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Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:48 pm**

So I got my first alternator today and it was everything I'd hoped for and more. The good news, I have more TFs I need to add to the collection. The bad news, I'm late to the game and these things are going for ridiculous prices. So my first order of business will hopefully be to at least acquire one of each mold.

So there's the background info...can someone help guide me to the different molds? I did do a little homework, I just need a few questions answered and some confirmation. Looks to me like there are 12 to 15 different molds. Here's what I came up with...biggest questions in parenthesis:

Acura RSX Prowl
Acura RSX Autobot Camshaft

(are these all the same?)
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Convertible Battle Ravage
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Autobot Tracks
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Swerve

Dodge Ram SRT-10 Optimus Prime
Dodge Ram SRT-10 Nemesis Prime

Dodge Viper Side Swipe
Dodge Viper Dead End
Dodge Viper Sunstreaker

Ford GT Mirage
Ford GT Rodimus

Ford Mustang GT Grimlock
Ford Mustang GT Wheeljack

(This different from the s2000?)
Honda Civic Si Decepticon Rumble

Honda S2000 Decepticharge
Honda S2000 Windcharger

Jaguar XK Ravage

Jeep Wrangler Autobot Hound
Jeep Wrangler Rollbar
Jeep Wrangler Swindle

Mazda RX-8 Meister/Jazz
Mazda RX-8 Shockblast

Scion xB Autobot Skids

(Is there a difference between the 'C' & 'X'?)
Subaru Impreza WRC Smokescreen
Subaru Impreza WRX Silverstreak
Subaru Impreza WRX Ricochet

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:54 pm**

You pretty much got although someone is gonna come along and point out something...

I just wanted to chime in cause yeah, outside of SideSwipe and SunStreaker, I only got one of each mold.

That is of course except for Rumble and Ravage because Walmart sucks at exclusives!

In retrospect, I wouldn't mind a WheelJack, ShockBlast, and BattleRavage though.

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:58 pm**

well, some of them are convertible versions.
If you don't care about that, or a different spoiler the they're all the same mold.

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:06 pm**

Jazzz wrote:well, some of them are convertible versions.
If you don't care about that, or a different spoiler the they're all the same mold.

At this point, no, I don't care about that. If they transform the same, I'd call them the same. Mainly I want to know if the Honda Civic is different than the s2000? And is the WRC different than the WRX?

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:11 pm**

NotEnoughKibble wrote:Acura RSX Autobot Camshaft

Did I miss something? Since when is there an Alt. Camshaft and why have I never heard of it before?

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:14 pm**

The Chaos Bringer wrote:
NotEnoughKibble wrote:Acura RSX Autobot Camshaft

Did I miss something? Since when is there an Alt. Camshaft and why have I never heard of it before?

Apparently since #23...

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:36 pm**

I'm never taking a day off from the online fandom ever again. Every time I do I miss out on a release.

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:39 pm**

Mostly minor differences. Gonna list them from memory, so I may make a mistake of forget something.

NotEnoughKibble wrote:Acura RSX Prowl
Acura RSX Autobot Camshaft

Prowl has a light bar, but that's pretty obvious

(are these all the same?)
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Convertible Battle Ravage
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Autobot Tracks
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Swerve

Different head for all 3. Plus ravage is a convertible. :wink:

Dodge Ram SRT-10 Optimus Prime
Dodge Ram SRT-10 Nemesis Prime

Same

Dodge Viper Side Swipe
Dodge Viper Dead End
Dodge Viper Sunstreaker

Side swipe's a convertible, also has a different head and trunk

Ford GT Mirage
Ford GT Rodimus

Slightly different head is all I think

Ford Mustang GT Grimlock
Ford Mustang GT Wheeljack

The head and wheeljack's rear spoiler

(This different from the s2000?)
Honda Civic Si Decepticon Rumble

The civic is completely different from the s2000. Doesn't have hands either, just piledriver's if that's an issue?

Honda S2000 Decepticharge
Honda S2000 Windcharger

D-charge has a different head, has a spoiler and a molded hard top. Windcharger has a molded closed soft top (actually hard plastic). Both come with a molded open soft top as well.

Jaguar XK Ravage

Turns into a cat not a bot.

Jeep Wrangler Autobot Hound
Jeep Wrangler Rollbar
Jeep Wrangler Swindle

Hound has a different head and smaller tires. Other two are the same.

Mazda RX-8 Meister/Jazz
Mazda RX-8 Shockblast

Jazz has 2 hands (Jazz hands

). Shockblast has a different spoiler and front bumper.

