The Energon Pub

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:08 pm**

Which toy was a real mistake or success? One which you think what was Hasbro thinking? Or,one that you wonder why they didn't make more or discontinued it as a no-brainer? :oops:

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:20 pm**

Recently?

Success....deluxe concept Bumblebee

Bomb....have to go with Star Wars Transformers

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:23 pm**

success toy: concept bee
success line: alternators

bust: armada, energon, cybertron, crap.

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:29 pm**

success: movie ratchet
Bomb: movie bonecrusher(the middel wheels are tilted and it cant drive in a straight path.)

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:35 pm**

bran10 wrote:success toy: concept bee
success line: alternators

bust: armada, energon, cybertron, crap.

Oh man, really? No likie cybertron? Everytime I find one I don't have I drool =P~

recently picked up galaxy force optimus prime and metroplex...luv'em :grin:

Posted: **Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:37 pm**

skyblast wrote:
bran10 wrote:success toy: concept bee
success line: alternators

bust: armada, energon, cybertron, crap.

Oh man, really? No likie cybertron? Everytime I find one I don't have I drool

recently picked up galaxy force optimus prime and metroplex...luv'em

GF prime is awesome

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:05 am**

Bumblebee-otch wrote:
skyblast wrote:
bran10 wrote:success toy: concept bee
success line: alternators

bust: armada, energon, cybertron, crap.

Oh man, really? No likie cybertron? Everytime I find one I don't have I drool

recently picked up galaxy force optimus prime and metroplex...luv'em

GF prime is awesome

Yes I hate those lines lol, that pulled me out of the game, until beast wars 10th anniversary came along.

r.i.d. was pretty good though, I hate armada, enrgon and cybertron.

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:08 am**

bran10 wrote:
Bumblebee-otch wrote:
skyblast wrote:
bran10 wrote:success toy: concept bee
success line: alternators

bust: armada, energon, cybertron, crap.

Oh man, really? No likie cybertron? Everytime I find one I don't have I drool

recently picked up galaxy force optimus prime and metroplex...luv'em

GF prime is awesome

Yes I hate those lines lol, that pulled me out of the game, until beast wars 10th anniversary came along. r.i.d. was pretty good though, I hate armada, enrgon and cybertron.

it was the FIRST beast wars that got me into the game! i missed armada, energon, and cybertron. from what i hear, i didn't miss much! (except maybe unicron

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Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:12 am**

I really liked energon.. Don't know why.. In my opinion energon had the best galvatron

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:18 am**

Bumblebee-otch wrote:
bran10 wrote:
Bumblebee-otch wrote:
skyblast wrote:
bran10 wrote:success toy: concept bee
success line: alternators

bust: armada, energon, cybertron, crap.

Oh man, really? No likie cybertron? Everytime I find one I don't have I drool

recently picked up galaxy force optimus prime and metroplex...luv'em

GF prime is awesome

Yes I hate those lines lol, that pulled me out of the game, until beast wars 10th anniversary came along. r.i.d. was pretty good though, I hate armada, enrgon and cybertron.

it was the FIRST beast wars that got me into the game! i missed armada, energon, and cybertron. from what i hear, i didn't miss much! (except maybe unicron )

beast wars was what got me into it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:20 am**

bran10 wrote:
Bumblebee-otch wrote:
bran10 wrote:
Bumblebee-otch wrote:
skyblast wrote:
bran10 wrote:success toy: concept bee
success line: alternators

bust: armada, energon, cybertron, crap.

Oh man, really? No likie cybertron? Everytime I find one I don't have I drool

recently picked up galaxy force optimus prime and metroplex...luv'em

GF prime is awesome

Yes I hate those lines lol, that pulled me out of the game, until beast wars 10th anniversary came along. r.i.d. was pretty good though, I hate armada, enrgon and cybertron.

it was the FIRST beast wars that got me into the game! i missed armada, energon, and cybertron. from what i hear, i didn't miss much! (except maybe unicron )

beast wars was what got me into it.

I only truly liked TF after watching BW.

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:29 am**

Success: Classics Jetfire
Bomb: Titanium G2 Megatron

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:30 am**

Success: Classics Skywarp, Concept BB.
Bust: Movie Swindle, Movie Payload, 6" Titanium line.

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:33 am**

schizophrenica wrote:I really liked energon.. Don't know why.. In my opinion energon had the best galvatron

I've only recently bought a few Energon figures, but from the looks of them and the overall aesthetics of what the cartoon looked like, I think it was the best of the recent lines. I don't own any from the Armada line and don't feel the need to. And Cybertron? Eh, seemed like a promising premise and I like most of the Cybertron figures that I have, but the colors had a bad 80's day-glo look to them and the overall toy line just didn't have much that jumps out at you. But Galaxy Force Prime is justifiably awesome.

