The Energon Pub

Well Seibertronians I hope this issue hasn't been brought up recently...so here we go.

As I was doing some TF maintanance (transforming) I was thinking of the soon to be here new Universe series. If there are others like me who were sick of ROTF line since day 1 and are just counting the days then hold fast brothers!! But we all have our hopes and one key thing that I hope is for Hasbro/TakaraTomy to be a little nicer when it comes to scale. For starters even Scorponoks for movies 1 and 2 should have been larger scale...voyager class at least. And even though I could care less about that line there's my hint of sympathy towards it. Besides my disappointment all around with one of my all time favs Universe Galvatron, his scale should have been at least equal to that of Megatron.

Now, even though I picked up Universe Powerglide his scale was just retarded. I felt if they re-released Universe Bumblebee and downsized him for Legends why couldn't they do it for Powerglide for scale sake? Or hell they could have used one of the molds for Superion Maximus' Skydive or Firefight. So in summation I was considering Henkei Tankor/Octane and chose not to get him. They should have made scale to that of Jetfire or even Prime. His scale just totally pisses over the good of getting him I think.

So where do you stand in regards to scale....to care or not to care?

Nuff' said.

Nemesis Destron wrote: So in summation I was considering Henkei Tankor/Octane and chose not to get him. They should have made scale to that of Jetfire or even Prime. His scale just totally pisses over the good of getting him I think.

So where do you stand in regards to scale....to care or not to care?

Octane's the same height as Astrotrain, and around 70% of the rest of the Henkei line. Admittedly his tanker mode is a little small and his plane mode is seriously small, but if he were scaled to either his robot mode would be too big.

Generally, I'm not too fussed about scale unless it's a ludicrous disparity (G1 Blaster, for instance.)

It does bother me but what can you do? If it bothers you so much that you miss out on good figures that's a real shame. This is why my Classics collection is divided into two different scales. The small scale figures aren't right there aren't yet enough to justify splitting into three scales yet. However, that's what will soon happen with my movie collection.

Scale does really bother me too much. They didn't do it right for G1 either. When it comes to Powerglide however, I don't mind it too much since in the cartoon he was the same size as everyone else. It bothers me because he's bigger than Starscream and the seekers.

I actually like the scale on Universe Galvatron. In robot mode he's exactly the right height when paired with Cyclonus, Titanium Scourge, and Label Soundwave, although Titanium Rodimus is taller than he is. To be the real scale for the tank mode, he might just have to be leader class. And, although he's much too small for the Voyager Prime and Megatron, the smaller sized ones might look right next to him (and that Megatron even transforms into a tank as well).

Scale is a huge issue for me. Even as a kid, I despised the combiners for looking ridiculously small against the Diaclones. It really takes away from the play value.

That's why I like KO's. The Oversized Robotmasters and Combaticons look very nice around the diaclones like G1 Prowl. Bruticus is exactly what G1 Bruticus and his repaints should have been while KO RM Wingstun is the same size as a deluxe jet and his colour scheme makes him a great partner for Acid Storm.

Basically if it doesn't look right with G1 Prowl and co, I don't want to know.

For the most part, with modern TF's I find the cars annoyingly big while the likes of Wrecker Hook and the Classics Triple Changers are annoyingly small. The oversized KO Tankor and Astrotrain are grails of mine since I discovered their existence.

I love the Basics because Clocker and Hard Top are of similar scale to Prowl.

I'd love to see some of the modern cars like Armada Sideswipe and Movie Barricade released as Scouts.

The KO Onslaught is the same size as G1 Ultra Magnus and looks great. I only wish Motormaster and Octane were the same size.

The only good thing is that I save money. Though Barricade and Classics Prowl have slipped in with a few others.

Cannot wait for Movie Breakdown.

its not so much scale as whether it transforms or not bumper battlers, robot replicas etc. as long as the transformation is decent i dont mind. but generally as a rule of thumb the smallest i go is deluxe unless a particular figure doesnt come any bigger than a legends class in which case it better be good. like ransack that guys amazing.

I'd like my figures to be in (believable) scale with each other, at least if there is a "set" of them. Movie Blackout, Bonecrusher, Deluxe Brawl, and Legends Barricade all look to be in scale with each other, so I opted not to get Leader Brawl or Deluxe Barricade. 1st Movie Starscream is a bit off, but since he's Starscream, it isn't that terrible.

