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Stormrider wrote:Wow, another Optimus Prime/Convoy figure. We don't have enough of them.

Are you saying that we have to deprive the crazy Optimus Prime/Convoy fans of adding another piece to their already cluttered basement/bedroom?

Missed out on the first Alternity red Convoy, so this will make a nice replacement. It's an even better replacement, in fact, as the spoiler lends a bit of aesthetic difference to the black Alternity Convoy I have.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Missed out on the first Alternity red Convoy, so this will make a nice replacement. It's an even better replacement, in fact, as the spoiler lends a bit of aesthetic difference to the black Alternity Convoy I have.

Missed out or chose not to buy?

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

But happy for you if this one is more to your liking...

*edit: uh-oh, looks like there's only one left now. But nonetheless, he's been readily available for a while.

If he were in Cars 3, but as a separate character...

Kibble wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Missed out on the first Alternity red Convoy, so this will make a nice replacement. It's an even better replacement, in fact, as the spoiler lends a bit of aesthetic difference to the black Alternity Convoy I have.

Missed out or chose not to buy?

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

But happy for you if this one is more to your liking...

*edit: uh-oh, looks like there's only one left now. But nonetheless, he's been readily available for a while.

Heheh, I'm not living in the US, so shipping would be brutal.

Red Alternity Convoy was sold out quickly where I'm at, so I settled for the black version.

Robot kingdom also has it in stock for about $40 if shipping is any more reasonable from Hong Kong...I think they charge about $15 to ship to the US for something like that.

After a bit of consideration, I think I'll wait for the Super GT. I'd be perfectly fine with the original Alternity Convoy if this hadn't been announced, but I really like the larger spoiler and details that set it apart from the black Alternity version.

I plan on posing both black Alt Convoy and Super GT Convoy side by side--with the various little aesthetic changes, they won't look like mere repaints of each other.

Does anyone else remember a time when Optimus Prime wasn't the only Transformer? I'm not sure Takara Tomy does.

Blozor wrote:Does anyone else remember a time when Optimus Prime wasn't the only Transformer? I'm not sure Takara Tomy does.

You mean within the past year it was not Takara Tomy that reissued series accurate versions of Soundblaster and Twincast, announced a series accurate Devastor, and also announced Fortress Maximus for their Encore line... Lambor, Alert, Soundwave, and two sets of Cassettrons for their Masterpiece line... And both Stepper and Artfire for the UNITED line?

Blozor wrote:Does anyone else remember a time when Optimus Prime wasn't the only Transformer? I'm not sure Takara Tomy does.

Not sure either, but they certainly do think he's the safest character to make toys out of, for now.

The past few non-Hasbro releases have started and ended with only OP and Bee (DMK, Revoltech, Tomytec cars, and the recent Caliber statues). And now that Bee seems to have become the public enemy of TF collectors, OP is the only one they feel can ensure sales.

You're right! There's is only only one transformer...and that's Optimus prime. If they put out a hundred different versions of him, I'll still get him. Get over it. There's hundreds of me out there who are prime collectors. Takara-tomy knows their market

Blozor wrote:Does anyone else remember a time when Optimus Prime wasn't the only Transformer? I'm not sure Takara Tomy does.

Remember a time when Bumblebee never appeared in over 4 consecutive series?

Hasbro does not.

President-prime wrote:You're right! There's is only only one transformer...and that's Optimus prime. If they put out a hundred different versions of him, I'll still get him. Get over it. There's hundreds of me out there who are prime collectors. Takara-tomy knows their market

That is the thing, P-P. Takara Tomy DOES NOT know their market in account that their stocks are worth an estimated $5 a share. And one part of that is in part of the fact they do not really know their market. Because if they did, they would have put out an actual reissue of Sixshot and not the one that was released in the Asian market.

In other words... You and those like you cover 1% or less of the market. Because the rest of the fanbase include a combination of the Dinobot fans, the city-bot fans, the Scramble City-style combiner fans, the non-Scramble City combiner fans, the Headmaster fans, the Targetmaster fans, the Godmaster fans, the Powermaster fans, the Headmaster Jr. fans, the Mini-Con fans, the Micromaster fans, the Action Master fans, the Powered Master fans, the Brainmaster fans, and the Pretender fans. And that excludes those who only prefer a single character, series, line, etc.

