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Deadput wrote:Faces like Cliffjumper is what you get when you want them to have the designs be like the originals.

The AOE Autobots, especially Crosshairs have already shown us the result of this kind of design.

Liquid faces don't work in live action this is why they went with the metal "insect" faces in the bay films in the first place because the liquid faces are too uncanny because Transformers are just digital CGI creations their not real any attempt at making their faces be "metal humans" will look awful.

Why liquid faces don't work? We can have faced like the robots in "I, Robot"?

Saw the movie tonight, and it was frikkin AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!

The opening scene was pretty sharp, loved the amount of seekers and quick cameos, and Bee's voice was pretty cool! Optimus sounded much more alive as well.

Dang Cliffjumper, that was cruel. And also kinda funny how Dropkick did most of the killing in the movie. But he was fun.

Blitzwing had some great scenes, and the way Bee dispatched each con was really clever. Loved how he activated Blitzwing's arm missile, took one, rammed it into his torso, and then blew him up! Dropkick getting the chains caught inside him during transformation and then getting pulled/blown apart with the shot of Bee holding the chain was great. And Shatter is the first con I can say I have ever seen killed by a boat crushing/blowing her up.

Loved the cons. Shatter as the more articulate and Dropkick as the bruiser was great. Loved the way both moved when they talked. "What are you doing?... this is humiliating." the cons worked great together, and all the fights and things were well done. Great shots.

Human characters were fun and not annoying, and went really well with the bots. And Bee had more screen time in this movie than the other 5 combined, he killed his role.

so yeah, loved loved the movie, gotta go see it again several times in theatres, it deserves it!

EDIT: I really wish they had gone with a reboot cause I want Bee and Charlie to be together again. I loved the 2 together. I wish there had been a scene where after The Last Knight ended, Bee went back and found an middle aged Charlie and went to be with her again

I saw Bumblebee! And I got a lot to talk about!

It was good! There was some awesome stuff, there was some stuff I didn't like, but I enjoyed it! I think my favorite Transformers movie is still DOTM, but this movie does a lot of things right and I think refreshed audiences who didn't like the previous films.

Awesome Stuff:

CYBERTRON. Holy crap, that was awesome. It was really short, but the scenes we did get were so cool. I do prefer the movie designs to G1, but I feel like the Cybertronian looks were just barely movieverse enough to work for me. Like I've said before, I'm willing to accept that everyone had a more G1 look before coming to earth. The scenes were so cool that I can't really complain about much, anyways.

Most of the action was really cool. Cybertron and Bee's fights with Blitzwing and Dropkick were both really cool. A lot of people have been saying that they can actually tell what's happening in the fights compared to the past movies, but I never had a problem telling what was going on in the previous films so I didn't quite see a difference here. Also really dug the creative ways they used transforming throughout the movie, like how Bee takes out Dropkick.

No crass humor! I love the previous movies but I've always hated the awkward, crass humor. Glad this one got rid of it.

In terms of references to the other movies, I really enjoyed Simmons' cameo, Camaro Bee, and especially Bee learning to talk through the radio.

Also, I have no idea why, but seeing Brawn on Cybertron made me really happy for some reason. I don't have much connection to the character or anything, I just wasn't expecting to see him and I was like "No way, was that Brawn?"

Also also, poor Cliffjumper.

Other things:

Very similarly to the first movie in particular, the movie spent a lot of time with the human characters in unrelated things that didn't have too much effect on the Transformers side of the story. All the movies have done this, but there was some stuff I think could've been cut and we wouldn't have lost a lot to the story.

Shatter and Dropkick didn't quite live up to the hype for me. It's not that I didn't like them - they were pretty cool- but everyone was hyping them up to be super awesome and have a ton of personality. While they did have that to an extent, I feel like we didn't spend enough time with them for that to really shine through. Shatter's death was also kinda anti-climactic. (Also, good thing S7 didn't think to tell them about good ol' N.B.E 1 sitting in the freezer just next door)

In terms of prequel vs reboot, before I saw it I was totally certain it was a prequel. Walking out of the theater I was sure it was a reboot. Now Travis Knight's saying it isn't a reboot. So here's how I'm thinking this could play out:

I think Bumblebee works as a prequel for just the first three movies (Mv1, ROTF, and DOTM) IF we get some explanation for most of the Autobots leaving earth for their arrival in MV1. Obviously this movie totally contradicts WWII Bee in TLK, and I feel like AOE and TLK are a combo deal, so I think both of those are out in our timeline here. I'm sure I'm wrong about this, but those are just my immediate thoughts after seeing the movie.