ROTF Constructicons are a bit annoying, since Mixmaster is a bit too large (Demolisher/Scavenger is a bit small, but it isn't so glaring).

I've never been overly concerned with scale issues with my Transformers figures, though it's nice to have figures match up well in terms of relative size. However, ever since getting into Gundam model kits, I've gained an appreciation for good scale for figures. The 1/144 models, for example, all look "right" next to each other because they all adhere to 1/144 dimensions.

With Transformers, size of the figure depends mainly on its "size class", which seems to change somewhat from line to line. Even so, things still get out of whack. I end up mixing and matching characters from different lines to try to get good scale.

Another topic that was bugging me too. Scale comparison.

For most henkei/universe/classics, the figs were at par with the original G1. G1 Grimlock,Astrotrain and even Octane more or less a few millimeters are at scale with the originals.

Galvatron on the otherhand, let's blame TFA (I'm quoting the original japanese designers at Takara) the release of TFA Shockwave had more or less a drastic effect on the final release. Yes he should have been the size of a Powerglide (Didn't they do that for Energon?(2 Galvatron sizes?)while Powerglide should have been Superion appendage size and Skyfire the size of Powerglide and so on..........somethings the corporate decisions on how the final product comes out beffudles me.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I actually like the scale on Universe Galvatron. In robot mode he's exactly the right height when paired with Cyclonus, Titanium Scourge, and Label Soundwave, although Titanium Rodimus is taller than he is. To be the real scale for the tank mode, he might just have to be leader class. And, although he's much too small for the Voyager Prime and Megatron, the smaller sized ones might look right next to him (and that Megatron even transforms into a tank as well).

That's why I have two Classics collections. Delux Prime leads the small scale, voyager Prime leads the larg scale.

The scale issues with Tranformers bothers me, however much less now than before. Scale is the reason why I passed on Bonecrusher from the first movie. I just couldn't stand how out of scale he was with the autobots. However, since the second movie came out and I have a bigger income, I've been wanting to get a toy for each character that appears in the movies, hence why I ended up ordering Bonecrusher online recently.

Anyway, if Transformers were in the scale that I desired them to be, they'd be about a 1:50 scale. I measured the Transformers from the films based on the real life size of their vehicle modes (not necessarily the size that their robot forms end up being, due to mass-shifting and design discrepancies). Based on these measurements of mine, the following characters would be closer to these corresponding size classes:

Scout: Car characters (Bumblebee, Barricade, Sideswipe, etc.)
Scout/Deluxe: Ratchet (Smaller than average deluxe, but taller than average scout)
Deluxe: Ironhide, Wreckage
Voyager: Optimus Prime, Brawl, Bonecrusher, Mixmaster, Rampage
Leader: Megatron, Long Haul
Leader/Supreme: Starscream, The Fallen (A bit taller than average leader)
Supreme: Blackout, Demolisher, Jetfire

If the movie characters showed up in these size classes, that would have been awesome

But alas...

I'm one of those who can't understand why Cars HAVE to be Scout class.

#1 ) The majority of car figures for the past ten years have been DELUXE class

#2 ) If the cars were Scout, what size would the motorcycles and the like be? Legend? Minicon?

#3 ) This is a toy line. Based on a mix-and-match jumble of multiple 80's Japanese toy lines. Actually having a coherent scale within any given TF toy line would actually IRK me after all this time...

Eh..? I have no problem with cars in the deluxe class. Deluxe is actually my favorite size class of Transformers and has been since I started collecting them about 11 years ago. In fact, when trying to figure out reasonable size classes for the movie characters, I first tried to base them around having deluxe class cars (about 1:35 scale), but characters like Blackout and Starscream ended up being just too slaggin' big.

As for motorcycle characters, deluxe Chromia and Arcee were easy passes for me because they were insanely big (although their bizarre robot forms aren't doing them any favors). Even scout sized motorcycles are ridiculously large next to deluxe cars. I for one cannot wait to get legends Arcee because her scale is more in line with the cars. I remember being excited about displaying legends Animated Prowl next to some of the deluxe cars I've acquired over the years.