In other words... It is good that you collect a singular character. But remember that the market is, in fact, demanding a proper reissue of Sixshot... As well as G1 versions of the Dinobots (which can be done if they made an effort), G1 Artfire, and many more characters that are neither Optimus Prime or Convoy.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

President-prime wrote:You're right! There's is only only one transformer...and that's Optimus prime. If they put out a hundred different versions of him, I'll still get him. Get over it. There's hundreds of me out there who are prime collectors. Takara-tomy knows their market

That is the thing, P-P. Takara Tomy DOES NOT know their market in account that their stocks are worth an estimated $5 a share. And one part of that is in part of the fact they do not really know their market. Because if they did, they would have put out an actual reissue of Sixshot and not the one that was released in the Asian market.

In other words... You and those like you cover 1% or less of the market. Because the rest of the fanbase include a combination of the Dinobot fans, the city-bot fans, the Scramble City-style combiner fans, the non-Scramble City combiner fans, the Headmaster fans, the Targetmaster fans, the Godmaster fans, the Powermaster fans, the Headmaster Jr. fans, the Mini-Con fans, the Micromaster fans, the Action Master fans, the Powered Master fans, the Brainmaster fans, and the Pretender fans. And that excludes those who only prefer a single character, series, line, etc.

In other words... It is good that you collect a singular character. But remember that the market is, in fact, demanding a proper reissue of Sixshot... As well as G1 versions of the Dinobots (which can be done if they made an effort), G1 Artfire, and many more characters that are neither Optimus Prime or Convoy.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:You mean within the past year it was not Takara Tomy that reissued series accurate versions of Soundblaster and Twincast, announced a series accurate Devastor, and also announced Fortress Maximus for their Encore line... Lambor, Alert, Soundwave, and two sets of Cassettrons for their Masterpiece line... And both Stepper and Artfire for the UNITED line?

Wait...huh??? It's not easy being a toy company. Hell, it's not easy being a company. Period. First and foremost, Has-Tak is out to make money. Secondly, they will not often use the name of an obscure character to push sales. Lastly, repaints and minor alterations to existing molds return higher profits than starting from scratch. Even third parties are capitalizing on this notion. If you don't like GT Prime, so be it. But to argue that Has-Tak only releases OP and Bee is just being asinine (not strictly referring to the above quotes though.) For the 1% who only collect OP toys, only 1% collect strictly Dinobot toys, only 1% collect Powermaster toys, only 1% collect Godmaster toys, and so on and so forth. The fanbase is huge. Most of us collect bits and pieces from all over the Transformers multiverse. However, I'm willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of Transformers toy consumers are kids, even if they themselves are not the customers.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

President-prime wrote:You're right! There's is only only one transformer...and that's Optimus prime. If they put out a hundred different versions of him, I'll still get him. Get over it. There's hundreds of me out there who are prime collectors. Takara-tomy knows their market

That is the thing, P-P. Takara Tomy DOES NOT know their market in account that their stocks are worth an estimated $5 a share. And one part of that is in part of the fact they do not really know their market.

5.2$ a share, 96 million shares, 3.37% dividend?
a current Q3 net profit of 17Million USD + ?

The only thing they don't know how to do, is lose money.
Don't spew Bologna because you don't like Optimus Toys, or are butt hurt you can't get asian exclusives with out paying for the extra cost associated.

RodimalToyota wrote:Don't spew Bologna because you don't like Optimus Toys, or are butt hurt you can't get asian exclusives with out paying for the extra cost associated.

Keep it civil man. You can discuss finances all you want but there's no need for ad hominem stuff here.

Diem wrote:

RodimalToyota wrote:Don't spew Bologna because you don't like Optimus Toys, or are butt hurt you can't get asian exclusives with out paying for the extra cost associated.

Keep it civil man. You can discuss finances all you want but there's no need for ad hominem stuff here.

an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it.

Not really what I did, but I guess we'll just continue to look like children in the eye's of these companies, when we disagree, we will just call them stupid and say they have no right to make toys because they made me boo hoo.

You want to look like Adults and maybe get Takara,Hasbro to listen to you?

Act like one. Back your claims up.






back to the point..

Optimus Does sell, and Japanese culture has a love for the Auto, so it makes sense to come out with limited racing versions of popular Japanese cars. It's not "Ricer" its Racing in the East. I'm sure this will be a hit in Asia.... where it's released.

roBROmanceFTW wrote:Wait...huh??? It's not easy being a toy company. Hell, it's not easy being a company. Period. First and foremost, Has-Tak is out to make money. Secondly, they will not often use the name of an obscure character to push sales. Lastly, repaints and minor alterations to existing molds return higher profits than starting from scratch. Even third parties are capitalizing on this notion. If you don't like GT Prime, so be it. But to argue that Has-Tak only releases OP and Bee is just being asinine (not strictly referring to the above quotes though.) For the 1% who only collect OP toys, only 1% collect strictly Dinobot toys, only 1% collect Powermaster toys, only 1% collect Godmaster toys, and so on and so forth. The fanbase is huge. Most of us collect bits and pieces from all over the Transformers multiverse. However, I'm willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of Transformers toy consumers are kids, even if they themselves are not the customers.

