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I'm all for Masterpiece Maximals and Predicons. Aerial Attack Optimus Primal is a good example of a MP Scaled Maximal, and he's accurate. But could this happen in the future? Maybe when the Masterpiece line is done with it's G1 run, It can gun for Beast Wars and Beast Machines. Id'e love a massive (as he should be) and accurate toy version of Rhinox, Optimal Optimus (though I think he kinda already qualifies) And a Megatron of some sort. Maybe a BM Megatron complete with Cloak? I Just think it's a fun concept to fiddle with, but could it work? Would you even want it? I mean, after more MP Dinobots, Seekers, Convoys, maybe Magnus, megatron and others, a few years down the line, could it be a reality?

In terms of both show-accuracy and scale, the Beast Wars Telemocha Series figures of convoy (Optimus Primal) and Megatron are such definitive representations of the characters that they can pretty much be considered Masterpieces in their own right. Why, they're even scaled to perfectly fit with the MP-1/MP-4 Convoy (Optimus Prime) mold and the MP-5 Megatron mold.

And, hey, who says all MPs need to be gargantuan-sized w/ die cast anyway?

Sabrblade wrote:And, hey, who says all MPs need to be gargantuan-sized w/ die cast anyway?

Not I
But I still long to own an accurate BM Megatron. The ones released by Telemocha didn't really include Beast Machines. I Want a Beast Machines Megatron that's accurate to a T.

THIS, Not that THING we got...
I Also don't really like the deluxe RID Release either. One with Battle armor, and a slip out dragon mode would be pretty cool, Or just Optimal Optimus with a Megatron head? Works to a certain level I guess, but will never work to be a decent BM megatron. A Decent BM Megatron was never maid. The BM Megatron we got was a...BM...

my opinion below,i state nothing as fact.

it's not a question of could it happen. it's a question of should it happen.

personally i don't think it should happen. because of size scale media issues. in order for the beastwars media characters to be in size scale with G-1 media characters in the masterpiece TF toy line. the beastwars MP TF toys would need to be legends or basic sized MP TF toys to be in proper media size scale.

I also don't think the beastwars toy designs meet the standards of the masterpiece TF toy line.

lastly,IMHO,The beastwars toy line/show is so out of the spot light that some loathe it,some are not familiar with it,some newbies don't care to get familar with it. un-like G-1 that is timeless & loved by a big majority of people. the beastwars has a small following & those followers might not want MP Beastwars toys due to media size scale issues in relation to G-1 Media scaled MP TF toys.

The MP line is aimed at collectors more anyway. Yeah, they qualify as "toys" on the shelf at TRU and Walmart, but they're more sophisticated than being flung around and played with all the time like some deluxe. MPs are display pieces.

Anyway, I think there should be a BW MP line. If the engineering is possible to make them accurate, absolutely.

One twist I would love to see is the order they get released is the same order they go in the Hall of Fame. That means BWMP-01 would be Dinobot and BWMP-02 would be Waspinator.

I can't wait to utter the phrase "I own a Masterpiece Waspinator!"

Could it Happen? How big is Beast Wars in Japan? I honestly don't know, but I doubt it'll happen. I know there are currently no plans for anything like that if you're to believe a reliable 'Takara insider' that frequents another site... Only G1 characters and only ones of 'commander' status or their repaints will get MP treatment.

BeastProwl wrote:But I still long to own an accurate BM Megatron. The ones released by Telemocha didn't really include Beast Machines.

...Because it was Beast Wars Telemocha Series.

And, you asked about Maximals and Predacons, whereas BM Megatron is a Vehicon.

Tidalwavex wrote:it's not a question of could it happen. it's a question of should it happen.

personally i don't think it should happen. because of size scale media issues. in order for the beastwars media characters to be in size scale with G-1 media characters in the masterpiece TF toy line.

which is exactly why I brought up the Beast wars Telemocha Series toys, which are perfectly scaled to interact with the two larger MP molds.

Tidalwavex wrote:the beastwars MP TF toys would need to be legends or basic sized MP TF toys to be in proper media size scale.

