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Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:25 pm
by Sabrblade
Note: There are a few points in the following editorial where I have repeated some bits from previous threads. For those who have read those past threads, you may recognize some few things.

Having been discussing the nature of the Generations line recently, I've come to think about the toyline in ways that lead me to wondering something. Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

For those unaware, "CHUG" is an acronym for "Classics Henkei Universe Generations", which are the first four Transformers toyline that pioneered the concept of taking characters of past franchises of old and creating brand new toys with modern day design and engineering, while still representing the original characters that they were designed to resemble, and did so in the form of mainstream retail toylines that were mostly ordinary and still geared towards children, separating them from the more high end collector-based lines that also update classic characters with new toys like Masterpiece and Alternators.

From the beginning, with the Classics line in 2006, things were relatively simple. The plan was to take a handful of G1 characters and give them new toys with modern day engineering, and all within a single aesthetic. The line was meant to be a filler line to tide us over until the Movie toys kicked in in 2007. And because it was just a filler at first, Hasbro let Fun Publications finish off the cast of Seekers for the BotCon 2007 exclusive box set, as Hasbro wasn't planning on continuing the main Classics line at the time.

However, the Classics line proved so popular that the fans were aching for more of it. Come 2008 and their prayers were answered with the new Universe toyline. Similar in concept the Classics line, Universe took the original plan of Classics one step further by not only using G1 characters, but characters from across the spectrum of series, including those of Beast Wars and Armada. The Universe line took the groundwork that had been laid down by the Classics line, and had built upon it further. Now we were getting classic characters from multiple series with new modern toys designed in a single aesthetic.

As an aside, though, both the Classics and Universe lines were guilty of cheating with this plan here and there, by using a few existing toy molds from the Unicron Trilogy to represent updates to certain classic characters, instead of giving every single character a new toy mold. However, since the original Classics line had been developed so near to the Unicron Trilogy, I'd argue that the aesthetics of the select UT molds used in both the Classics and Universe lines weren't too far off from the Classics/Universe aesthetic to be so jarring as to make the UT molds each line use look too far out of place with the proper Classics/Universe molds. But, I digress.

The Henkei! Henkei! line wound soon sprout up in Japan as that country's counterpart to the Classics and Universe lines, using molds from each line redecoed in color schemes that were more faithful to the original cartoon animation model color schemes of each character that each toy represented. They also feature new chrome paint in certain places for that extra flavor of Japanese bling. ;)

After 2009, the Classics/Universe-style toylines seemed to fade away like any other Transformers toyline, their time seemingly having ended. But then came the year 2010, with what looked to be next successor of this breed of toys: Generations.

At first, things seemed to go like normal-- well, okay, no, that's actually a bit off. First came a round of toys designed after the characters from the War for Cybertron video game, using that game's aesthetic for reference. But these are merely a handful of figures, and after their run ended, the Generations line continued on, introducing more of the "Classics-style" toys that fans have come to expect from the line. Thus, we arrive at the point at which the Generations line became the "G" in the word "CHUG", as the term had by this come to fruition.

However, after 2011... the Generations line changed. Basically, it stopped being of a similar mindset as its Classics and Universe predecessors. No longer was it simply taking classic characters and making brand new modern day toys of them in a single aesthetic. Rather, it was making modern day toys of any characters, classic or recent, and doing so in multiple aesthetics.

The first sign of this was when it released those few WFC-styled toys back during its initial waves in 2010. Most didn't take notice of this since the aesthetic of those toys was still similar enough to that of the Classics-style toys. Not to mention that there were only five of them released; hardly enough to raise an eyebrow at.

But then came the Fall of Cybertron toys after the obviously Classics-style toys. New packaging, new emphasis on the video game aesthetics, slightly different engineering, slightly smaller scale, new size classes for a line that had been governed by the Deluxe class size since its creation (Generations, that is, not Classics in general). Even TakaraTomy was now making a distinction since all of the pre-FOC Generations toys got released by them in their United toyline, while everything new coming in the FOC look was in a new Japanese "Generations" line.