RodimalToyota wrote:

5.2$ a share, 96 million shares, 3.37% dividend?
a current Q3 net profit of 17Million USD + ?

The only thing they don't know how to do, is lose money.
Don't spew Bologna because you don't like Optimus Toys, or are butt hurt you can't get asian exclusives with out paying for the extra cost associated.

Great ways of striking arguments against what I say when you both do not bother looking at all the facts! Such as this link explaining why they have seen a sharp decrease of an estimate 200 yen per share, which also impacts the amount they offer their share owners. Something that has them saying "we want to make money, but we need to adapt if we want to make a solid profit in the end." LINK: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/business/T121008002198.htm

Which leads to my point. Takara Tomy has seen a steep decline in sales from April to October, which has forced them to refocus on their business plans. And while they say only 25% of the market are young girls, it does not mean the 75% are young boys. It means that they need to refocus on targeting those who seek out aftermarket pieces while focusing on those who want to play with their TV-series promoted pieces. (And FYI, both times I went to Japan had me near-religiously visit their Transformers aisle.)

Point being to this person is that by promoting this prototype, they are not trying to appeal to just the Optimus Prime fans. They are making it in hopes of expanding past their current G1, UNITED, and PRIME lines... By creating something that may allow them to expand the fanbase once again. However, he chose to snub the remaining 99% by saying that there is only one Transformer and that making this prototype means that they are listening to the market... Not the fact he has the chance to obtain another piece for his collection. Because as we speak, the item is fine and will sell well to select members within the Japanese market and secondary markets. But it would not sell as well as the Fortress Maximus reissue, or if they were to find a way to recreate the molds for select characters that fans are asking for.

And Rodimal? Your assumptions about me were as funny as the statement about how companies are out there to make a profit. Because I have stated that me not backtracking when it comes to my soon-to-be-AFA-graded-Transformers-because-I-hope-to-pass-onto-my-future-children collection has made it hard for me to both want one and not want one. Plus, my only dismissal of this piece involve the legs and feet! Not the fact that it is another Optimus Prime.

Point being... If you both know me, then you know I support his collection, as well as think this is a fine adult-oriented Transformer... But I cannot support his need to snub those who do not share both his love and enthusiasm for this character.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

roBROmanceFTW wrote:Wait...huh??? It's not easy being a toy company. Hell, it's not easy being a company. Period. First and foremost, Has-Tak is out to make money. Secondly, they will not often use the name of an obscure character to push sales. Lastly, repaints and minor alterations to existing molds return higher profits than starting from scratch. Even third parties are capitalizing on this notion. If you don't like GT Prime, so be it. But to argue that Has-Tak only releases OP and Bee is just being asinine (not strictly referring to the above quotes though.) For the 1% who only collect OP toys, only 1% collect strictly Dinobot toys, only 1% collect Powermaster toys, only 1% collect Godmaster toys, and so on and so forth. The fanbase is huge. Most of us collect bits and pieces from all over the Transformers multiverse. However, I'm willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of Transformers toy consumers are kids, even if they themselves are not the customers.

RodimalToyota wrote:

5.2$ a share, 96 million shares, 3.37% dividend?
a current Q3 net profit of 17Million USD + ?

The only thing they don't know how to do, is lose money.
Don't spew Bologna because you don't like Optimus Toys, or are butt hurt you can't get asian exclusives with out paying for the extra cost associated.

Great ways of striking arguments against what I say when you both do not bother looking at all the facts! Such as this link explaining why they have seen a sharp decrease of an estimate 200 yen per share, which also impacts the amount they offer their share owners. Something that has them saying "we want to make money, but we need to adapt if we want to make a solid profit in the end." LINK: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/business/T121008002198.htm

Which leads to my point. Takara Tomy has seen a steep decline in sales from April to October, which has forced them to refocus on their business plans. And while they say only 25% of the market are young girls, it does not mean the 75% are young boys. It means that they need to refocus on targeting those who seek out aftermarket pieces while focusing on those who want to play with their TV-series promoted pieces. (And FYI, both times I went to Japan had me near-religiously visit their Transformers aisle.)

