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Rumour had it the next movie line would be YUGE, and these listings show us why. While there will be many simpler toys, as there is in every movie line, the deluxes and such will not be relegated to the Studio Series line but will instead be in the movie line with the simpler Transformers toys. We know this due to the new products found on the Target database systems being under a new DPCI rather than the one for Studio Series (or Legacy). And since the same character will be available in a myriad of classes, you will see the same codename appearing a few times in these listings found by fellow Seibertronian JTPRime 17. Also, please be aware, the codenames are meant to confuse anyone seeing then, they mean absolutely nothing.

Here are the Transformers Rise of the Beasts Code Name listings:

• Transformers Alpha ($15.99, ROTB)
• George Transformers ($9.99, ROTB)
• George Transformers ($21.99, ROTB)
• Safari Transformers ($10.99, ROTB)
• Journey Transformers ($10.99, ROTB)
• Orion Transformers ($10.99, ROTB)
• Orion Transformers ($15.99, ROTB)
• Cyclops Transformers ($21.99, ROTB)
• Pluto Transformers ($10.99, ROTB)
• Transformers Barcelona ($15.99, ROTB)
• Cyclops Transformers ($31.49, ROTB)
• George Transformers ($31.49, ROTB)
• Oscar Transformers ($21.99, ROTB)
• Warrior Transformers ($10.99, ROTB)
• Mv7 Deluxe Outlaw ($22.99, ROTB)
• Alpha Transformers ($9.99, ROTB)
• Warrior ($31.49, ROTB)
• Mv7 Deluxe Pluto ($22.99, ROTB)
• Mv7 Deluxe George ($22.99, ROTB)
• Mv7 Deluxe Barcelona ($22.99, ROTB)
• Mv7 Deluxe Titan ($22.99, ROTB)
• Mv7 Role Play Blaster Alpha ($20.99, ROTB)
• 2pk Transformers Bb Mv7 Energon ($26.99, ROTB)

Here are the newly found Legacy listings which finally show the rumoured leader class Blitzwing (which will also be a voyager sized toy, like Astrotrain). Core Megatron could likely be a repack and Deadend was expected since we are getting a Menasor in this line made up of 4 deluxes and a commander class Motormaster.

• Leader Blitzwing Transformers ($49.99, Legacy)
• Core Megatron Transformers ($9.99, Legacy)
• Deluxe Deadend ($22.99, Legacy)
• Core Hotrod Transformers ($9.99, Legacy)

And lastly, we have a single addition to our Studio Series listings which is probably a core class of Spike in his exosuit in the 86 movie:

• Spike Transformers ($8.49, Studio Series)

As a side note, the word leak has been thrown around a lot regarding the recent listings but it's being used wrong. A leak by definition is internal. All this info is from Target's end, and any of the thousand employees have access to see them and any other products that can be ordered in the system. The fact that we see codenames on movie lines for these listings on outsider databases means every safety measure is in place and working. It also means there is a bigger emphasis for security relating to the movie toys than any other toys.

Here are a selected amount of images showing these odes on Target's system.

Well I'm definitely interested in that Blitzwing and the new Stunticons. The rest at this time are a pass, until I see pics. The movie doesn't interest me, so the toys probably won't either. IMO the last good movie toy line before Studio Series was DoTM, and I don't see that changing.

I do wonder how that Blitzwing will be jacked up, he's a voyager at leader price, so I'm sure he will have some useless extra parts like Astrotrain did. Ironically, I believe Blitzwing should have been voyager without extra parts. Considering the advancements in engineering, it could be an amazing voyager triplechanger.

I'm guessing "George" is Optimus Primal given how many figures he has listed and George being the name of the gorilla from Rampage (not to mention Curious George and George of the Jungle).

Rodimus Prime wrote:I do wonder how that Blitzwing will be jacked up, he's a voyager at leader price, so I'm sure he will have some useless extra parts like Astrotrain did. Ironically, I believe Blitzwing should have been voyager without extra parts. Considering the advancements in engineering, it could be an amazing voyager triplechanger.

Personally I'd like him to be Voyager sized at Leader price with no added extras to pad the price. Put the entire price point into the figure itself, really do it justice with all the moving parts it takes to do him right.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I do wonder how that Blitzwing will be jacked up, he's a voyager at leader price, so I'm sure he will have some useless extra parts like Astrotrain did. Ironically, I believe Blitzwing should have been voyager without extra parts. Considering the advancements in engineering, it could be an amazing voyager triplechanger.

Personally I'd like him to be Voyager sized at Leader price with no added extras to pad the price. Put the entire price point into the figure itself, really do it justice with all the moving parts it takes to do him right.

Emerje

Honestly I hope that's the case. I, personally, have no issues paying a bit more for a smaller figure that has some solid work done to it. Honestly kinda hated how a lot of older figures that were large ended up being largely hollow just so they could make them big. So give us solid, more complex, smaller figures at that price point instead.

I complained about SS Hot Rod being voyager priced, but his engineering almost validated the price. So if that happens here with Blitzwing, it'll have to do. Whatever gets us an articulate, cleverly engineered figure, which I guess will adhere to his transformation on screen. I never cared for TR or T30 Blitzwing, I think we need a really good representation of the G1 character.

