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Youtuber and Seibertron member peaugh has conducted a video review of the upcoming Transformers Voyager Class Generations Lugnut.

Check out the video below:


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Looks preety cool. Cant wait to pick it up.

Surprisingly juicy in my eyes. His bald head reminds me of that Eustace guy from Courage the Cowardly Dog. Crappy show. Otherwise, I'm absolutely thinking of getting him. Once again, Peaugh conducts another awesome review. Good job, I say!

Okay, I'm won over. Now that I know his body transforms better than the official pics and he's more solid, I'm impressed.

He makes me think of Blackout with the way the cockpit splits. Not enough weaponry but I may have to buy him.

he looks so awesome, but i can't figure out where to put him? is lugnut part of the movieverse line or the classics/universe/generations line?

chrisc4 wrote:he looks so awesome, but i can't figure out where to put him? is lugnut part of the movieverse line or the classics/universe/generations line?

Movieverse. Both he and Lockdown were released in movieverse packaging. N.E.S.T. for Lockdown, and HFTD/RTS is a continuation of N.E.S.T.

Wouldn't fit Generations, he's a Voyager, and the line is Deluxe only.

I don't even need to watch a video review to know this is a must-buy!

And I also remember reading a quote from someone at Hasbro saying that Generations figures would all be Deluxe, so this must be a Reveal the Shield or whatever.

Autobot032 wrote:

chrisc4 wrote:he looks so awesome, but i can't figure out where to put him? is lugnut part of the movieverse line or the classics/universe/generations line?

Movieverse. Both he and Lockdown were released in movieverse packaging. N.E.S.T. for Lockdown, and HFTD/RTS is a continuation of N.E.S.T.

Wouldn't fit Generations, he's a Voyager, and the line is Deluxe only.

I have to say, I'm a bit confused as I thought you were at one point one of the people who argued against boxes defining how a toy should be treated. (I may be wrong about that and if I am...oops.)

The "Generations" line means nothing and the "Reveal the Shield" line means nothing. We have a mix of toys appearing in both lines. While I can buy the argument that Lockdown is probably meant to be a movie-verse toy, Lugnut seems to have been designed to go either way. He has smooth if complicated joints and movements in his transformation and not a lot of paneling or folding (things that really seem to mark the movie line toys).

If we're going to get a Classics style Lugnut, this is it.

The figure looks bad-ass !!!

Nuff said...

Awesome update to Lugnut, although that is a strange place for the missle launcher especially without the tail detaching. I hope there is a better official deployment of it because it just looks very awkward. Peaugh also has a video of Tracks.

Love that figure. Def. getting the Takara one though.

If I was Peaugh, I probably would have reshot the section where he was complaining about the robot-mode aesthetics whilst, in actuality, having it mistransformed. It was making me a little lukwarm on getting the figure, considering how psyched I was before - and I nearly stopped the video before the addendum!

Classic Peaugh though, reminds me of the time I nearly didn't buy Animated Swindle because he had it mistransformed and said it didn't roll. I was creasing myself when I got it home and realised that it rolls beautifully...

Meh, can't wait to see his reviews of "stollen" TF3 figures like he did with ROTF. That time is coming very soon I would think...

At first I was hesitant when I saw the big gap between his head and his shoulders, but once the corrected transformation was shown, I was completely sold. He still may be a bit on the small side, scale-wise, but with the way his transformation was engineered, he's definitely a must-buy!

Does the trick with the gun still work when his back is fixed?

I think this will look quite nice next to my henkei Voyager Megatron. Lugnut will be so happy being at his glorious leader's side!

Wow! He is that much shorter than Lockdown? I know Lockdown is extraordinary tall as a deluxe class but Lugnut is a voyager class. He looks tempting now but I'm still not sure if he fit well with my classics or not.

HA i called this back when we seen pics from kotoys. It may have been later than i predicted but i knew peaugh would get ahold of it...

also theres a video review of Reveal The Shield Tracks up too

Counterpunch wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

chrisc4 wrote:he looks so awesome, but i can't figure out where to put him? is lugnut part of the movieverse line or the classics/universe/generations line?

Movieverse. Both he and Lockdown were released in movieverse packaging. N.E.S.T. for Lockdown, and HFTD/RTS is a continuation of N.E.S.T.

Wouldn't fit Generations, he's a Voyager, and the line is Deluxe only.

I have to say, I'm a bit confused as I thought you were at one point one of the people who argued against boxes defining how a toy should be treated. (I may be wrong about that and if I am...oops.)

The "Generations" line means nothing and the "Reveal the Shield" line means nothing. We have a mix of toys appearing in both lines. While I can buy the argument that Lockdown is probably meant to be a movie-verse toy, Lugnut seems to have been designed to go either way. He has smooth if complicated joints and movements in his transformation and not a lot of paneling or folding (things that really seem to mark the movie line toys).

If we're going to get a Classics style Lugnut, this is it.

Agreed. Otherwise, we all might as well refer to Special Ops Jazz and Turbo Tracks as "Movie" figures since they're also coming out in the yellow packaging.

Counterpunch wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

chrisc4 wrote:he looks so awesome, but i can't figure out where to put him? is lugnut part of the movieverse line or the classics/universe/generations line?

Movieverse. Both he and Lockdown were released in movieverse packaging. N.E.S.T. for Lockdown, and HFTD/RTS is a continuation of N.E.S.T.

Wouldn't fit Generations, he's a Voyager, and the line is Deluxe only.

I have to say, I'm a bit confused as I thought you were at one point one of the people who argued against boxes defining how a toy should be treated. (I may be wrong about that and if I am...oops.)

