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Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:54 pm
by Sowndwave76
I tend to agree with osupreme and anyone else who still sees the value of G1.
"Old fans", in my mind entails a couple things:
Nostalgia, which in and of itself can have a powerful pull, as well as the aspect of loyalty over a good portion of time.
Both are substantial in the realm of consumerism.

I'm not saying TF shouldn't or can't "move on" in some ways.
But from a profit-seeking company's point of view, abandoning G1 all-together is most likely a bit pernicious, and Hastak knows this. Which is also why I believe (although, yeah, I still want confirmation) the rumor that the new line will include a substantial portion of G1.
To say the OG's are holding TF back is pretty myopic, at least in terms of toys; G1 will be salient to this franchise for a long, long time.
It wasn't that long ago that I thought all young kids still play with toys, and action figures must be in that mix. But talking about changing with the times, a kid's proclivity for electronics, sports, and even musical endeavors being > toys at an even earlier age is already becoming aphorism.
This isn't to suggest that absolutely no kids play with action figure-type toys.
However, I believe the gap between kid and adult/collector consumer group sales percentages is smaller overall than we think. At least outside of the Cyberverse line.
Going back to my initial point, there were more kids than adults wanting the Target exclusive seeker 2-pack? More kids than adults were excited about Rodimus Prime? Or Cyclonus? Or SS86 Jazz? Or Mindwipe?
How many 10 year olds are thinking, "Bro, I hope I don't turn 12 before all 3 of the other leader class Dinobots are released!".
Then consider the Masterpiece line... A whole line obviously for adult collectors, with somewhere around 40+ of those figures being G1 characters.
Not only are the SG, Selects, Studio Series lines more for adults, they all are what they are because of the hegemony of G1 and the ardor of its "old fans".
I understand how and why collectors would be tired of it, but throwing it into the abyss is actually going to be inimical to how much TF are able to expand in the foreseeable future.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:55 pm
by ZeroWolf
Sowndwave76 wrote:I tend to agree with osupreme and anyone else who still sees the value of G1.
"Old fans", in my mind entails a couple things:
Nostalgia, which in and of itself can have a powerful pull, as well as the aspect of loyalty over a good portion of time.
Both are substantial in the realm of consumerism.

I'm not saying TF shouldn't or can't "move on" in some ways.
But from a profit-seeking company's point of view, abandoning G1 all-together is most likely a bit pernicious, and Hastak knows this. Which is also why I believe (although, yeah, I still want confirmation) the rumor that the new line will include a substantial portion of G1.
To say the OG's are holding TF back is pretty myopic, at least in terms of toys; G1 will be salient to this franchise for a long, long time.
It wasn't that long ago that I thought all young kids still play with toys, and action figures must be in that mix. But talking about changing with the times, a kid's proclivity for electronics, sports, and even musical endeavors being > toys at an even earlier age is already becoming aphorism.
This isn't to suggest that absolutely no kids play with action figure-type toys.
However, I believe the gap between kid and adult/collector consumer group sales percentages is smaller overall than we think. At least outside of the Cyberverse line.
Going back to my initial point, there were more kids than adults wanting the Target exclusive seeker 2-pack? More kids than adults were excited about Rodimus Prime? Or Cyclonus? Or SS86 Jazz? Or Mindwipe?
How many 10 year olds are thinking, "Bro, I hope I don't turn 12 before all 3 of the other leader class Dinobots are released!".
Then consider the Masterpiece line... A whole line obviously for adult collectors, with somewhere around 40+ of those figures being G1 characters.
Not only are the SG, Selects, Studio Series lines more for adults, they all are what they are because of the hegemony of G1 and the ardor of its "old fans".
I understand how and why collectors would be tired of it, but throwing it into the abyss is actually going to be inimical to how much TF are able to expand in the foreseeable future.