The iconic look of what people had come to call "CHUG" toys seemed to be gone and replaced by the Fall of Cybertron style.

And now, as we draw near to the end of the "Generations Fall of Cybertron" era, we are approaching a new age of Generations toys with a similar shift in appearance: "Generations Thrilling 30". At first glance, it seems to be a return to the "CHUG" style of toys, but in reality, it is a style derived from the aesthetic of the IDW G1 Comics Continuity.

Basically, the Generations toyline seems to operate in system of phases, each one containing its own aesthetic:
  • Phase 1 - War for Cybertron, 2010
  • Phase 2 - "Classics-style" (A.K.A. "CHUG"), 2010-2011
  • Phase 3 - Fall of Cybertron, 2012-2013
  • Phase 4 - Thrilling 30 (IDW G1), 2013-onward
Note that this does not count the Generations GDO toys, the Platinum Editions, or any such exclusives not developed primarily by Hasbro in America, as those seem to follow their own set of rules and do whatever they want.

As such, with only the second phase of Generations figures really abiding by what the term "CHUG" has come to embody, it would seem that the Generations line itself has grown and evolved beyond simply being the "G" in "CHUG", thus overriding the longstanding definition of the word.

Now, there is an argument to be made about the Thrilling 30 toys not being "CHUG"/"Classics-style" figures since the comics themselves have come to use designs from the Classics, Universe, and Generations Phase 2 toys, and even the WFC/FOC video games. Well, the comics have also come to use designs from Alternators and Masterpiece as well, yet no one tends to lump those lines in with the likes of "Classics-style" figures.

But then we come to situations like Generations Thundercracker, who is a Thrilling 30 toy that uses a WFC/FOC design, but represents the IDW character who also uses the WFC/FOC design despite being a different individual from WFC/FOC Thundercracker. The lines are blurred even further with IDW G1 comics lately borrowing designs from the WFC and FOC video games. Thus, the Generations Deluxe class toys of Bumblebee, Soundwave, Jazz, Shockwave, Starscream, Onslaught, Blast Off, Brawl, Laserbeak, and Sideswipe could all be repurposed from their video game selves into their IDW G1 selves. And, conversely, the Thirlling 30 Generations Thundercracker toy could be repurposed in reverse from his IDW G1 self into his WFC/FOC self.

Further complicating matters is how more and more ubiquitous the designs of the "Classics-style" have been used in the various TF fiction. I mean, what originally made the Classics figures stand out was that they were toy-only modern updates of classic characters, with the only real fictional appearances of them being the Classicsverse stories from Fun Publications and the Japanese Henkei! Henkei! manga. But, then we get the aforementioned usage of certain "Classics-style" toy designs being used in IDW G1, as well as in Fun Pub's Wings Universe stories, Japan's United fiction, and Japan's All Spark manga (which also makes use of the Fall of Cybertron toy designs, and even some Masterpiece toy designs).

With such a wide array of media using the character designs of toys from Classics, Henkei!, Universe, Generations, United, Reveal the Shield, and more, what defines a toy as a "CHUG" character toy vs. a toy representing a specific fictional version of a certain character has become more and more murky. This is when one must ask themselves what exactly is the difference between the aesthetics of "CHUG"/"Classics-style" and "IDW G1", especially when we see IDW G1 comic stories featuring the likes of Generations Thrilling 30 Trailcutter coexisting in the same world as Warpath and Black Shadow in their Generations Phase 2/"CHUG"/"Classics-style" bodies, or even with Sunstreaker who had his Universe body beginning with "All Hail Megatron". Where is the line drawn when IDW G1 uses the designs taken from the aesthetic of Classics, Universe, CHUG Generations in its own aesthetic? And where is it drawn when IDW G1 uses WFC/FOC aesthetic designs?