Point being to this person is that by promoting this prototype, they are not trying to appeal to just the Optimus Prime fans. They are making it in hopes of expanding past their current G1, UNITED, and PRIME lines... By creating something that may allow them to expand the fanbase once again. However, he chose to snub the remaining 99% by saying that there is only one Transformer and that making this prototype means that they are listening to the market... Not the fact he has the chance to obtain another piece for his collection. Because as we speak, the item is fine and will sell well to select members within the Japanese market and secondary markets. But it would not sell as well as the Fortress Maximus reissue, or if they were to find a way to recreate the molds for select characters that fans are asking for.

And Rodimal? Your assumptions about me were as funny as the statement about how companies are out there to make a profit. Because I have stated that me not backtracking when it comes to my soon-to-be-AFA-graded-Transformers-because-I-hope-to-pass-onto-my-future-children collection has made it hard for me to both want one and not want one. Plus, my only dismissal of this piece involve the legs and feet! Not the fact that it is another Optimus Prime.

Point being... If you both know me, then you know I support his collection, as well as think this is a fine adult-oriented Transformer... But I cannot support his need to snub those who do not share both his love and enthusiasm for this character.

Actually the sharp decrease is from

An increase in the percentage of sales devoted to income tax expenses from -0.74% to 2.27% was a key component in the falling bottom line in the face of rising revenues

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ticker=7867:JP

My response was to this assumption...

That is the thing, P-P. Takara Tomy DOES NOT know their market in account that their stocks are worth an estimated $5 a share. And one part of that is in part of the fact they do not really know their market. Because if they did, they would have put out an actual reissue of Sixshot and not the one that was released in the Asian market.

RodimalToyota wrote:My response was to this assumption...

That is the thing, P-P. Takara Tomy DOES NOT know their market in account that their stocks are worth an estimated $5 a share. And one part of that is in part of the fact they do not really know their market. Because if they did, they would have put out an actual reissue of Sixshot and not the one that was released in the Asian market.

*facepalms* Funny how you accuse me of making assumptions when you know absolutely NOTHING about me and how I do my fact findings. Plus, also, this better suits my need to know why they are not doing so well stock-wise: http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/english/ir/ ... 17p_en.pdf

My point is tied to what they said: They have seen a sharp decline in sales within Japan, and a sharp increase in sales in other areas. Are you saying that this has nothing to do with the sharp decline of their stock value because you assume that I am making an assumption?

Point being is this: The marketplace only exists as long there are buyers. Buyers want different versions of Optimus Prime, so Takara Tomy made "Super GT" Optimus Prime. But if they only focus on Optimus Prime, then they are ignoring the rest that make their own marketplace exist. And right now, the fans are requesting C-108 Artfire, C-114 Fortress Maximus, and D-98 Sixshot.

And besides... Out of the 1,000+ registered Shmax members that have their collections listed, only 7 own the "Asian premium" Sixshot. This pretty much says that they missed out on a chance to improve sales in Japan when it comes to their Transformers line, as those within the marketplace wanted either an Encore Sixshot or one in "2010" Predaking-like packaging. Something I hope they do before the 2013 report says that they lost more profits in Japan.

So yeah... If you are going to accuse me of making an assumption, don't make an assumption that has you believe you know what I am saying, and so on.

Lol. It's amazing what anonymity has done to disagreements.

Diem wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:So it's instead for a series called Transformers GT?

I can either alleviate your desire for continuity or make it worse; there is not a single mention of the word Alternity on either of these images.

Well, if this is true, then maybe I don't have to include him in my collection. It'd save me a load since I'm already going to be forking over all funds for Banzai-Tron, Galvatron, MP Soundwave, MP Audicons, Asia "Imports," and TFCs Uranos.

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Lol. It's amazing what anonymity has done to disagreements.

Diem wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:So it's instead for a series called Transformers GT?

I can either alleviate your desire for continuity or make it worse; there is not a single mention of the word Alternity on either of these images.

Well, if this is true, then maybe I don't have to include him in my collection. It'd save me a load since I'm already going to be forking over all funds for Banzai-Tron, Galvatron, MP Soundwave, MP Audicons, Asia "Imports," and TFCs Uranos.

It is true on account that the line was completed long ago, and they are capping it off with exclusives that did not make it into the series. Plus, they are also trying to go a new direction with their Transformers lines, so it is safe to say he is not a new Alternity.

So when it comes to this line, I can see them adding Topspin, Lockdown, Smokescreen, and me adding a padlock to my wallet if/when they do.

Ooooooooh! Lockdown! That sounds great!

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Ooooooooh! Lockdown! That sounds great!

100% agreed. And I am not one for Decepticons.

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