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Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:47 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Sentinel_Primal wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:I.D.W comics

Which figure for Legacy are from IDW?

Jyaxus?

I don't think he ever was in the G1 cartoon.

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Also, yeah, Universe. But most Universe toys that came from "another universe" were repaint/retools of already released older toys.

Jhiaxus is from G2 originally.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:56 pm**

sol magnus wrote:Jhiaxus is from G2 originally.

Interesting.

Is that a separate universe from G1?

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:59 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Jhiaxus is from G2 originally.

Interesting.

Is that a separate universe from G1?

Nope.

Well, yes and no. The G2 series took place continuity-wise after Marvel G1, but IDW later did Regeneration One, all written by Simon Furman (and dealt partially with multiversal issues).

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:02 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Jhiaxus is from G2 originally.

Interesting.

Is that a separate universe from G1?

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:05 pm**

sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Jhiaxus is from G2 originally.

Interesting.

Is that a separate universe from G1?

Nope.

Well, yes and no. The G2 series took place continuity-wise after Marvel G1, but IDW later did Regeneration One, all written by Simon Furman (and dealt partially with multiversal issues).

Well, Marvel G1 is pretty different from Cartoon G1. So I can consider them separate universes.
Even the Japanese G1 continuity could be separated.

Now, if only there could be a GOOD Legacy cartoon that show all those universes clash. 50 episodes, 25 minutes each. :POPCORN:

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:11 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Jhiaxus is from G2 originally.

Interesting.

Is that a separate universe from G1?

Nope.

Well, yes and no. The G2 series took place continuity-wise after Marvel G1, but IDW later did Regeneration One, all written by Simon Furman (and dealt partially with multiversal issues).

Well, Marvel G1 is pretty different from Cartoon G1. So I can consider them separate universes.
Even the Japanese G1 continuity could be separated.

Now, if only there could be a GOOD Legacy cartoon that show all those universes clash. 50 episodes, 25 minutes each.

Yeah, but this isn't a difference between cartoon and comic. This was the comic book version, continued as G2. Then, much much later, Regeneration one is ALSO the continuation of the comic book version wiping out everything that happened in G2. G2 is like a splinter timeline.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:12 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Jhiaxus is from G2 originally.

Interesting.

Is that a separate universe from G1?

Nope.

Well, yes and no. The G2 series took place continuity-wise after Marvel G1, but IDW later did Regeneration One, all written by Simon Furman (and dealt partially with multiversal issues).

Well, Marvel G1 is pretty different from Cartoon G1. So I can consider them separate universes.
Even the Japanese G1 continuity could be separated.

Now, if only there could be a GOOD Legacy cartoon that show all those universes clash. 50 episodes, 25 minutes each.

Best Hasbro can offer is 8 episodes of standing around and half an episode of plot that makes less sense than Bayverse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:27 pm**

o.supreme wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Everything that range from "meh" to "maybe" can wait.

Unfortunately that pretty much sums up my whole feelings about the mainline Legacy from what we know, and some rumors. I have none on my for sure want/pre order list. I would like to know more about the Energon Monsters talked about early on , whether they will continue the stylings of the weaponizers/modulators/fossilizers or not.

Other than that, if a figure actually "wows" me that I see in person I'll get it, if not, then I pretty much have zero plans for Legacy mainline at this time.

Completely understand...
Other than SS86, ER was closest to making me feel excited about TF since CW & UW...
But really ER, Kingdom, and now Legacy-- it's not excitement about the line, it's excitement about individual figures.
And I'm betting that's how the next 2-3 years and the end of my collecting days finish-out.

Even though I'm not really excited about Legacy, I am glad that the mainline is branching-out a little bit.
It will be interesting to see how this line does, who ends up being a shelf-warmer, etc.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:34 pm**

sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Jhiaxus is from G2 originally.

Interesting.

Is that a separate universe from G1?

Nope.

Well, yes and no. The G2 series took place continuity-wise after Marvel G1, but IDW later did Regeneration One, all written by Simon Furman (and dealt partially with multiversal issues).

Well, Marvel G1 is pretty different from Cartoon G1. So I can consider them separate universes.
Even the Japanese G1 continuity could be separated.

Now, if only there could be a GOOD Legacy cartoon that show all those universes clash. 50 episodes, 25 minutes each.

Yeah, but this isn't a difference between cartoon and comic. This was the comic book version, continued as G2. Then, much much later, Regeneration one is ALSO the continuation of the comic book version wiping out everything that happened in G2. G2 is like a splinter timeline.

But a different Jhiaxus with the same design as G2 Jhiaxus showed up in Regeneration One too.