Transmetal Waspinator wrote:Scout: Car characters (Bumblebee, Barricade, Sideswipe, etc.)
Scout/Deluxe: Ratchet (Smaller than average deluxe, but taller than average scout)
Deluxe: Ironhide, Wreckage
Voyager: Optimus Prime, Brawl, Bonecrusher, Mixmaster, Rampage
Leader: Megatron, Long Haul
Leader/Supreme: Starscream, The Fallen (A bit taller than average leader)
Supreme: Blackout, Demolisher, Jetfire

I agree. Trouble is the CGI robots are (in the case of Blackout and SS) way too small. Unless, in the case of Blackout, you assume he's mostly empty inside.

I think I'll add this:

Scout bikes are in scale with Human Alliance. My Ravage is with them but he would need to be scout to fit properly.

I tend to look at my collection on an individual basis. I ignore scale and enjoy them for what they are. Sure some of them are bigger than others, but that doesn't affect my enjoyment of them. For the most part they sit on the shelf, I take one down to transform a few times, shoot the dog with a missle, and put it back. I am not setting up "realistic" battle scenes on my kitchen table and simulating a war.

It's tough to figure scale in TF, because you need to decide if you want to scale the alt modes or the bot modes, and even then the bot modes sort of shift around in the shows.

I'm a bit of a scale nazi, but for the TF stuff I decided to scale based on bot modes, A) because it is easier, and B) because you would need to have scout class cars with MP sized planes for anything else to work.

I try to scale based on their relative heights in the G1 cartoon. As mentioned, that shifts around a little, and the "proper" scales are not always available. The seekers (and most of the Decepticons really) should be voyagers, but such things are not available, even as a KO.

In my perfect world, the Autobots would be mainly Deluxe, Decepticons & Dinobots mainly voyagers. Prime & Megs (maybe guys like Shockwave too) would be ultra class with lights & sounds and junk, Minibots would be great as Scout classes, and Jetfire would be a Leader Class. That would leave room for the city-bots to be around in the super gigantor sizes. Whatever Unicron and RotF Devistator are.

Mykltron wrote:Scout bikes are in scale with Human Alliance. My Ravage is with them but he would need to be scout to fit properly.

Oh, they also scale with Alternators. I have my Scout class Bikes in with my Alts, which have their own shelf.

Does anyone have pictures of TFs scaled correctly together in vehicle and bot mode? It gets talked a lot about, but I haven't seen pictures of anyone who attempted to get a scene with scale done realistically. I'm curious to see how it'd look.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Does anyone have pictures of TFs scaled correctly together in vehicle and bot mode? It gets talked a lot about, but I haven't seen pictures of anyone who attempted to get a scene with scale done realistically. I'm curious to see how it'd look.

I think I saw a silhouette scale thing of ROTF vehicles but I don't know how to find it.

What are you actually asking for? A pic of someone's collection laid out by scale?

Mykltron wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Does anyone have pictures of TFs scaled correctly together in vehicle and bot mode? It gets talked a lot about, but I haven't seen pictures of anyone who attempted to get a scene with scale done realistically. I'm curious to see how it'd look.

I think I saw a silhouette scale thing of ROTF vehicles but I don't know how to find it.

What are you actually asking for? A pic of someone's collection laid out by scale?

Yeah, a pic of someone's collection laid out by the scale of their vehicles. I see this topic a lot, but has anyone actually made their collection laid out like this? If so, I'd be curious to see how it looked.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Mykltron wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Does anyone have pictures of TFs scaled correctly together in vehicle and bot mode? It gets talked a lot about, but I haven't seen pictures of anyone who attempted to get a scene with scale done realistically. I'm curious to see how it'd look.

I think I saw a silhouette scale thing of ROTF vehicles but I don't know how to find it.

What are you actually asking for? A pic of someone's collection laid out by scale?

Yeah, a pic of someone's collection laid out by the scale of their vehicles. I see this topic a lot, but has anyone actually made their collection laid out like this? If so, I'd be curious to see how it looked.

As I said a few times in this thread and others, some of mine IS laid out like this. I doubt I'll have time to give you a pic today but I'll try and do it soon!

Cool. It'll be interesting to see how it'd actually look all together.

Here are some pics for you. They are large so you'll need to right click and select 'view image'.

Small scale Classics (Starscream shouldn't be in here, MP Starscream is in scale with this range):




Large scale Classics:




Small scale Movieverse:




Large scale Movieverse (Megatron and Jetfire are too small):

Nice. Gotta admit, having scaled bots adds something to the collection. Thanks for sharing, Mykltron.