An easier way to look at this might be to just think of a "CHUG" toy as either:
  • A) Any toy representing a character as s/he appeared either the comics of Classics, Henkei!, United, IDW, All Spark, or Wings Universe (discounting Masterpieces or any toy belonging to a line made specifically for a cartoon/movie), or
  • B) Any toy that's simply a modern update of a classic character and isn't specifically tied to any current cartoon/movie (like what the original Classics toyline was).
But then again, that brings us back to the meaning of "CHUG" seemingly no longer holding much weight since the "G" has outgrown the other three letters due to the Generations line encompassing more than one aesthetic unlike its predecessors. But because the IDW G1 comics themselves have grown to start using designs based off existing toys, such as Masterpiece, Universe, and Generations Phase 2 toys, and more recently using designs taken from the WFC/FOC video games, the line between what are and aren't IDW toys becomes blurred. Thus, though the Thrilling 30 toys are meant to be based around the aesthetics of the IDW G1 comics, we get examples like Thundercracker who uses a WFC/FOC design thanks to IDW using that design for their G1 comics. Thus, Thundercracker's toy falls under TWO aesthetics instead of one, whereas someone like Springer, who's toy is based off his "Last Stand of the Wreckers" body, or someone like Trailcutter, whose toy as designed for his Spotlight issue, fall under just one aesthetic.

But, the issue is further complicated when toys like Trailcutter and Springer (his GDO toy aside) represent characters who haven't yet received any new (non-Legends) toy with modern day engineering, thus influencing people's desires to put toys like Trailcutter and Springer into their CHUG/Classics-style collections for completion's sake, despite the toys actually being in an IDW G1 comics aesthetic. But again, with IDW now using certain Classics-style designs, certain toys fit into BOTH aesthetics as a result. Yet, when one adamantly wants to keep aesthetics separated, then one's CHUG/Classics-style collection is left without a (non-Legends) Trailbreaker/Trailcutter or Springer toy to fill in the void, repurposed toys aside.

As a result, this editorial has gone round and round in a seemingly endless circle of rebutting point after point to only rinse and repeat the process over and over again. 8-}

In the long run, just how much weight, if any at all, does the term "CHUG" now hold anymore if the Generations line has grown to surpass the original vision and standard set by the likes of Classics and Universe? Having broken out of the single aesthetic that the "Classics-style" toys were known for, and reaching into multiple aesthetics, does is not seem like the term "CHUG" has since become ill-fitting to the point of being archaic and inappropriate?


PS: And that isn't even getting into the select Movieverse molds from ROTF, HFTD, and DOTM that were made purely by Hasbro without Paramount, which were seen as a sort of halfway compromise between the Paramount-made Movieverse designs and the non-Movieverse "Classics-style" designs (ones like Sea Spray, Bludgeon, Mindwipe, Brawn, Terradive, Tomahawk, Hailstorm, Skyhammer, etc. fall into this halfway point). But, let us skip all that for now, and focus on the now-outdated nature of "CHUG". ;)

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:55 pm
by datguy86
Nice read, but you're overthinking the situation. Just as Unicron is a being existing across multiple timelines (or all of them), the newer Generations toys are meant to exist across a multitude of ideas.

Springer fills the void for a character without a "proper" update to his G1 figure. But he also fills the need for IDW Springer. And IDW is a fiction you have cited as G1. Skids, Hoist, Trailcutter - these figures also exist across multiple "timelines" to fulfill the individual needs of the collector, who will possibly display these figures differently from you and I. But you already covered this.

With the above thoughts in mind, I think Generations should be the appropriate name for this series. Currently, each figure can pull from at least two timelines, and the aesthetic between figures may be as different as one generation to the next. Generations also simplifies and unites the toys for the fandom. This will make conversations easier instead of having to explain the CHUG concept as a preamble to conversation, much as you had to do at the beginning of your editorial.

tl:dr - CHUG is past. Generations is now.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:20 am
by RhA
TLDR.