And it's more like Regeneration One is the splinter timeline since it came second and ended with Rodimus Prime cutting itself off from all other timelines and universes to keep the world of RG1 isolated and split off from all other worlds.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:40 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Jhiaxus is from G2 originally.

Interesting.

Is that a separate universe from G1?

Nope.

Well, yes and no. The G2 series took place continuity-wise after Marvel G1, but IDW later did Regeneration One, all written by Simon Furman (and dealt partially with multiversal issues).

Well, Marvel G1 is pretty different from Cartoon G1. So I can consider them separate universes.
Even the Japanese G1 continuity could be separated.

Now, if only there could be a GOOD Legacy cartoon that show all those universes clash. 50 episodes, 25 minutes each.

Yeah, but this isn't a difference between cartoon and comic. This was the comic book version, continued as G2. Then, much much later, Regeneration one is ALSO the continuation of the comic book version wiping out everything that happened in G2. G2 is like a splinter timeline.
But a different Jhiaxus with the same design as G2 Jhiaxus showed up in Regeneration One too.

And it's more like Regeneration One is the splinter timeline since it came second and ended with Rodimus Prime cutting itself off from all other timelines and universes to keep the world of RG1 isolated and split off from all other worlds.

Okay, fair enough. I was giving RG1 preference due to it's recency.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:45 pm**

Rodimus Prime wrote:So far I'm not impressed with the selection in Legacy (I'm sure that will improve) but I gotta say the packaging is well done.

Yeah, packaging is pretty awesome, but this might be the line I get the least of stuff.

I think what I will get is:

Blaster (if I can't find the kingdom version first)
Iguanus
Skullgrin
Dragstrip
Kickback
Wildrider
Tarantulus
Cracnkcase
Deadend
Breakdown
Jihaxus
BW Inferno
Blitzwing
BW TM2 Megatron
Motormaster

The ones I might get are the energon monsters, Elita 1 and Knockout

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:04 pm**

sol magnus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Jhiaxus is from G2 originally.

Interesting.

Is that a separate universe from G1?

Nope.

Well, yes and no. The G2 series took place continuity-wise after Marvel G1, but IDW later did Regeneration One, all written by Simon Furman (and dealt partially with multiversal issues).

Well, Marvel G1 is pretty different from Cartoon G1. So I can consider them separate universes.
Even the Japanese G1 continuity could be separated.

Now, if only there could be a GOOD Legacy cartoon that show all those universes clash. 50 episodes, 25 minutes each.

Yeah, but this isn't a difference between cartoon and comic. This was the comic book version, continued as G2. Then, much much later, Regeneration one is ALSO the continuation of the comic book version wiping out everything that happened in G2. G2 is like a splinter timeline.
But a different Jhiaxus with the same design as G2 Jhiaxus showed up in Regeneration One too.

And it's more like Regeneration One is the splinter timeline since it came second and ended with Rodimus Prime cutting itself off from all other timelines and universes to keep the world of RG1 isolated and split off from all other worlds.

Okay, fair enough. I was giving RG1 preference due to it's recency.

You guys really make things too complicated :lol:

Still, makes you wonder how Hasbro will market him. Laser Optimus Prime debuted during G2 and the Legacy one is marked as "G2 Universe Laser Optimus Prime" on Pulse while the box left the "G2 Universe" bit out. Mind you, Generation 2 not a true universe, but more of an evolution of the original toy line and Marvel Comics. A true G2 cartoon does not exist.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:29 pm**

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Jhiaxus is from G2 originally.

Interesting.

Is that a separate universe from G1?

Nope.

Well, yes and no. The G2 series took place continuity-wise after Marvel G1, but IDW later did Regeneration One, all written by Simon Furman (and dealt partially with multiversal issues).

Well, Marvel G1 is pretty different from Cartoon G1. So I can consider them separate universes.
Even the Japanese G1 continuity could be separated.

Now, if only there could be a GOOD Legacy cartoon that show all those universes clash. 50 episodes, 25 minutes each.

Yeah, but this isn't a difference between cartoon and comic. This was the comic book version, continued as G2. Then, much much later, Regeneration one is ALSO the continuation of the comic book version wiping out everything that happened in G2. G2 is like a splinter timeline.
But a different Jhiaxus with the same design as G2 Jhiaxus showed up in Regeneration One too.

And it's more like Regeneration One is the splinter timeline since it came second and ended with Rodimus Prime cutting itself off from all other timelines and universes to keep the world of RG1 isolated and split off from all other worlds.

Okay, fair enough. I was giving RG1 preference due to it's recency.