Hasbro themselves said that collectors are 30% of their market.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:24 pm
by Gauntlet101010
A kid might want a toy based on G1 since a lot of media has been G1 focused.

I haven't been into the show since Prime, but the Cyberverse designs seem very G1 inspired. Maybe having the exact same design doesn't matter to kids as much as having a cool toy based on a character they like does.

Hot Rod's in Cyberverse, so maybe that appeal transfers to a G1 inspired Rodimus Prime. I know I would have been fine with any Batman toy when I was a kid and not one slavishly based on just one of the movies.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:37 pm
by Nuclearxpotato
Gauntlet101010 wrote:A kid might want a toy based on G1 since a lot of media has been G1 focused.


Or kids just get what they think is cool. Any fan that's been around since their childhood can name at least one toy-only character (or character they never saw the media of) that was one of their favourite toys and want's a modern version. I got 07 Payload and he's still one of my favourites despite being objectively terrible. People loved Spinister because he was the toy they got the same goes for the Throttlebots.

A kid will want what's cool to them, that's why Beast Wars succeeded: kids didn't give two flying f*cks that it was a G1 sequel, they wanted a T-Rex that was also the bad guy and could projectile vomit water.

Personally I'm burning out on G1. My first exposure to Transformers was right before Classics came in, I saw Minicons, firetruck Primes, and beastformers... which are all rarities now (in fact, I think all Primes have been Semis since). Kingdom added some MUCH MUCH needed variety and Hasbro has likely realised that (especially if the Legacy leaks are true).

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:35 pm
by Gauntlet101010
Sure a kid will want what's cool. But they not recognize a Megatron that's too different AS Megatron.

Not saying that there shouldn't be new things (or that I'm opposed to it at all), just saying that consistent character designs can help a brand too.

Edit:
I was a kid when G1 came out and I remember when it was post-movie and all-new everything and it kinda sucked. I was over the moon when Powermaster Prime came out - FINALLY a guy I had always wanted was available to buy! I remembered the Classic Pretenders and thinking it was a genius move since those were characters we might actually want instead of nobodies. Sure there were cool designs at that time and I'd get the odd one, but I wanted characters I had connected to.

So I relate those feelings to now. Hasbro's gone overboard, yes. But I get it. It makes sense to have a core cast with a recognizable look. So, even if a kid connects to one version of Starscream another version can still scratch that itch. I really wonder what a kid makes of the Kingdom line.

But, even while saying that, Hasbro's gone way too far with it. I definitely wouldn't mind them mining their character library.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:32 pm
by D-Maximal_Primal
With regards to Star Saber, My fictional introduction to him was IDW. It wasn't until after Remain in Light that I read up on him from his prior fictional appearances, and despite what he did to Defensor, I had no problem with him and liked his IDW design, I think it was better than the cartoon. And then Flame toys took that design and gave it a Victory Leo and proved that design can go balls out and look amazing in toy form.

For Haslab, I think last year if i remember right, Sentinel was still running when Razor Crest was announced, and Razor Crest was still running as the D&D campaign started. I backed both Sentinel and Razor Crest, and both killed enough to add a 4th stretch goal despite there only being plans for 3 originally. I don't think we will have much a problem with the Victory Haslab if it looks good and is liked, last year proved campaigns can literally run on top of one another and all get funded easily.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:05 pm
by Emerje
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:They also could have gone with a certainty like Ginrai/Powermaster Prime. They know a Prime would sell, whatever they charged.

Which is exactly why they'll never do Optimus as a crowdfund, he'll sell perfectly fine at any price no matter what the gimmick. We should have learned that when the self transforming Optimus Prime sold out three times at $700 within a couple days of being announced. Imagine how many they would have sold if they were made to order and people had a month and a half to prepare. But that wasn't the goal, that's why it wasn't a HasLab project, they sold as many as they wanted to and in short time. If they want to do a massive Powermaster OP they can sell at Commander class, Titan Class, or even its own class at retail, he's the one character that retailers would make shelf space for at any price point.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:He-Man ran foul of clinging onto the old fanbase at the cost of new one. This is why MOTU went from one of the biggest brand names of it's day, to being referred to as "an 80's property", as a throwback term. It has never regained the prominence it had and likely never will.

