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william-james88 wrote:the chest does appear to be mistransformed, you can also compare that to the unpainted sample.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

william-james88 wrote:the chest does appear to be mistransformed, you can also compare that to the unpainted sample.

Didn't read that part before... Nevermind.

I know we can't gauge the scale from these images but with the way the wheels sit in his Bot Mode chest, it would suggest he is tiny. I wonder if that will accurately be reflected in the price...

william-james88 wrote:He'll be the same price as Bee 2.0

william-james88 wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

RiddlerJ wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

primalxconvoy wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

RiddlerJ wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

primalxconvoy wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).

If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile

sol magnus wrote:but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.

sol magnus wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).

If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile

It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.

primalxconvoy wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).

If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile

It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.

Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?

sol magnus wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).

If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile

It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.

Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?

I would've thought the 'stingy with licensing' implication would cover that.

primalxconvoy wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:It’s that Bumblebee 2.0 all over again. I’d much rather prefer a more realistic alt mode, I think they could still pull off the deformation/“chibi-fication” and deliver a solid robot mode like the original MP Bee. This shift in aesthetic to viciously G1-screen-accurate only works for some of the characters.

I don't know if they can do that. Isn't there a rights issue with Porsche, which is why they haven't dine Jazz yet? This is probably the workaround.

Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, which allowed Bumblebee to be made:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche

I'm going by this

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Porsche

I don't get your point. The link you gave hasn't contradicted my post. Volkswagen currently owns Porsche, and VW allowed a previously "banned" character (BB) get the VW licence. Thus, there's just as equal a chance for Jazz to become a Porsche. After all, Mirage is getting a Porsche mode in the upcoming film (which I understand could just as easily be a separate legal issue to getting a toy license).

If anything, Hasbro could follow Polyphony Digital's lead in Gran Turismo 2 and just release Jazz as an RUF:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_Automobile

It's actually more complicated than VW owns Porsche. VW doesn't apportion the licensing rights to Porsche, Porsche does (or at least that's how it's worked for the last 10 years or so). Having sold VWs for a time, in training you have to go through a class where they explain the family ownership of VW and it's bought up subsidiaries and how a certain brother controls one company and another brother controls another company. It's confusing, frustrating and fascinating - but one thing the trainer did say was that the companies are notoriously tight with their licensing, and the Porsche owning brother might be the tightest of all.

Then why not use RUF? It's a subsidiary of Porsche but seems to have some autonomy?

I would've thought the 'stingy with licensing' implication would cover that.

Like I've written/linked to before, RUF have given licences out (to videogames) when Porsche couldn't/wouldn't before.

-Kanrabat- wrote:As usual, miss-transforming for the first reveal gives a bad first impression. This looks relatively acceptable.

Now the dreadful back reveal...
Clean, or kibble cancer?