Buy yes, fully absolete. It sounds like something a no-neck fratmember would yell at a pledge.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:11 am
by GuyIncognito
TL;DR.

(Also, you have to include RTS, so it's CHURG.)

I prefer "Classic-verse". We can't keep adding letters to the acronym every time they put out a new sub-line of classic-styled figures.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:17 am
by Sabrblade
GuyIncognito wrote:TL;DR.
I did say that this was an editorial. You are aware of what that is, right? It's like an article or an essay. It's meant to be long and informative.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:21 am
by fenrir72
@ SaberB

You'd make a good contributor at a Toysfare mag. Your enthusiasm really radiates mein freund!

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:38 am
by Yotsuyasan
I've never liked the term "CHUG." It just seemed silly, and sounds stupid. Personally, I just think of any toy that, in my opinion, fits the proper aesthetic, as "Classics" style. (Of course, I suppose that the big problem is that what fits the aesthetic can be a matter of opinion.) When doing reviews on my website, I'll often mostly refer to them as such, but make a brief note about what toyline the toy originated from.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:19 am
by Jelze Bunnycat
Good read, ever considered going professional with this?

I agree that Classics, Universe, Reveal the Shield (even if its a cheat) and Generations "Series 0" (A term coined to properly separate 2010 from later years) excluding the WfC toys have a similar foundation: updating G1 characters and designs from the ground up. As such it does make sense to use "CHUG" or a similar umbrella term to lump them together. Generations Series 1 (FoC) however, has its basis in the video games and Series 2 (IDW) in the comics, not in the original toys. Should be they excluded? Yes and no.

Yes, as in indirectly the overall designs are still rooted in Generation 1, no matter what fiction would dictate. Which brings me to my counterpoint: Personal Canon. No rules, no limits, you can shift characters of different styles around at your heart's content. That's what some collectors seem to be doing, filling in the blanks with the IDW style as you have already said. I suspect Hasbro is catering to that group just for that reason. Combining all of the lines, we've completed:

- the Autobot Cars of the first 3 Seasons,
- the Seekers of the first 2 Seasons
- Decepticon Triple Changers
- Heralds of Unicron

We're only missing a couple of Mini-Bots, Reflector (Should have jumped on Perceptor, FunPub), and a proper Soundwave among other things. In closing, for the convenience of collecting and ignoring fiction, then yes, the umbrella term should include Series 2. I happen to fall in that group btw.

Now we come to No, as you may have guessed is all about the fiction behind the figure. It's funny actually, for Classics and Universe 2008 the fiction was created after the toy. For Generations, the opposite is true, even partially for "Series 0". I'm not just talking about the WfC toys, but also about one of the more notorious characters: Drift. I'm guessing if one goes by official fiction only, the IDW figures have their own shelf. But the fun part is that IDW loves to repurpose (and is sometimes even told do so with G1 Lockdown): WfC/FoC as G1 Cybertronian is a good example.

So yeah, no matter how you cut it, figures of different styles will end up being mixed together. As such, umbrella terms like "CHUG" have different definitions depending on personal needs or preferences. With that, it would be a bit silly to use one on the boards unless one is familiar with the personal definition. Personally, I just use the line's name for the figure on here and call it a day. Safest thing you can do (though Universe Tankor likes to differ) >:oP

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:37 am
by dirk2243
I do think I prefer the term Classics-verse.......

And I don't know about saying this springer fills a void per say. Look at the Springer which was released under the universe series (target exclusive 2 pack) (repaint at that) vs 30th springer which is actually a triple changer. Mine has kicked Universe Springer right out of that spot.

I hear what your saying, but I think it's overthinking perhaps? :-?
I agree with not adding a new letter each time a new line comes out.....I say generations or classics-verse works well. (IMO)

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:40 am
by ScottyP
Hugs, not CHUGs.

