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Ok so i started making a list of the transformers i'd like to get my hands on. so i'm going through the galleries and stop on the Machine Wars Starscream. i look at it and said"Damn wait a minute i have that one!!" but low and behold i have the Universe King Atlas!!when i compared the pics they are almost exactly the same( except for paint!). now is king atlas a alter ego of SS?? and which one came out first?? sorry for the rant, and thanks for any help!
Machine Wars Starscream

Universe King Atlas

Bigdaddymcqueen wrote:Ok so i started making a list of the transformers i'd like to get my hands on. so i'm going through the galleries and stop on the Machine Wars Starscream. i look at it and said"Damn wait a minute i have that one!!" but low and behold i have the Universe King Atlas!!when i compared the pics they are almost exactly the same( except for paint!). now is king atlas a alter ego of SS?? and which one came out first?? sorry for the rant, and thanks for any help!
Machine Wars Starscream

Universe King Atlas

king atlas looks way better.. see this is a perfect example of the "Transformers Customizers" toy line I was talking about.. except you can have some differet heads but recast recolored body parts you assemble your self...

Anyways.. back on topic.. yeah same mold, different color, different characters... story of the trade I'm afraid..

welcome to the world of transformers repaints AKA "milking the mold"

King Atlas is meant to be a homage to the Japanese Dai Atlas from the Zone Series.

He is indeed a repaint of Machine Wars Starscream, who in turn is a repaint of the Predator <a href="http://www.tfu.info/1992/Decepticon/Skyquake/skyquake.htm">Skyquake</a>

Like most repaint, King Atlas, MW Starscream and Skyquake are all entirely different characters sharing the same mold over a 10 year period.

thanks for the info! i'm kinda fond of the Altas myself! just one more i can mark off the list!

Skyquake being the best of the 3. Similar to how Machine Wars Prime is a crappy, repainted, stripped down version of Thunderclash from the later G1 Line.

Yes indeed, I've only been collecting for a little over a month now, and I've already learned how Hasbro loves to re-paint molds and call it something else (Movie SS became Thundercracker, '08 BB will become Cliffjumper, etc.).

Bluesummers wrote:Yes indeed, I've only been collecting for a little over a month now, and I've already learned how Hasbro loves to re-paint molds and call it something else (Movie SS became Thundercracker, '08 BB will become Cliffjumper, etc.).

And it's been like that even before Transformers were created

What a terrible toy.

Lame

They've been doing that since G1.

Prowl, Smokescreen, and Bluestreak are all the same mould.

The Seekers, Rumble, Frenzy, Lazorbeak, and Buzzsaw, same moulds.

The only ones who don't get this treatment are the ones that are either too lame or too big to make a profit on.

The only exception I can think of is the Fort Max mould. There have been three incarnations of him since the late '80's.

ConDrewfus wrote:They've been doing that since G1.

Prowl, Smokescreen, and Bluestreak are all the same mould.

The Seekers, Rumble, Frenzy, Lazorbeak, and Buzzsaw, same moulds.

The only ones who don't get this treatment are the ones that are either too lame or too big to make a profit on.

The only exception I can think of is the Fort Max mould. There have been three incarnations of him since the late '80's.

Yeah, and all three of them cost a billion dollars. Each.

ConDrewfus wrote:The only ones who don't get this treatment are the ones that are either too lame or too big to make a profit on.

Not until they're reissued by ehobby.

Orion Pax? I'm looking at you....

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

ConDrewfus wrote:The only ones who don't get this treatment are the ones that are either too lame or too big to make a profit on.

Not until they're reissued by ehobby.

Orion Pax? I'm looking at you....

Good point. G1 Kup is a horrendous figure, ain't he?

The only group not infected yet are the Movie toys. I mean only the characters involved in the Movie.

ConDrewfus wrote:They've been doing that since G1.

Prowl, Smokescreen, and Bluestreak are all the same mould.

The Seekers, Rumble, Frenzy, Lazorbeak, and Buzzsaw, same moulds.

The only ones who don't get this treatment are the ones that are either too lame or too big to make a profit on.

The only exception I can think of is the Fort Max mould. There have been three incarnations of him since the late '80's.

Even before that. Each toy was based on a toy in the Diaclone line (except Skywarp).

And Fortress Maximus got the same treatment. In Masterforce he was repainted into his "little" brother Grand Maximus, and Car Robots Brave Maximus is a seperate character as well.

Auto Bot wrote:The only group not infected yet are the Movie toys. I mean only the characters involved in the Movie.

Jazz became Redeco G1
Starscream became Redeco G1 and Thundercracker
Megatron Yoyager had the metallic repaint at BestBuy
Ratchet got the metallic repaint, plus the "Nurse Ratchet" repaint
Prime Voyager got the "nightmode" repaint or whatever it's called
Barricade got a repaint into the Recon Barricade
Ironhide got a repaint into the blue off-road truck
Leader Brawl comes in 2 different paint schemes
Arcee I believe is being released as a black deluxe repaint
09 BB got the battle damaged repaint as well as the Cliffjumper repaint
Blackout was repainted into the orange Autobot coast guard chopper



yeah uhm, I don't think the movie line toys have been exempt from repaints.

Malikon wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:The only group not infected yet are the Movie toys. I mean only the characters involved in the Movie.

Jazz became Redeco G1
Starscream became Redeco G1 and Thundercracker
Megatron Yoyager had the metallic repaint at BestBuy
Ratchet got the metallic repaint, plus the "Nurse Ratchet" repaint
Prime Voyager got the "nightmode" repaint or whatever it's called
Barricade got a repaint into the Recon Barricade
Ironhide got a repaint into the blue off-road truck
Leader Brawl comes in 2 different paint schemes
Arcee I believe is being released as a black deluxe repaint
09 BB got the battle damaged repaint as well as the Cliffjumper repaint
Blackout was repainted into the orange Autobot coast guard chopper



yeah uhm, I don't think the movie line toys have been exempt from repaints.

I mean the characters actually involved in the movie. I don't think any of those repaints will come out in the sequel.

Whereas, for the other lines, some or most of the repaints are significant characters in their respective storylines.

The difference is that, to be able to complete the cast of say, G1, or Energon, you have no choice but to buy the silly repaints.

As for the movie, you can choose not to buy any of the repaints. As none of them were involved in the movie itself anyway.

Like me, i didn't buy any movie toy repaints. But i did grab some of the unique bots not involved in the movie. Such as Longarm, Arcee, and hopefully soon, Dropkick.

But for the other line i'm collecting, namely Classics, I can't ignore Ultra Magnus, Cliffjumper, Skywarp, and Devastator. All repaints. Dam!

ah I see what you mean. Gotcha.

"Battle Damaged Jazz" was in the movie.

Auto Bot wrote:The difference is that, to be able to complete the cast of say, G1, or Energon, you have no choice but to buy the silly repaints.

OBJECTION!

I have picture evidence that:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
And Fortress Maximus got the same treatment. In Masterforce he was repainted into his "little" brother Grand Maximus, and Car Robots Brave Maximus is a seperate character as well.

According to that Japanese line we don't like to talk about, RID Fort Max is also G1 Fort Max.

Edit ~ w00t! 629 posts!

Gauntlet101010 wrote:"Battle Damaged Jazz" was in the movie.

Didn't buy that either.

They are part of the "optional" toys. Repaint or slight mod of the same character to represent the same character in another way.

ive found myself buying the energon arcee mold a couple of times.