You guys really make things too complicated

Still, makes you wonder how Hasbro will market him. Laser Optimus Prime debuted during G2 and the Legacy one is marked as "G2 Universe Laser Optimus Prime" on Pulse while the box left the "G2 Universe" bit out. Mind you, Generation 2 not a true universe, but more of an evolution of the original toy line and Marvel Comics. A true G2 cartoon does not exist.

Wouldn’t that be fun, though? A G1 sequel series that starts up after the events of “The Rebirth?” Cybertron was restored to its former glory, but the Deceptions are still out there somewhere. There are still plenty of characters to explore beyond the standard 1984 - 1987 crew. MOTU Revelations was pretty well done as a successor to the original Filmatiom cartoon. Let’s see Transformers do that, but with a mostly “new” cast.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:55 pm**

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
sol magnus wrote:Jhiaxus is from G2 originally.

Interesting.

Is that a separate universe from G1?

Nope.

Well, yes and no. The G2 series took place continuity-wise after Marvel G1, but IDW later did Regeneration One, all written by Simon Furman (and dealt partially with multiversal issues).

Well, Marvel G1 is pretty different from Cartoon G1. So I can consider them separate universes.
Even the Japanese G1 continuity could be separated.

Now, if only there could be a GOOD Legacy cartoon that show all those universes clash. 50 episodes, 25 minutes each.

Yeah, but this isn't a difference between cartoon and comic. This was the comic book version, continued as G2. Then, much much later, Regeneration one is ALSO the continuation of the comic book version wiping out everything that happened in G2. G2 is like a splinter timeline.
But a different Jhiaxus with the same design as G2 Jhiaxus showed up in Regeneration One too.

And it's more like Regeneration One is the splinter timeline since it came second and ended with Rodimus Prime cutting itself off from all other timelines and universes to keep the world of RG1 isolated and split off from all other worlds.

Okay, fair enough. I was giving RG1 preference due to it's recency.

You guys really make things too complicated

Still, makes you wonder how Hasbro will market him. Laser Optimus Prime debuted during G2 and the Legacy one is marked as "G2 Universe Laser Optimus Prime" on Pulse while the box left the "G2 Universe" bit out. Mind you, Generation 2 not a true universe, but more of an evolution of the original toy line and Marvel Comics. A true G2 cartoon does not exist.

Wouldn’t that be fun, though? A G1 sequel series that starts up after the events of “The Rebirth?” Cybertron was restored to its former glory, but the Deceptions are still out there somewhere. There are still plenty of characters to explore beyond the standard 1984 - 1987 crew. MOTU Revelations was pretty well done as a successor to the original Filmatiom cartoon. Let’s see Transformers do that, but with a mostly “new” cast.

I've wanted this for ages. They could use this story to eventually show how the Beast Wars era came into being. We've both really had a true origin story for it yet; usually it's just been the Maximals and Predacons simply being "there", alongside the existing TFs. I would love to see how things developed between G1 and BW (moving onto Car Robots, and integrating that continuity too) which could be s four story ark of BW, BW2, BWN and Car Robots (all "timey-whimey"), some time after The Rebirth (and maybe they got it "wrong" and the REAL "Rebirth" is the beast era?). Of course, I'd be happy for that conclusion to come much later in the Rebirth story, with Galvatron's adventures aboard Scorponok, etc being first and foremost.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:05 pm**

Wolfman Jake wrote:Wouldn’t that be fun, though? A G1 sequel series that starts up after the events of “The Rebirth?” Cybertron was restored to its former glory, but the Deceptions are still out there somewhere. There are still plenty of characters to explore beyond the standard 1984 - 1987 crew. MOTU Revelations was pretty well done as a successor to the original Filmation cartoon. Let’s see Transformers do that, but with a mostly “new” cast.

I've wanted a genuine sequel to the Marvel/Sunbow original animated series for years, but doubt it will ever happen. I've adopted Headmasters-Victory as my "official" seasons 4-6.

As for MOTU Revelation (no "S")---sorry, as a Bible reader, that's just a pet peeve of mine, I hear and see it incorrectly often...), Kevin Smith falsely advertised it as something it wasn't. The animation looked amazing, but the story was pure garbage.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:17 pm**

I plan on getting all of wave one, but I don't intend to pay full price since that's the wave that tends to be the best stocked and most likely to get reduced on Amazon. Of course there's also the chance that Walmart and Target wont be selling at MSRP in the first place as they tend not to.

Emerje

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:59 pm**

o.supreme wrote:As for MOTU Revelation , Kevin Smith falsely advertised it as something it wasn't. The animation looked amazing, but the story was pure garbage.