Scion xB Autobot Skids

A little surprising he never did get an alt repaint.

(Is there a difference between the 'C' & 'X'?)
Subaru Impreza WRC Smokescreen
Subaru Impreza WRX Silverstreak
Subaru Impreza WRX Ricochet

The WRC is the rally version, slightly different roof, hood scoop and bumpers and a larger spoiler. Little different head mold too. Other two whould be the same.

On another note, the Rx-8's and subarus have very similar transformations. They should be a little easier to find too if you only got 1 to start.

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:44 pm**

I couldn't said better than Retread. nice job.

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:46 pm**

Thanks!

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:48 pm**

Didn't Swindle have a brushbar?

And there wasn't a Skids repaint, or am I thinking Binaltech?

Posted: **Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:50 pm**

Skids had a repaint into BTA as Broadblast (Blaster). Skids' Alt and BT are different shades of blue.

http://www.seibertron.com/toys/fullsize.php?id=841&size=1&image=74

http://www.seibertron.com/toys/fullsize.php?id=788&size=1&image=66

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:35 am**

Liege Evilmus wrote:Didn't Swindle have a brushbar?

And there wasn't a Skids repaint, or am I thinking Binaltech?

Knew I'd forget something. Hound's front bumper doesn't have holes for the brush guard either.

Skids is a bit of a weird case. Probably one of the better molds, but it never sold very well. Alot of people seemed to not like the scion and skids wasn't a very popular. Line may have ended up differently if the had released him as blaster over here instead. Add a black jeep as trailbreaker in place of rollbar and that case assortment might not have warmed so many shelves.

Good luck with the hunt NotEnoughKibble. Don't know if the binaltech price might be comparable on some of the harder to find molds? You should consider picking up one or 2

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:24 am**

Acura RSX Prowl Alt+BT, police lights (BT version has slightly different (better) colours).
Acura RSX Prowl BT, Blue, no police lights.
Acura RSX Autobot Camshaft Alt+BT.
All have the same head.

Chevrolet Corvette C5 Convertible Battle Ravage Alt+BT, unique head.
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Autobot Tracks Alt+BT
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Autobot Tracks BT, same as above, but yellow.
Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Swerve Alt, unique head.

Dodge Ram SRT-10 Optimus Prime Alt + Kiss Play (KP came with girl+surfboard/sword)
Dodge Ram SRT-10 Nemesis Prime Alt+BT (both convention exclusives)
Both are identical molds.

Dodge Viper Side Swipe Alt+BT, convertable.
Dodge Viper Dead End Alt+BT.
Dodge Viper Sunstreaker Alt+BTA, comes with girl figure, unique head.

Ford GT Mirage Alt+'translucent' BT exclusive.
Ford GT Rodimus Alt (G1 style paint scheme) + Kiss Play (more realisitic style paint scheme), different head to mirage.

Ford Mustang GT Grimlock Alt+BT Unique head.
Ford Mustang GT Wheeljack Alt+BT Unique head.

(This different from the s2000? Completly different, yes.)
Honda Civic Si Decepticon Rumble Alt.

Honda S2000 Decepticharge Alt, unique head.
Honda S2000 Windcharger Alt (minus gun barrel) + BT ('Overdrive').

Jaguar XK Ravage Alt.

Jeep Wrangler Autobot Hound Alt+BT.
Jeep Wrangler Rollbar ALt.
Jeep Wrangler Swindle Alt+BT.
As far as Im aware, these all have the same head, can anybody confirm/deny that?

Mazda RX-8 Meister/Jazz Alt+BT
Mazda RX-8 Zoom Zoom BT.
Mazda RX-8 Shockblast Alt+BT Unique head.
Mazda RX-8 Autorooper Kiss Play, unique head.

Scion xB Autobot Skids Alt+BT
Scion xB Broadblast BTA.

Subaru Impreza WRC Smokescreen Alt+2 BT, rally build.
Subaru Impreza WRX Silverstreak Alt+BT, road build.
Subaru Impreza WRX Ricochet Alt, road build.
Subaru Impreza WRX Alert BTA, road version with police lights.

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I think thats everything.

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:00 am**

Unless you have a thousand dollars lying around, don't try to go for MISB collecting.
most alts will sell for between $5 and $15 when loose.. except for Swerve.

I've spend close to $3000 to collect all Alts, BT Asterisk and Kiss players, this includes a lot of doubles (I've got 5 Tracks')

I'm not even going to try to get all the Binaltechs as well but my only advise is, don't do it!