Not really. The first time they tried something new, the live action movie, it was a box office flop so bad the franchise couldn't recover. The second time they tried to do something new it was New Adventures, a colossal failure that barely lasted a year. When they rebooted the series with 200X going back to its roots it was a huge success killed by Mattel's own failure at not getting the figures people wanted into stores, filling pegs with nonsense repaints and then getting the cartoon cancelled because the toys weren't making money. That could have happened to any series (and did happen when Mattel couldn't sell DC Young Justice figures properly and got that TV series cancelled as well. Subsequent 200X lines immediately following the cancellation prove that future toys would have sold if Mattel had handled them properly. And now we're back to two new MOTU series that will likely do well if the Revelations toys are anything to go by (sold out quickly at my local Walmarts and Target, if I hadn't seen them myself I never would have believed they were there).

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:No one still pines for Batman to look like he did in the 40's, after all.

1940s Batman isn't that much different from modern Batman, just with pink gloves and a gun, really no different from comparing G1 Prime to any other semi truck Prime.

o.supreme wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:cutting off the head, as moving forward with the times. Beast Wars was effectively that take and it paid off.

Except it really didn't. For how brave and different it was, it had to solidify that it was in fact taking place in the same continuity as the original series to appeal to both old and new fans, that's when it really started to pay off, and why episodes such as the Agenda 3 part are the most popular.

Not to mention still requiring an Optimus and a Megatron in the show.

Scott Neitlich (formerly in charge of the MOTU 200X line at Mattel) recently said in one of his videos (Spector Creative on YouTube) that toys aren't made for kids or collectors, they're made for retailers, that's who toy companies have to sell to first and foremost. And right now there's only three things retailers seem to like; G1, movie toys, and whatever is on TV. It's no accident that retailers want more G1 exclusives than movie exclusives. Amazon and Walmart (and even Pulse) only care about G1 exclusives, Target is the only one that seems to be open to everything. G1 is the big seller, they aren't going to try something new until it isn't and not a moment sooner.

Emerje

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:59 am
by AllNewSuperRobot
Nuclearxpotato wrote:Kingdom added some MUCH MUCH needed variety and Hasbro has likely realised that (especially if the Legacy leaks are true).


Gauntlet101010 wrote:But, even while saying that, Hasbro's gone way too far with it. I definitely wouldn't mind them mining their character library.


Jelze Bunnycat wrote: instead new characters kept coming and going (which leads to one of the biggest overall character pools of any given IP :lol:


Going back to the TMNT comparison. They have done their best to update as much of their cast as possible with each iteration. Granted it is easier for them, as their core cast is a lot smaller.

What this all comes down to though - variety. Which is why I looked to the Victory HasLab being one of the Gestalts (or Galaxy Shuttle). Because, regardless of "popularity", Star Saber has been done much more recently and done well. A decent chunk of their character library has been left as 80's Bricks for several decades now. Surely a Transformers fan would like to see more than a dozen or so character designs ad nauseum?

It wouldn't be a bold departure for them to do something different, either. Ultra Magnus' role in Animated, for example. If Prime was a red and blue tank, or Bumblebee was a yellow helicopter, would the sky really fall?

To be honest, given HasTak's reluctance to stop playing safe. An initial all new, all different wave of Transformers could be the ideal kind of thing for HasLab.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:46 am
by Sabrblade
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It wouldn't be a bold departure for them to do something different, either. Ultra Magnus' role in Animated, for example. If Prime was a red and blue tank, or Bumblebee was a yellow helicopter, would the sky really fall?
Eleven years ago, I made a thread on here asking people if they felt that if the color of a character was really that important, with the example I used being if we got a new series in where Optimus Prime looked like his traditional truck robot design but with one exception: He's green instead of red. And the majority of responses I got were all unanimous that, to them, yes, the color does matter. To them, if Optimus Prime were to be green by default, instead of it being just an alternate form of his while his default form is red, there needs to be a justification for it instead of him being green just because.

