogs.
3. I agree that ER Megatron is questionable.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I mean this is just about what we'd want. If you got Siege already I can definitely see why you wouldn't want it replaced already. As for me, I passed on the Siege versions.

I got the SIEGE versions because using the Cybertronian vehicle mode they got interchangeably with Earth vehicles doesn't bug me (especially since, while alien, their van modes look much more like the Onebox than the Universe version's SUV altmode has any prayer of doing), and they were far better figures to me than the previous retail CHUG version. It sure beat trying to get the BotCon exclusive Tow Line retools.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:49 pm**

We're getting WAY off topic discussing the merits of the other Siege replacements.

I don't see why a Siege presence prevents new moulds in Earthrise / the remaining trilogy at all at this point. Your arguments against all seem arbitrary. I'll continue to wait for a voyager Earth mode Ratchet before replacing Universe Ratchet and Henkei Ironhide.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:21 pm**

Well, I... really can't disagree with this list.

Darn it, William! Gimme something to work with! :-x

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:58 am**

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Well, I... really can't disagree with this list.

Darn it, William! Gimme something to work with!

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:17 am**

The BH one absolutely need paint on his head,the green version has the SAAAME problem and a backpack with the same color.The drill make him a worker in a mine.

I don't consider the one of 2015 noteworthy.

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