Not THAT small. Remember that the G1 characters were not so insanely tall like the Unicron Trilogy or movie bots. The current toy scale of the Beast wars toys is scaled just fine to the two largest of the Masterpiece molds.

Plus, don't forget about the time Optimus Primal and Megatron grew giant sized to be of the same height as the Autobots and Decepticons.

Tidalwavex wrote:I also don't think the beastwars toy designs meet the standards of the masterpiece TF toy line.

Masterpiece Beast wars toy molds would, hence them being, you know, Masterpieces.

Tidalwavex wrote:lastly,IMHO,The beastwars toy line/show is so out of the spot light that some loathe it,some are not familiar with it,some newbies don't care to get familar with it. un-like G-1 that is timeless & loved by a big majority of people. the beastwars has a small following & those followers might not want MP Beastwars toys due to media size scale issues in relation to G-1 Media scaled MP TF toys.

You underestimate the Beast Era and overestimate G1. Those who hate Beast Wars are largely outweigh by those who like it, those who don't know of it are likely those who don't know of G1 either, and as evidenced by this thread, G1 is not as well loved as many believe.

Rodimus Prime wrote:One twist I would love to see is the order they get released is the same order they go in the Hall of Fame. That means BWMP-01 would be Dinobot and BWMP-02 would be Waspinator.

Now there's an idea! though, one minor quibble about it is that it would become expected for each nominated Hall of Fame winner to be given a Masterpiece each year. It would becoem a bit repetitive over time, and if it were to be in production early enough for it to be released in time for the Hall of Fame event, there could very well be factory leaks put onto the Internet, thus spoiling who the winner would be. But, if it were to be produced after the event, then we'd be waiting quite a while for the winner of an event that took place a while to be released in MP form.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I can't wait to utter the phrase "I own a Masterpiece Waspinator!"

LOL. Though, my Telemocha Waspeeter works fine for that.

I'd like to see a season 1 megatron done, as it'd be good to get him at a decent size, and I'd love to see him have 2 hands.
I use to think, they won't do another t-rex, but here they're doing another optimus and another starscream. So why not?

Sabrblade wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:But I still long to own an accurate BM Megatron. The ones released by Telemocha didn't really include Beast Machines.

...Because it was Beast Wars Telemocha Series.

And, you asked about Maximals and Predacons, whereas BM Megatron is a Vehicon.

In the US toy line, yes. But in the show, he didn't really have a faction, and he never called himself a "Vehicon" as that's the name he's given to his Drones. Heck, in the Japanese Beast Wars Returns toy line he wasn't called a Vehicon at all. Observe:

BR-05 Megatron
BR-06 Vehicon Tankor
BR-07 Vehicon Jetstorm
BR-08 Vehicon Thrust
BR-13 Vehicon Strika
BR-14 Vehicon Obisidian

Back to you.

Case and point, BM Megs needs an update

I wouldn't mind it but only if they do characters that the MP scale will work with deluxe Generations figures. Meaning, I'd love an MP-Tigerhawk, Depthcharge, Rampage, Optimal Optimus, TM2 Megatron, & so forth. That way they could co-exist with current BW figures instead of having MP figures that look out of place everywhere. Just my thoughts..

Sabrblade wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:it's not a question of could it happen. it's a question of should it happen.

personally i don't think it should happen. because of size scale media issues. in order for the beastwars media characters to be in size scale with G-1 media characters in the masterpiece TF toy line.

which is exactly why I brought up the Beast wars Telemocha Series toys, which are perfectly scaled to interact with the two larger MP molds.

Tidalwavex wrote:the beastwars MP TF toys would need to be legends or basic sized MP TF toys to be in proper media size scale.

Not THAT small. Remember that the G1 characters were not so insanely tall like the Unicron Trilogy or movie bots. The current toy scale of the Beast wars toys is scaled just fine to the two largest of the Masterpiece molds.

Plus, don't forget about the time Optimus Primal and Megatron grew giant sized to be of the same height as the Autobots and Decepticons.

This is my mere opinion below,I state nothing as fact below.