Luckily, that second half did turn things around and as a whole, that series does focus on He-Man. I, personally, no longer feel annoyed by it. And it is a much better show than any of the Netflix WFC trilogy.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:04 pm**

Bulkhead is out in France, so French reviewer TFToybox got a nice first crack at the toy. Below are some fun images he took which show Bulkhead's compatibility with minicons and fossilisers. We also see the very first shot of Bulkhead in truck mode without the tarp. You can check out the full review below. I tend to end news sightings like this saying when this toy should be coming to America, but at this point it can be anytime between tomorrow and June. We know these toys are ready for distribution, we'll see when they come to American shores.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:57 pm**

william-james88 wrote:Luckily, that second half did turn things around and as a whole, that series does focus on He-Man. I, personally, no longer feel annoyed by it. And it is a much better show than any of the Netflix WFC trilogy.

We can agree to disagree. I found many aspects of the second part even more offensive than the first. The makers of WFC seemed to at least have genuinely wanted to tell a good story, but we're limited by Hasbro in budget, which only allowed for limited acting and writing talent, as well as animation. MOTU Revelation was a much bigger budget, and KS used it to smear feces on everything that was MOTU.

WFC isn't great by any means, but I don't have a visceral reaction to it, as I do for MOTU R, which is sad. MOTU 2002 is still the best and I'm glad I can go back and watch it whenever I want.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:42 pm**

Japan did make their own G2 (which they called "G-2") future of the cartoon, told in manga and story page form.

We also got a comic version of G2 set after The Rebirth in the Wings Universe, which led into a 2-part Machine Wars-themed "finale" of sorts that in turn set things up for the Beast Era.

And as for the original Beast Era timeline from back in the day, the complete timeline of everything from the very end of the Great War all the way up to when Megatron stole the Golden Disk (and much more) can be found and read here (recently written and completed by yours truly).

william-james88 wrote:

Like night and day.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:14 pm**

o.supreme wrote:WFC isn't great by any means, but I don't have a visceral reaction to it, as I do for MOTU R, which is sad. MOTU 2002 is still the best and I'm glad I can go back and watch it whenever I want.

That's the best attitude to have.

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:37 pm**

I honestly think this looks really good, but I still gotta agree it's a lot more jock- and chad-like than the original Prime Bulkhead. The truck mode does look very beefy and military like Animated Bulkhead so I'm pretty sold already on the alt mode alone - as in, I'm gonna see what retools are planned - because the robot mode ain't bad in my opinion. Just doesn't super feel like Bulkhead. Movie Hound is something I can def see being an easy option considering the "worlds collide" theme of Legacy, but I'm hoping for something Decepticon-y >:)

Unrelated but while a Scourge or Toxitron retool/redeco of Laser OP is far more logical, is it wrong that I can also see a potential Clench/Colossus retool if they made the semi truck chunks face forward instead of up? Along with the obvious head and maybe even a chest retooling!

Posted: **Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:49 pm**

MOTU 2002 was a great remake, but MOTU Revelations was a spectacular sequel to the original series, which is what it was billed as.

The Netflix WFC series was so bad that I was embarrassed to watch Earthrise in front of my wife. It had good moments, but there were problems there unrelated to the budget.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:10 am**

Dr. Caelus wrote:MOTU 2002 was a great remake, but MOTU Revelations was a spectacular sequel to the original series, which is what it was billed as.

I quite liked Revelation too. It's certainly better than the insipid drivel fanfiction "Toyguru" wrote for the MOTU: Classics line. 200X was the best, though, I'll agree.

I think MOTU: Revelation suffers the same fate as recent franchise revivals, like The Last Jedi, where the critics love it, but a very vocal portion of the fanbase hate it.

The Netflix War for Cybertron series was better than a LOT of Transformers media, but nowhere near the best. It's middling, but was a breath of fresh air after the Prime Wars Trilogy failed to fill the gap of good Transformers storytelling after Transformers Prime wrapped up.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:31 am**

Wolfman Jake wrote:I think MOTU: Revelation suffers the same fate as recent franchise revivals, like The Last Jedi, where the critics love it, but a very vocal portion of the fanbase hate it.

I remember the same visceral hate toward the Star Wars Prequels trilogy. Now, two decades later they are remembered with fondness and nostalgia. Maybe it will be the same for MOTU Revelations and the Star Wars Sequels trilogy in 20 years. :-?

BTW, that Bulkhead ain't that bad. But I'll be sure to not buy it at Canadian Toys R Us because he'll be most likely 60$CAN by the time he'll comes out. NO, REALLY. I'll preorder it at Amazon.ca.

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