Good read. CHUG was obsolete when it was first used because it wasn't necessary. Just call it all Classics and you're done :)

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:49 am
by njb902
That's an interesting thought Sabrblade, though I think you might have broken my HAL when it tried to explain it to me.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:58 am
by GuyIncognito
ScottyP wrote:Just call it all Classics and you're done :)



I don't agree with that, because "Classics" has traditionally referred to a specific line. First there was Classics BB. Then they repainted it and released it as RTS Bumblebee. We've also got Generations BB (from the WFC line) and the upcoming IDW Generations BB. If you call them all "Classics", then how do you distinguish between the actual "Classics BB" and the others? That's why I prefer Classics-verse: we need a way to distinguish between the original Classics line and the follow-up lines.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:11 am
by Sabrblade
GuyIncognito wrote:
ScottyP wrote:Just call it all Classics and you're done :)



I don't agree with that, because "Classics" has traditionally referred to a specific line. First there was Classics BB. Then they repainted it and released it as RTS Bumblebee. We've also got Generations BB (from the WFC line) and the upcoming IDW Generations BB. If you call them all "Classics", then how do you distinguish between the actual "Classics BB" and the others? That's why I prefer Classics-verse: we need a way to distinguish between the original Classics line and the follow-up lines.
The thing about "Classicsverse", though, is that that term is already officially used to refer to the world of the Classics comics and prose stories from Fun Publications. "The New World", "Crossing Over", "Games of Deception", "At Fight End", etc.

What's more is that there are some "Classics-style" toys that these works of fiction chose to not use, opting instead for the G1 bodies. But then there are other things like Wings Universe and IDW that do use some of the "Classics-style" toys that the actual Classicsverse itself doesn't use, like Universe Prowl (IDW) or Universe Galvatron (Wings Universe). Thus making the term "Classicsverse" a bit of a misnomer when strictly speaking of the toys.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:25 am
by robotmel
TS:RSTALI

(Too short, read several times and liked it)

:D

Its nice to have a decent read via this site such as this breakdown by Sabrblade and the recent Masterpiece and Alternators pieces by TFSources Maz.

I have hated the term 'CHUG' since it started being used not only here but other fansite forums, even Ebay listings! [-(
I for one will be glad to se the back of it!

;)

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:41 am
by xyl360
Sabrblade wrote:As an aside, though, both the Classics and Universe lines were guilty of cheating with this plan here and there, by using a few existing toy molds from the Unicron Trilogy to represent updates to certain classic characters, instead of giving every single character a new toy mold. However, since the original Classics line had been developed so near to the Unicron Trilogy, I'd argue that the aesthetics of the select UT molds used in both the Classics and Universe lines weren't too far off from the Classics/Universe aesthetic to be so jarring as to make the UT molds each line use look too far out of place with the proper Classics/Universe molds.

Don't forget the Beast Wars cheats like Silverbolt and Optimus Primal (new decos, but same molds, just as with the UT toys).

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:48 am
by Dead Metal
CHUG never worked, why? Simple:
Universe 2008 wasn't a continuation of Classics. It was an umbrella line. If you take a look at the packaging, each toy had a special series denominator under or over their names stating to what series they belonged.
Examples:
Deluxe Starscream (the Classics mold repaint) was labeled as "Generation 1 Series"
Voyager Inferno was labeled as "Generation 2 Series"
Deluxe Galvatron was labeled as "Classic Series"
Deluxe Hot-Shot was labeled as "Armada Series"
Deluxe Cheetor as "Beast Wars Series"
Ultra Bruticus was "Robots in Disguise series"

So basically the show accurate stuff (minus the odd exceptions) are officially part of the series they originated from, while the re-imagined new take stuff are Classics.

So if you wanted to be anal about it and only have actual Classics in your collection, you couldn't use Universe Starscream, Inferno, and Cyclonus (which was also labeled as Generation 1).