George is very clearly Primal, as he's in all size classes.

I'm curious what the $21.99 class is vs the $22.99 Deluxe.

Clearly $9.99 is the movie's core class.

$21.99 is maybe a gimmicked version. Springloaded something or other?

Though the other price points are kind of strange, $10.99 and $15.99?

I though maybe Safari may be Cheetor, but looks like he only exists as a $10.99 intermediate class thing.

Barcelona maybe Blackarachnia,

Cyclops is likely Rhinox.

so that leaves maybe Orion as Cheetor?

I don't care enough about G1 Blitzwing to replace the TR one with a more expensive one just based on him being "more accurate", so I'm only even considering that figure if it does something the TR one doesn't, be that some variety of Animated reference or some Astrotrain-like extras. Or an Overcharge repaint, maybe.

Only one Deluxe Stunticon listing left to appear.

Core Class Megatron is rumored to be G2-based somehow, not just a repack of the Kingdom one.

Interesting that Legacy sounds like it's gonna have way more Core Class figures than Kingdom did, especially since we still haven't seen the second rumored Pretender homage.

Overcracker wrote:Barcelona maybe Blackarachnia,

Is Blackarachnia in the movie?

At some point i'd be interested if Blitzwing got some Munitons for his Tank Mode and Jet mode.

Who knows? maybe Turret for shields and additional Missiles for his Jet mode

Let's untangle this a bit:

George Transformers ($9.99, ROTB)
Alpha Transformers ($9.99, ROTB)

Safari Transformers ($10.99, ROTB)
Journey Transformers ($10.99, ROTB)
Orion Transformers ($10.99, ROTB)
Pluto Transformers ($10.99, ROTB)
Warrior Transformers ($10.99, ROTB)

Transformers Alpha ($15.99, ROTB)
Orion Transformers ($15.99, ROTB)
Transformers Barcelona ($15.99, ROTB)

George Transformers ($21.99, ROTB)
Cyclops Transformers ($21.99, ROTB)
Oscar Transformers ($21.99, ROTB)

Cyclops Transformers ($31.49, ROTB)
George Transformers ($31.49, ROTB)
Warrior ($31.49, ROTB)

Mv7 Deluxe Outlaw ($22.99, ROTB)
Mv7 Deluxe Pluto ($22.99, ROTB)
Mv7 Deluxe George ($22.99, ROTB)
Mv7 Deluxe Barcelona ($22.99, ROTB)
Mv7 Deluxe Titan ($22.99, ROTB)

Mv7 Role Play Blaster Alpha ($20.99, ROTB)
2pk Transformers Bb Mv7 Energon ($26.99, ROTB)

Can anyone look up the Price Points for the BB, TLK and Cyberverse lines?

Forgive me if this has been discussed already, but do we know if the new Menasor will be compatible with Combiner Wars figures? It kinda irks me that Energon can't mix with Power Core can't mix with Combiner Wars...

Granted, the combiner ports on deluxes are somewhat in the way, but Hasbro got better at hiding them (Swoop and Jazz as examples).

MeGrimlock78 wrote:Forgive me if this has been discussed already, but do we know if the new Menasor will be compatible with Combiner Wars figures? It kinda irks me that Energon can't mix with Power Core can't mix with Combiner Wars...

Granted, the combiner ports on deluxes are somewhat in the way, but Hasbro got better at hiding them (Swoop and Jazz as examples).

We don't know yet, no.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Barcelona maybe Blackarachnia,

Is Blackarachnia in the movie?

Maybe. confirmed characters for the beasts are only Primal, Rhinox and Air razor. Nothing from the Predacon side yet that I have seen.

Interesting, I'm surprised that they aren't putting the deluxes in Studio Series

Overcracker wrote:George is very clearly Primal, as he's in all size classes.

More likely Optimus Prime or Bumblebee since those two are more likely to be in all classes than Primal.

Also, the codenames truly mean nothing. They are picked so that you can't infer anything from them.

william-james88 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:George is very clearly Primal, as he's in all size classes.

More likely Optimus Prime or Bumblebee since those two are more likely to be in all classes than Primal.

Also, the codenames truly mean nothing. They are picked so that you can't infer anything from them.

Why wouldn't Primal be in all the size classes? It's still likely he'll be leading his own BW movie one day.

Are Predacons even in this movie? Sounds like its all Autobots and Maximals vs. Scourge and his Terrorcons. I've only heard it talked about as an ancient battle between three factions.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:George is very clearly Primal, as he's in all size classes.

More likely Optimus Prime or Bumblebee since those two are more likely to be in all classes than Primal.

Also, the codenames truly mean nothing. They are picked so that you can't infer anything from them.

Why wouldn't Primal be in all the size classes? It's still likely he'll be leading his own BW movie one day.

Are Predacons even in this movie? Sounds like its all Autobots and Maximals vs. Scourge and his Terrorcons. I've only heard it talked about as an ancient battle between three factions.