And that was just 2010, long before the whole evergreen deal. Even back in 2007 when the first movie came out, people complained that Bumblebee wasn't a VW, Optimus was too blue, Starscream was tan instead of gray and red, Ironhide was black instead of red, Ratchet green instead of white, Jazz silver instead of white and blue, etc. This mentality has been going on for at least 14 years.

Ironically, there wasn't much of this complaining during the Unicron Trilogy. No "Why's Energon Ironhide blue instead of red?" or "Why's Armada Thrust gray instead of dark red?" It seems to have mainly been from the older fans of G1 who got out of Transformers circa late-G1/G2/Beast Wars and came back during the announcement of the 2007 movie, never complaining about the nameslaps of RiD'01 and the Unicron Trilogy since they weren't around for those.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:20 am
by AllNewSuperRobot
I mean there is irony to the decrying of Ratchet's colour scheme in Bayformers. As it was that of a modern ambulance. Colour theory in most animated media properties is definitely a thing. There was a video on YouTube wherein characters such as the Incredible Hulk and Wonder Woman were identified by mere rectangles that had the same colour palette applied.

Practically speaking, Primus forbid something called "Bumblebee" should transform into something that flies.. :P

Thinking about it, you would definitely know it was something brand new, if the altmodes were completely different. As Beast Wars did.
Yes, cynically, there was a Megatron and a Prime/al in Beast Wars. But they weren't the break out stars. The brand new characters were. Rattrap, Waspinator, Dinobot et al Those became fan favourites that persist 25 years later. HasTak has lost sight of that.


Sabrblade wrote:Ironically, there wasn't much of this complaining during the Unicron Trilogy. No "Why's Energon Ironhide blue instead of red?" or "Why's Armada Thrust gray instead of dark red?" It seems to have mainly been from the older fans of G1 who got out of Transformers circa late-G1/G2/Beast Wars and came back during the announcement of the 2007 movie, never complaining about the nameslaps of RiD'01 and the Unicron Trilogy since they weren't around for those.


This fascinates me. If UT had the solid writing of Beast Wars at it's peak. Better animation. Had been the 21st century break out success HasTak hoped it would be. G1 for the new millennium. What would Transformers look like today?

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:31 am
by Sabrblade
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Practically speaking, Primus forbid something called "Bumblebee" should transform into something that flies.. :P
Outside of Rescue Bots, that is, whose toyline let him be a freakin' Quinjet!

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Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:10 am
by Overcracker
Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It wouldn't be a bold departure for them to do something different, either. Ultra Magnus' role in Animated, for example. If Prime was a red and blue tank, or Bumblebee was a yellow helicopter, would the sky really fall?
Eleven years ago, I made a thread on here asking people if they felt that if the color of a character was really that important, with the example I used being if we got a new series in where Optimus Prime looked like his traditional truck robot design but with one exception: He's green instead of red. And the majority of responses I got were all unanimous that, to them, yes, the color does matter. To them, if Optimus Prime were to be green by default, instead of it being just an alternate form of his while his default form is red, there needs to be a justification for it instead of him being green just because.

And that was just 2010, long before the whole evergreen deal. Even back in 2007 when the first movie came out, people complained that Bumblebee wasn't a VW, Optimus was too blue, Starscream was tan instead of gray and red, Ironhide was black instead of red, Ratchet green instead of white, Jazz silver instead of white and blue, etc. This mentality has been going on for at least 14 years.