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:49 am
by Sabrblade
xyl360 wrote:Don't forget the Beast Wars cheats like Silverbolt and Optimus Primal (new decos, but same molds, just as with the UT toys).
I think you're thinking of the wrong Universe line.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:01 am
by Jelze Bunnycat
Sabrblade wrote:
xyl360 wrote:Don't forget the Beast Wars cheats like Silverbolt and Optimus Primal (new decos, but same molds, just as with the UT toys).
I think you're thinking of the wrong Universe line.


The Universe 2003 line is not the same as the 2008 one. 2003 only had repaints and was similar to the current Timelines. 2008 is the Classics look-a-like. That's why I always put the year behind the line.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:10 am
by xyl360
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
xyl360 wrote:Don't forget the Beast Wars cheats like Silverbolt and Optimus Primal (new decos, but same molds, just as with the UT toys).
I think you're thinking of the wrong Universe line.


The Universe 2003 line is not the same as the 2008 one. 2003 only had repaints and was similar to the current Timelines. 2008 is the Classics look-a-like. That's why I always put the year behind the line.

Ah, gotcha :).

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:14 am
by Autobot032
I have no problem with CHUG. That said, I just refer to them as Generations. That's my thing, how I see it. Nothing wrong with that, nor will the world stop spinning.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:24 am
by xyl360
Autobot032 wrote:I have no problem with CHUG. That said, I just refer to them as Generations. That's my thing, how I see it. Nothing wrong with that, nor will the world stop spinning.

Agreed. I don't think it makes any difference what we call them, especially considering the fact that I know what you mean when you say 'Generations' and I also know what other collectors mean when they say 'CHUG' or 'Classics'. What Funpub, Takara, Hasbro, IDW or anyone else have done with the molds/characters is irrelevant just as long as those involved in the conversation understand what the term means as defined by the speaker.

This was a nice editorial/philosophical analysis, but I believe the term is still far from being 'obsolete', especially when collectors still refer to their 'CHUG shelves', 'Classics shelves' or 'Generations shelves' etc., even when shoehorning in figures from other lines (or even third party figures). Heck, that common practice alone would render such terms obsolete if official branding/official lines etc. had anything to do with it, but that's not how such collectors see it, and since 'CHUG' itself is not an 'official' term, but one used exclusively by collectors to define a certain set of toys/aesthetics/whatever, I don't think it much matters what the 'official' companies have done with the terms used in the acronym. If it did matter, then this would have been brought up as soon as people started using FP's City Commander, Warbot Defender, Bruticus add-ons and the countless other 3rd party figures that many count amongst their 'CHUG' collections, but it didn't.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:47 am
by Seibertron
The term "CHUG" is a silly name a handful of fans use (in relation to the fandom as a whole) but I don't think that term ever really took hold. I've never used it. ScottyP sums up my thoughts best ... just call all of this Classics and you're done, which is what I've been doing since 2006. Has anyone actually had a conversation with someone in person where they actually refer to the G1 inspired toys from the past 7 years as CHUG and actually said "CHUG" out loud?

The term "CHUG" has only been used in 7 news articles on Seibertron.com out of 26,422. 2 of those times "chug" was used as the actual word chug (as in "to chug" or "he chuggs" or "chug.com"). I don't think this term ever had mainstream status, at least not around here in this part of the fandom.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:50 am
by Seibertron
The word "chug" (whether as an acronym or as something a person does) has been used 600 times on the Seibertron.com Energon Pub forums, including the use of the word in this topic about the very word itself.

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In comparison, the word "classics" has been used over 20,700 times.

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:05 pm
by Razorclaw0000
It's also a nauseatingly racist term and people should be ashamed of themselves:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chug

I've been correcting people since the term appeared, but nobody listens to me.

>:oP

Re: Editorial: Has the term "CHUG" become obsolete?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:09 pm
by Seibertron
Razorclaw0000 wrote:It's also a nauseatingly racist term and people should be ashamed of themselves:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chug

I've been correcting people since the term appeared, but nobody listens to me.

>:oP


Interesting. I've never heard of that usage before. Hm.