The Energon Pub

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transformers-FO ... 4d0fb6ed94
ive been seeing this and similar posts on ebay a lot -im still trying to find one -anyone know if these are good or are they cheap knock offs

That's a trustworthy seller, as far as I know. That person was somewhat famous a few months ago, for selling unreleased Dotm Black Soundwaves.

thanks-these days i just have a lot of trouble trusting ebayers -last one from china i got was a fake figma figure so ive been more careful lately

Just to add, I've bought from this seller before on several occasions and have never had a problem.
But beware that these are possibly QC rejects, and not boxed with instructions etc. The seller seems to have a contact, or work within a manufacturing facility to get hold of these figures, as this version of Grimlock is still to be released in this deco (grim vs brut gift set).

at this point ill take what i can get -getting a grimlock is like getting money out of people who owe me -and a lot of people owe me