1- I was referring to the Beastwars cartoon media size scale In relation to G-1 cartoon size scale. I wasn't referring to the BW toy size scale in relation to G-1 toys size scale.

2- In the season 2 of Beastwars some of the maximals were only a foot of three taller than the pre-humans. In the agenda episodes,the maximals & predacons were barely the size of the Generation one transformers robot heads.

3- When Optimal primal grew into his optimal optimus body & BW Megatron grew into his bigger TM2 body. TM2 Megatron & Optimal optimus still were not Bigger or the same size of G-1 Optimus prime & G-1 Megatron. as clearly shown in various season 3 BW episodes when optimal optimus returns G-1 Optimus primes spark. and when TM2 Megatron returns G-1 Megatron's spark.

3a-from the Beastwars season 3 scenes footage,I'd say optimal optimus was one-fourth the size of G-1 Optimus prime. TM2 Megatron was clearly smaller than optimal optimus. So TM2 Megatron was about one-fifth the size of G-1 Megatron.

4-I only consider the Mainframe Beastwars episodes as "CANON" for size for BW characters in relation to G-1 characters size scale.

4a- I don't count any of that Takara Robot masters DVD episodes as proof of any size scale. I also don't count any comics size scale as proof of size scale. these were made years later & I only count mainframe CGI Beastwars episodes as size scale proof/canon.

5-as for your statement that the AEC & MOVIE verse media/cartoon/movie Transformers are way BIGGER IN SIZE SCALE COMPARED TO Generation one G-1 transformers media characters. HAVE YOU SEEN THE G-1 CARTOON EPISODES/MOVIES,WHERE THE G-1 TRANSFORMERS ARE SHOWN IN SIZE SCALE NEXT TO HUMANS,BUILDINGS,SCULPTURES,STREET OBJECTS,MOUNTAINS,OTHER BACK GROUND OBJECTS???????????????????

5A-The AEC & MOVIE VERSE MEDIA Cartoon/movie Transformers characters are shown way smaller than Generation one media cartoon characters. based off the G-1 cartoon characters stand next to humans,buildings,sculptures,street objects,back ground objects,mountains,street lights,etc.......

5b-please don't cite any of those size scale charts created by fellow fans or from so-called official books. because these are in-accurate. I ONLY TRUST MY EYES & WHAT I SEE AS FAR AS SIZE SCALE GOES BY WATCHING THE ACTUAL HASBRO TF CARTOONS. I HAVE 20/20 EYE VISION & CAN JUDGE SIZE SCALES BY LOOKING AT transformers heights in various different cartoon series by seeing how big the robotas are next to humans,buildings,steet objects,sculptures,statues,steet lights/objects,mountains,animals,etc...

I bet your mind was really blown watching the G1 cartoon then with all of the mistakes in it.

amcgrath929 wrote:I bet your mind was really blown watching the G1 cartoon then with all of the mistakes in it.

Every transformers cartoon from 1984 thru 2011 has mistakes in it. even the CGI transformers cartoons/movies.

Answer to your question,No,I don't care about stuff like that. I'm no trivia guy. I prefer just to watch the TF cartoon & enjoy them. I don't feel the need to memorize stuff & compete in trivia contest or get quized by others.

I have a very good memory. I only need to see something once & I remember it for a life time. I remember stuff I did when I was three years old. I have what they call a video/picture memory. I can remember & see stuff that happened 20 plus years ago like i'm watching a video in my mind.

Tidalwavex wrote:

amcgrath929 wrote:I bet your mind was really blown watching the G1 cartoon then with all of the mistakes in it.

Every transformers cartoon from 1984 thru 2011 has mistakes in it. even the CGI transformers cartoons/movies.

Answer to your question,No,I don't care about stuff like that. I'm no trivia guy. I prefer just to watch the TF cartoon & enjoy them. I don't feel the need to memorize stuff & compete in trivia contest or get quized by others.

I have a very good memory. I only need to see something once & I remember it for a life time. I remember stuff I did when I was three years old. I have what they call a video/picture memory. I can remember & see stuff that happened 20 plus years ago like i'm watching a video in my mind.