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:25 am**

Dodge Viper Side Swipe Alt+BT.
Dodge Viper Dead End Alt+BT, convertable.
Dodge Viper Sunstreaker Alt+BTA (BTA comes with girl figure).
As far as Im aware, these all have the same head, can anybody confirm/deny that?

Dead End is definitely not a convertible. I think he meant to put that designation in front of Sideswipe, because he's the only Viper 'vert.

The heads of Sunstreaker and Dead End are of the same mold, but have different coloring.

Sideswipe's head is completely different.

Also, for the Acura. Note that there is also a Blue version of BT Prowl. He has no light bar on this variation, nor does he have any police markings. He's commonly referred to as "undercover" Prowl.

Then, there's Wonder Fest Exclusive Black Convoy. You don't want to go there. He's like $500. The die cast version of the SRT-10 Ram. Very rare, I have ignored its existance ... as far as buying TF's anyway ...

Keep the variations coming people. There's always more!

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:33 pm**

AlienQuiksilver wrote:Also, for the Acura. Note that there is also a Blue version of BT Prowl. He has no light bar on this variation, nor does he have any police markings. He's commonly referred to as "undercover" Prowl.

I thought the BT Blue prowl had a lightbar? But from a quick google, looks like I'm wrong. Does look like they only made one lightbar mold, used on Prowl, Alert and Autorooper.

I know we're probably getting into more detail than the OP needs. ;;)

But another minor difference to note are different rims. Looking st the alts I have on hand, the vettes, vipers, mustangs and subarus have 2 sets each. Did they change the rims on every mold variation except the jeeps (same rims, different tires)?

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:37 pm**

Retread wrote:I know we're probably getting into more detail than the OP needs. But another minor difference to note are different rims. Looking st the alts I have on hand, the vettes, vipers, mustangs and subarus have 2 sets each. Did they change the rims on every mold variation except the jeeps (same rims, different tires)?

I got all the info I was looking for...and thanks to all that contributed! But by all means, feel free take the thread wherever yall would like and do with it what you choose.

Posted: **Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:53 pm**

I believe that it was forgotten to mention the differences between the two versions of him. The 2nd version has a missile launcher also the bumper was remolded. In the first version, there were 2 Alt and 2 BT each bearing with the numbers 7 & 8.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:42 am**

AlienQuiksilver wrote:
Dodge Viper Side Swipe Alt+BT.
Dodge Viper Dead End Alt+BT, convertable.
Dodge Viper Sunstreaker Alt+BTA (BTA comes with girl figure).
As far as Im aware, these all have the same head, can anybody confirm/deny that?

Dead End is definitely not a convertible. I think he meant to put that designation in front of Sideswipe, because he's the only Viper 'vert.

D'oh, see what tirdness and doing it in a rush does! Dead End's the only one of the three Vipers I have and I forgot he was a hard top!

AlienQuiksilver wrote:Also, for the Acura. Note that there is also a Blue version of BT Prowl. He has no light bar on this variation, nor does he have any police markings. He's commonly referred to as "undercover" Prowl.

Was that Alt+BT, or just BT?

AlienQuiksilver wrote:Then, there's Wonder Fest Exclusive Black Convoy. You don't want to go there. He's like $500. The die cast version of the SRT-10 Ram. Very rare, I have ignored its existance ... as far as buying TF's anyway ...

Mentioned, that's the BT one.

Edit: Edited the post.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:42 am**

Blue Prowl was just BT.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:53 am**

Redimus wrote:
D'oh, see what tirdness and doing it in a rush does! Dead End's the only one of the three Vipers I have and I forgot he was a hard top!

I figured it was hurried, you're usually dead nuts "on" with your info.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:44 pm**

AlienQuiksilver wrote:
Redimus wrote:
D'oh, see what tirdness and doing it in a rush does! Dead End's the only one of the three Vipers I have and I forgot he was a hard top!

I figured it was hurried, you're usually dead nuts "on" with your info.

You mean people have been reading this rubbish I write? oh crap. Im for it now!

Bonger wrote:Blue Prowl was just BT.

Rightio

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:23 pm**

Alternator Silverstreak has left/right side steering wheel variations. I don't think that there is any general difference in cost.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:42 pm**

The right-hand steering on Alt. Silverstreak is very rare. I have mentioned in several threads that I have one and I had to pay double for it. But in terms of Alt. vs. BT Silverstreak, they look identical except for that with the BT has only right-hand steering.

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