Biggest dud in the TF line? Anyway you slice it, the post '86 movie characters and the 2010 line combined with the slaughter of everybody's favorite original characters ushered in the wane in TF interest. Headmasters couldn't stem the tide and by the time Pretenders and Action Masters came along, few really seemed to carry to be all that upset of the what the toys had become.

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:59 am**

schizophrenica wrote:I really liked energon.. Don't know why.. In my opinion energon had the best galvatron

QFT! A bigger badder version of Galvatron in G1 anime colours was one of the diamonds of that line.
I find that there is something great about all the lines.

Bombs? maybe BM's scale system being so out of whack could make it the bomb of the group. Individually though, alot of the BM molds were sweet.

I think the whole 'gobot' portion of RID (characters like REV and Ironhide) was a bomb, I hate those one step matchbox bots. No personality.

I agree with No Death for Prowl about the Pretenders line, who wants robots pretending to be pseudo humanoid things?
That was a bomb idea from the start.

I actually really like the headmaster, targetmaster, powermaster idea though. Led the way for what the minicons are now.

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:23 am**

I was never sold on the Headmaster and Powermaster ideas as fictional devices but I certainly found the toys to be fun (particularly PM Prime and Doubledealer).

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:10 am**

BOMB: Ultimate BB

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:43 pm**

Is this from a favorite and hated standpoint or from an earnings standpoint for Hasbro?

Favorites and hated
Success:Masterpiece OP, alternators line, Classics Jetfire, Movie: BB 09 concept, longarm,dropkick, ironhide, leaderbrawl,leader op

bomb:movie payload, movie bonecrusher, any beastwars/machines toy(personally don't get the robots turning into flesh creatures)

revenue (based on cost analysis assumption not actual financials review)
Success: Movie line figures (NOT ULTIMATE CLASS), alternators
bomb: BB Ultimate, movie dreadwing (although I am one of the few that like his design)

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:47 pm**

Bomb: Movie Megatron, both leader and voyager (although I have the Best Buy one and he is alright)

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:30 pm**

bran10 wrote:success toy: concept bee
success line: alternators

bust: armada, energon, cybertron, crap.

That's some ignorant crap right there.

Armada sold really well. Many of the toys were only on the shelves once. Big names like Prime, Megatron, and Starscream could occasionally be difficult to find even during their release times.

Energon was at times wildly overproduced and other times wildly underproduced. It always sold out.

Cybertron was on the shelves selling consistantly for almost 2 years.

In no way shape or form are these lines crap, nor were they busts for the franchise. Without their impressive success and sales numbers, do you think we'd have seen a live action movie?

Hell no.

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:33 pm**

Counterpunch wrote:
bran10 wrote:success toy: concept bee
success line: alternators

bust: armada, energon, cybertron, crap.

That's some ignorant crap right there.

Armada sold really well. Many of the toys were only on the shelves once. Big names like Prime, Megatron, and Starscream could occasionally be difficult to find even during their release times.

Energon was at times wildly overproduced and other times wildly underproduced. It always sold out.

Cybertron was on the shelves selling consistantly for almost 2 years.

In no way shape or form are these lines crap, nor were they busts for the franchise. Without their impressive success and sales numbers, do you think we'd have seen a live action movie?

Hell no.

As always, your knowledge is superior!

And knowledge is power!

I'm not too keen on Armada nowadays, and Cybertron was kinda hit and miss for me. But I just can't get enough of Energon. So many excellent voyager figures! Great combiners!

It brought back scramble city style combiners in a big way, and I feel they did a great job with them.

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:39 pm**

Counterpunch wrote:
bran10 wrote:success toy: concept bee
success line: alternators

bust: armada, energon, cybertron, crap.

That's some ignorant crap right there.

QFT, The Unicron trilogy gave us some gorgeous molds. Comparing the three, I would say Armada is the weakest and even that line easily has more than a dozen great molds. Energon and Cybertron were pure gold in my opinion.

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:29 pm**

I know I already stated my point in my first post...but

Can't we ALL collectively say biggest BOMB

Star Wars TF more than anything else!! No one else has mentioned it. Was it because I already did?

come now, what has been worse than that? It seems like virtually no one bought those things. Even though I must say I sorta like them.

Waiting for them to go on sale in fact.

come one now, give me your best argument for worse than that! :grin:

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:41 pm**

skyblast wrote:come one now, give me your best argument for worse than that!

Posted: **Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:37 pm**

I think the biggest bomb was Star Wars TFs. Those vehicles just weren't made to be robots. And the heads just garner a "WTF" from me every time I see 'em. Although Death Star is awsome and I hear Millenium Falcon is pretty good too.

Best line? I think Alts. Great concept, intricate transformations and, for the most part, characters people care about.

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