So what you meant to say, again, was that you do memorize things. You just do so involuntarily.

MP Beast Wars? Yes please. I'll bet that as time goes on as the Beast Wars generation of fans grows up, we'll see more and more Beast Wars homages etc. just like we have with G1.

I grew up with G1, I'm now 32 years old, but Beast Wars is my absolute favorite fiction from the entire TF franchise. I think it will see a revival one day.

xyl360 wrote:MP Beast Wars? Yes please. I'll bet that as time goes on as the Beast Wars generation of fans grows up, we'll see more and more Beast Wars homages etc. just like we have with G1.

I grew up with G1, I'm now 32 years old, but Beast Wars is my absolute favorite fiction from the entire TF franchise. I think it will see a revival one day.

Maybe a 20th year anniversary deal? We just got the 15th year deal a few years back. I bought rat-trap, and was puzzled as to why his back was upside-down...

BeastProwl wrote:

xyl360 wrote:MP Beast Wars? Yes please. I'll bet that as time goes on as the Beast Wars generation of fans grows up, we'll see more and more Beast Wars homages etc. just like we have with G1.

I grew up with G1, I'm now 32 years old, but Beast Wars is my absolute favorite fiction from the entire TF franchise. I think it will see a revival one day.

Maybe a 20th year anniversary deal? We just got the 15th year deal a few years back. I bought rat-trap, and was puzzled as to why his back was upside-down...

In the show it was turned upside-down. You know, creative liberties?

Tidalwavex wrote:I HAVE 20/20 EYE VISION

AS DO I!!!
Doesn't mean I don't have an open mind and a matching imagination. Don't /RANT/ about how this is out of context either, because it really isn't. quoting and posting your entire message would probably crash the pentigon's supercomputers...
ANYWAY, Robotmasters is official canon, and in Robot Masters, they are the same size. The reason for this is due to the inter-dementional pull. So, they are bigger in that demension. That's just how it works. use you imagination and your photographic memory to enjoy the fact that they CAN be the same size, if the situation demands it.

BeastProwl wrote:ANYWAY, Robotmasters is official canon,

In the Japanese continuity, though. Not the U.S. one.

BeastProwl wrote:and in Robot Masters, they are the same size. The reason for this is due to the inter-dementional pull. So, they are bigger in that demension. That's just how it works. use you imagination and your photographic memory to enjoy the fact that they CAN be the same size, if the situation demands it.

And that can also explain why Star Saber and Victory Leo, who are supposed to be gestalt-sized, appear to have shrunken down to average G1 Transformer height.

Sabrblade wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:ANYWAY, Robotmasters is official canon,

In the Japanese continuity, though. Not the U.S. one.

BeastProwl wrote:and in Robot Masters, they are the same size. The reason for this is due to the inter-dementional pull. So, they are bigger in that demension. That's just how it works. use you imagination and your photographic memory to enjoy the fact that they CAN be the same size, if the situation demands it.

And that can also explain why Star Saber and Victory Leo, who are supposed to be gestalt-sized, appear to have shrunken down to average G1 Transformer height.

Imagination's great, right?

Tidalwavex wrote:I also don't think the beastwars toy designs meet the standards of the masterpiece TF toy line.

Going by that logic there shouldn't be MP figures based on G1 characters, since BW engineering blows G1 out of the water and violates it while calling it My little Pony names.

Dead Metal wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:I also don't think the beastwars toy designs meet the standards of the masterpiece TF toy line.

Going by that logic there shouldn't be MP figures based on G1 characters, since BW engineering blows G1 out of the water and violates it while calling it My little Pony names.

Sabrblade wrote:Plus, don't forget about the time Optimus Primal and Megatron grew giant sized to be of the same height as the Autobots and Decepticons.

Damn, that monkey is as huge as a jet!

Sabrblade wrote:Plus, don't forget about the time Optimus Primal and Megatron grew giant sized to be of the same height as the Autobots and Decepticons.

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This is new to me. When and where did this happen?