Ironically, there wasn't much of this complaining during the Unicron Trilogy. No "Why's Energon Ironhide blue instead of red?" or "Why's Armada Thrust gray instead of dark red?" It seems to have mainly been from the older fans of G1 who got out of Transformers circa late-G1/G2/Beast Wars and came back during the announcement of the 2007 movie, never complaining about the nameslaps of RiD'01 and the Unicron Trilogy since they weren't around for those.



More than the color I think is the actual reference if any it may be making. Things like Energon Ironhide and Armada Thrust were not referencing the G1 characters at all. They were their own unique character and as such could have any color scheme they wished. Same goes for Bulkhead for Animated Bulkhead (called Ironhide in Japan). They weren't referencing the G1 characters at all, so had no reason to be in the G1 characters colors.

The most extreme example of this would be R.I.D. Grimlock. A green excavator. Was anybody angry he was not grey and gold? No because he was not G1 Grimlock.

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Grimlock


And in a weird almost self referential but likely unintended case, R.I.D 2015 Grimlock was a green dinosaur. Referencing both G1 and R.I.D 2001, which was actually a retool of FoC Grimlock for the voyager version, and a new mold for the smaller versions which eventually got repainted into G1 colors.

The movies on the other hand were directly referencing the G1 characters so it was normal to expect them to exist in their traditional colors. Hasbro even released repaints of everybody in their accurate G1 colors for Jazz, Ratchet, Ironhide, Sideswipe (Swerve), Starscream to appease the raging fans.

Hasbro is completely capable of creating new shows with new characters that don't need to reference G1 even if they use some G1 names. They just haven't done so in a while.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:18 pm
by Nuclearxpotato
Overcracker wrote:More than the color I think is the actual reference if any it may be making. Things like Energon Ironhide and Armada Thrust were not referencing the G1 characters at all. They were their own unique character and as such could have any color scheme they wished. Same goes for Bulkhead for Animated Bulkhead (called Ironhide in Japan). They weren't referencing the G1 characters at all, so had no reason to be in the G1 characters colors.

This is exactly my thoughts on it. 07 Blackout and Barricade were not references to the Micromasters, they were names that sounded cool (and "Barricade" is more appropriate for a squad car than a racecar). Most UT designs were completely divorced from any previous uses and that worked in its favour.
I've always loved Armada Thrust's unique appearance and wished for a modern revisit (maybe with a new name since people are complaining about the BB Thrust >:oP )

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:34 pm
by Sabrblade
Armada Thrust didn't need to be a Decepticon jet with a conehead, and yet...

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This redeco even sealed the deal.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:58 pm
by Gauntlet101010
A lot is made about how different Armada was, but it brought back a lot of G1. From the reimagining of the plot to characters like Starscream and Hot Rod / Shot. I tend to see Armada as a step towards the G1 saturation we have now and not that new.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:04 pm
by Sabrblade
Gauntlet101010 wrote:A lot is made about how different Armada was, but it brought back a lot of G1. From the reimagining of the plot to characters like Starscream and Hot Rod / Shot. I tend to see Armada as a step towards the G1 saturation we have now and not wholly new.
Hot Shot was even named "Hot Rod" in Japan, hence why his Powerlinx redeco looks like this:

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Same reason Demolishor got a Powerlinx redeco colored like G1 Ironhide, as his Japanese name was "Ironhide":

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Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:07 pm
by ZeroWolf
I don't mind re-imaginings as they can lead us to different places like Armada Starscream who was very different from his G1 self, to his benefit.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:12 pm
by AllNewSuperRobot
I think Animated had three decent reimaginings: Ultra Magnus, Omega Supreme and Prowl.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:14 pm
by Overcracker
Sabrblade wrote:Armada Thrust didn't need to be a Decepticon jet with a conehead, and yet...

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This redeco even sealed the deal.


A one off Japanese store exclusive who's color scheme wasn't even in the show hardly makes him G1 Thrust.

Powerlinx Thrust was actually closer to Dirge colors than G1 Thrust's.