Emerje

Both Predacons and Decepticons were mentioned in the initial announcement of ROTB, but no specific names were given. As far as I remember it was said that Scourge and his Terrorcons were going after both Maximals and Predacons. I wouldn't be surprised if the Predacons just ended up being generic, grumbling background robots that are only there to be slaughtered by Optimus Prime, like the Decepticons tend to be.

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:George is very clearly Primal, as he's in all size classes.

More likely Optimus Prime or Bumblebee since those two are more likely to be in all classes than Primal.

Also, the codenames truly mean nothing. They are picked so that you can't infer anything from them.

Why wouldn't Primal be in all the size classes? It's still likely he'll be leading his own BW movie one day.

He might be. But Optimus Prime was said to be the main robot character in this film and he has a proven track record for sales. Also, rumour is Optimus Primal will only appear in half the film since he won't be in the Brooklyn segment. But we'll see.

Kinda hoping Blitzwing is animated version. Leader seems a bit expensive for him either way but I could see it being TR with three titan masters and a replacable chest piece with the indentations from Primes grill.

Since we're still reading about Voyager-sized Leaders, Deluxe-sized Voyagers, and small Deluxes, I'm starting to think we need new size terminology entirely. So-called size classes are actually price classes. Insofar as they are still size classes, it's box size rather than product size, and most people don't care about that.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Since we're still reading about Voyager-sized Leaders, Deluxe-sized Voyagers, and small Deluxes, I'm starting to think we need new size terminology entirely. So-called size classes are actually price classes. Insofar as they are still size classes, it's box size rather than product size, and most people don't care about that.

Agreed, Hasbro just needs to add "overpriced" before their categories XD

It doesnt look good with Rodimus at £93 next to the same sized boxed/class £80 Jetfire and that's even before comparing prices/sizes to the Prime Wars trilogy or previous lines.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Since we're still reading about Voyager-sized Leaders, Deluxe-sized Voyagers, and small Deluxes, I'm starting to think we need new size terminology entirely. So-called size classes are actually price classes. Insofar as they are still size classes, it's box size rather than product size, and most people don't care about that.

This. If they really want to go green then perhaps scale back the packaging size so that 90% of it isn't empty/wasted space making it look like you're getting a large item that "appears" to be worth $23. My most recent hit me hard realization was with Origins Bumblebee and at how tiny he looks(Legends/Core Class) compared to the box he was in for an actual Deluxe looking bot.

So to me it doesn't feel bot related but more about how big the box is that gives off the impression you're getting what you pay for. Frankly it appears to me that a lot of "Legends Class" bots are being released in "Deluxe" packaging for no other reason that to charge $23 for a $14 toy. And IMO it's gotten out of hand.

Either bring back Legends Class or at least its price point/SKU and resize the boxes accordingly to each bot scale. I assume Legends was canned so they could charge more for them at the same time not have to make smaller packaging, which would streamline that process to now focus on only 3 box sizes for mass retail.

Same could be said about pushing a Deluxe into Voyager or Voyager into Leader and throwing in something almost useless to justify the price. TBH at this point Hasbro should be making Money hand over fist with these practices.

I'm really excited about Blitzwing. If his bot mode is on point, I can deal with a couple issues with alt modes, as well as the price.
I'm also very anxious to see all of these Stunticons; first, just for their appearances (especially Motormaster), but also to see if they are in-fact CW compatible.

I have zero interest in any of the movie figures... Such an easy pass for me.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Since we're still reading about Voyager-sized Leaders, Deluxe-sized Voyagers, and small Deluxes, I'm starting to think we need new size terminology entirely. So-called size classes are actually price classes. Insofar as they are still size classes, it's box size rather than product size, and most people don't care about that.

This. Ever since Legends Class ended there's no place for those cheaper/smaller bots so they put them in "Deluxe" Class where they don't really belong and certainly aren't worth the price in some cases. Such as with Buzzworthy Origins Bee, that's not a $23 bot. IMO

Also the fact that the oversized boxes are there simply to sell you on the item appearing to be worth the price, could you imagine if they cut those deluxe boxes by half and still charged $23? In cases like Red Alert, Wheeljack etc. it works but not on Bots like BB and CJ.IMO it's just wasted packaging materials in an era where they're seemingly trying to go green.

Sowndwave76 wrote:I'm really excited about Blitzwing. If his bot mode is on point, I can deal with a couple issues with alt modes, as well as the price.
I'm also very anxious to see all of these Stunticons; first, just for their appearances (especially Motormaster), but also to see if they are in-fact CW compatible.

I have zero interest in any of the movie figures... Such an easy pass for me.

I don't think they will be CW compatible. This is a new system.

william-james88 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I'm really excited about Blitzwing. If his bot mode is on point, I can deal with a couple issues with alt modes, as well as the price.
I'm also very anxious to see all of these Stunticons; first, just for their appearances (especially Motormaster), but also to see if they are in-fact CW compatible.

I have zero interest in any of the movie figures... Such an easy pass for me.

I don't think they will be CW compatible. This is a new system.

Blocks extending from Motormaster for the vehicle-mode Stunticons to be slapped on