The "Generations" line means nothing and the "Reveal the Shield" line means nothing. We have a mix of toys appearing in both lines. While I can buy the argument that Lockdown is probably meant to be a movie-verse toy, Lugnut seems to have been designed to go either way. He has smooth if complicated joints and movements in his transformation and not a lot of paneling or folding (things that really seem to mark the movie line toys).

If we're going to get a Classics style Lugnut, this is it.

Agreed. He'll be going with my Classics 'Cons, just like Lockdown does.

Lugnut is so bought. He's one of the figures I'm most excited about from this line. I like the waist gun option, I hope it can still be done with the fixed transformation. Either way, there's enough joints there I can display him however I want.

IMO he's designed for classic-verse. He just doesn't have the movie-verse feel to him (he's seems to have a different aesthetic to Lockdown). It seems he is also part of the Japanese "United" line which appears to be only classic-verse style figs. Here's the "United" lineup on BBTS:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/sear ... ers+united

Okay, let me try and explain my thinking here.

In the beginning, the boxes were considered color coded by some (including me).

Red: Generations (Deluxe only line, with G1 updates and new designs such as WFC. Aimed at collectors and old skool fans.)

Yellow: Hunt For The Decepticons (Legends, Scout, Deluxe, Voyager, Leader, has a mix of both movieverse and C.H.U.G. Aimed at a middle point. Good for both collector/fan types and accessible for kids. Generations is fine for kids as well, but most of the figures in that line are aimed solely at us, where as HFTD is clearly aimed at everyone.)

Red/Blue: Power Core Combiners (Clearly aimed at kids, though some older fans do embrace them and the idea.)

This all started with ROTF toys.

ROTF became N.E.S.T., which included Lockdown.

N.E.S.T. became HFTD, which included Battle Hooks Prime, Starscream, Deluxe Class Ironhide, Battle Blade Bumblebee, and Battle Ops Bumblebee, Sidearm Sideswipe, the Voyager Class Ratchet repaint, the Deluxe Class Ratchet repaint and Elita-1 among others, all clearly movieverse figures.

HFTD had figures that were C.H.U.G. in nature, start to trickle in, such as Sea Spray, however, a lot of folks complained that he had too much of the movie aesthetic for them to fully classify him as a Classics figure. (NOTE: I didn't say all people did, but a few. I didn't say their answer was the right one, just that they mentioned it.) So I'm not entirely sure you couldn't classify him as both movieverse and Classic. Anyway...

HFTD is now shifting over into Reveal The Shield, and more C.H.U.G. molds and inspired molds are taking the lead in the line, but it's start was in the movieverse. Even though Lugnut has a C.H.U.G. feel, and is being sold under the United label in Japan, he's very much like his Animated to movie brother, Lockdown. More complex, more realistic, and both coming out of a line spawned out of the movieverse toyline.

That's why I said he was movieverse and not a part of Classics. If you follow the color code, and look at it from a logical standpoint, he's really a movieverse figure.

Now, I realize that they'll be phasing the movieverse designs out, more and more as RTS progresses, but they won't cut them out completely, not with DOTM coming this summer and they'll need to fire up the movieverse all over again. This will allow them to keep the movieverse alive and fresh and in people's minds and will allow the transition to be much easier than it had been before.

You know, fall in love with a line only to have it abruptly end to make room for the movie, then restarting it with a new name once the movie's died down?

I don't think it'll be as hard on us as it was in the past because of this shifting lines idea of their's. Keeps it all on the table and gives access to the multiverse of figures and designs.

Does Lugnut look like a Classics style figure? For the most part, yes. But he's really a mishmash caught between both universes and aside from his size, that makes him perfect for RTS. It's that middle of the road thing.

You may not agree with me, that's fine, but this is why I say he's movieverse. Until Hasbro comes forward and says he's not, I'll continue to look at him as just that.

Oh, and we can't rely on Takara's offerings, because they're releasing different size classes under the United label, where Hasbro is clearly not. At least not all of it in one line.

The only thing I feel doesn't work in your post, Autobot032, is that you're partly basing it on the packaging color...but they're phasing out the red packaging for deluxes. So HFTD & Generations are essentially merging into yellow-packaged RTS, because both styles of figures are being released under it. Otherwise, you could say Turbo Tracks & Jazz are Moviverse if you base it on the packaging, but they're clearly not. So from that viewpoint, Lugnut could go either way.

kirbenvost wrote:The only thing I feel doesn't work in your post, Autobot032, is that you're partly basing it on the packaging color...but they're phasing out the red packaging for deluxes. So HFTD & Generations are essentially merging into yellow-packaged RTS, because both styles of figures are being released under it. Otherwise, you could say Turbo Tracks & Jazz are Moviverse if you base it on the packaging, but they're clearly not. So from that viewpoint, Lugnut could go either way.

They're phasing out Generations packaging? Where and when was this said?

Autobot032 wrote:

kirbenvost wrote:The only thing I feel doesn't work in your post, Autobot032, is that you're partly basing it on the packaging color...but they're phasing out the red packaging for deluxes. So HFTD & Generations are essentially merging into yellow-packaged RTS, because both styles of figures are being released under it. Otherwise, you could say Turbo Tracks & Jazz are Moviverse if you base it on the packaging, but they're clearly not. So from that viewpoint, Lugnut could go either way.

They're phasing out Generations packaging? Where and when was this said?

I forget when/what site posted it first, but here's a story on tformers (first thing that came up in google, apologies if I'm not supposed to be posting links to other sites): http://tformers.com/transformers-reveal-the-shield-deluxe-wave-1-jazz-fallback-tracks-mindset-in-package/14412/news.html