The point being sharing a name and some visual similarities does not make you the G1 character.

Thrust was an entirely different character in Armada than he was in G1, as was Starscream even.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:17 pm
by AllNewSuperRobot
I'm focusing more on how horrid that design is, than the colour palette.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:34 pm
by Nuclearxpotato
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm focusing more on how horrid that design is, than the colour palette.

It's almost like HasTak has had twenty years of expanding their engineering since :-?

Much of Armada's cast had great designs, they just had... let's say "burdened" toys (which applies to the rest of UT as well).
Also if I remember correctly, the characters were designed by Hasbro and engineered by Takara. Hot Shot was meant to be a Bumblebee, but due to Trademark loss he was named "Hot Shot" which led to Takara going with Hot Rod.
Those redecos are there as throwbacks, not to confirm that they're meant to be the "same" character.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:41 pm
by AllNewSuperRobot
Nuclearxpotato wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm focusing more on how horrid that design is, than the colour palette.

It's almost like HasTak has had twenty years of expanding their engineering since :-?


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I'm more inclined to compare Thrust to this guy, who predated him and had a better overall aesthetic. But yeah, UT figures had issues. I did like a couple of them though.

I wouldn't be surprised if UT Masterpieces pop up on HasLab.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:11 pm
by o.supreme
Greetings. This is just one persons opinion. Not saying it is wrong or right, just that I found it to be interesting with respect to Haslab:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU3AsuUWdfY&t=15s

To me, Unicron was probably about the best idea Hasbro could have come up with for a "fan dream project", and yet it was barely funded by extending the deadline, and finally opening up orders t more fans internationally.

It really speaks to the fact that as much as we (I) enjoy all things Transformers, we collectively are a much smaller fanbase then things like Star Wars and Marvel.

I do have concerns about the upcoming Victory Haslab project. I will be backing it day one, because I am all about getting as many representations of characters that originated in the Japanese part of the original series as possible. However, for all the posts I've seen hoping for Star Saber, Deathsaurus, and Dinoking etc...I cant help but think the majority just don't care enough to fund something like this.

I am not too worried about the price. But seeing Hasbro ask for 14K backers for Galactus does....It appears the goal will be met, but it is slow to get there, and probably wont meet all the stretch goals Hasbro may have tucked away in their back pocket. If the Victory Haslab (whatever it turns out to be) has a high demand of 8K or more backers, I doubt it will happen. Unicron was a HUGE gamble, but even at a much less expensive price, I don't see 8K or more fans funding a character from a continuity most don't even care to delve into, even after the media became readily available in North America.

I hope I'm wrong, but I do have concerns. :-s . I've appreciated all the representations we've got over the past few years, eve the less than Ideal CW Liokaiser. But I fear if this doesn't get funded, they will avoid Japanese characters altogether moving forward. I really don't want this to be the next Cookie Monster.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:20 pm
by Sabrblade
If anything, Star Saber has probably the best chance of any Victory character at being funded on account of his being the Victory character most known of by the Western fandom, and his basically resembling a fancy super-robot space jet version of Optimus Prime with a big sword.

Re: Hasbro Transformers Announces Pulse Con Exclusive and Teases NEW HasLab Project

PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:35 pm
by Emerje
Part of the issue with Unicron getting funded was that they were going to collect the funds the same week MP-44 was going to be released. Expecting fans to shell out $1,100~ at basically the same time for Transformers would have been too much for most people. It was terribly timed.

I think part of Galactus' reason for having a higher backing goal is Hasbro's insistence in him having electronics. There's a major silicon and chip shortage right now that's effecting everything from computers and video games to automotive. It's even more expensive if they're doubling down and using blue LEDs, which cost more, under that blue plastic. I'm thinking 14K might have been the minimum order their supplier was willing go with and that's still a pretty small bulk order for custom electronics like this.

Emerje