Long story short, good movie! I'm not sure how the whole timeline-prequel-reboot thing is going to work but I still enjoyed the movie and I'm looking forwards to whatever happens next!

Saw the movie yesterday. With no pun intended, I give it a solid B.

Without going into too much detail, the things that (again, no pun intended) bugged me the most were the two human murders that were needlessly callous and disgusting, and Otis's onscreen vomiting. We did NOT need any of those psychotic/gross-out moments in this movie, and I was so looking forward to this finally being a TF movie that wasn't going to have that kind of stuff in it, and yet the movie just couldn't get away without having them. Ugh.

Sabrblade wrote:Saw the movie yesterday. With no pun intended, I give it a solid B.

Without going into too much detail, the things that (again, no pun intended) bugged me the most were the two human murders that were needlessly callous and disgusting, and Otis's onscreen vomiting. We did NOT need any of those psychotic/gross-out moments in this movie, and I was so looking forward to this finally being a TF movie that wasn't going to have that kind of stuff in it, and yet the movie just couldn't get away without having them. Ugh.

Otis blowing chunks I can kind of agree with, I guess, but the two humans getting glooped actually felt well done to me. Like, it was nice that the Decepticons were not only actual competent threats, but also legitimately evil. Not just "We'll take over the world and...uh...impose harsh but ultimately humane and child-friendly working conditions on the native populace?" or "Bwahaha! We have stolen the MacGuffin and we're not giving it back, nyer nyer ni nyer nyer!". Like it's visceral, believable evil one would expect from hugely powerful alien bad guys, in much the same way as a cruel human might pull the wings off small insects. And the gun that turned the humans into protoplasm was a very, very clever way of doing "bloodless carnage" whilst still being really quite chilling and horrific. No explosion of gore but at the same time no overly tame scream-and-fall-over cliche either.

Black Hat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Saw the movie yesterday. With no pun intended, I give it a solid B.

Without going into too much detail, the things that (again, no pun intended) bugged me the most were the two human murders that were needlessly callous and disgusting, and Otis's onscreen vomiting. We did NOT need any of those psychotic/gross-out moments in this movie, and I was so looking forward to this finally being a TF movie that wasn't going to have that kind of stuff in it, and yet the movie just couldn't get away without having them. Ugh.

Otis blowing chunks I can kind of agree with, I guess, but the two humans getting glooped actually felt well done to me. Like, it was nice that the Decepticons were not only actual competent threats, but also legitimately evil. Not just "We'll take over the world and...uh...impose harsh but ultimately humane and child-friendly working conditions on the native populace?" or "Bwahaha! We have stolen the MacGuffin and we're not giving it back, nyer nyer ni nyer nyer!". Like it's visceral, believable evil one would expect from hugely powerful alien bad guys, in much the same way as a cruel human might pull the wings off small insects. And the gun that turned the humans into protoplasm was a very, very clever way of doing "bloodless carnage" whilst still being really quite chilling and horrific. No explosion of gore but at the same time no overly tame scream-and-fall-over cliche either.

My problem wasn't with them killing the humans, but with how it was presented in the movie. It was sick and gross.

Sabrblade wrote:My problem wasn't with them killing the humans, but with how it was presented in the movie. It was sick and gross.

I mean the only way they could keep the Pg 13 is if they went DOTM and had them leave bones/dust behind but that would probably be way too dark for this movie.

I just thought of it like some parts in the Men in Black movies that had deaths like that too.

What makes it gross in your opinion?, the slime? It came across as silly more so then anything else, but that's just my thoughts.

Deadput wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:My problem wasn't with them killing the humans, but with how it was presented in the movie. It was sick and gross.

I mean the only way they could keep the Pg 13 is if they went DOTM and had them leave bones/dust behind but that would probably be way too dark for this movie.

I just thought of it like some parts in the Men in Black movies that had deaths like that too.

What makes it gross in your opinion?, the slime? It came across as silly more so then anything else, but that's just my thoughts.

Yeah, I mean, as far as movie deaths go, these two were a couple of the tamest I've ever seen.




Anyway, this movie was pure awesome. Its exactly what we should have gotten 11 years ago, and my personal hope is that the Bayverse is a forgotten memory now.

The opening scene on Cybertron was, to me, a love letter to my 5 year old self. Also, an apology for the previous 5 films. Seeing so many classic characters was a hoot.

The movie itself was great too. I had my sons with me (4 & 5), and while I cringed at a couple of the curse words (but lets be honest, they've heard far worse from me while driving), there wasn't a single scene in this movie I felt I needed to shield them from. Very family friendly.


Storyline was a basic one, but very well done.

One thing I didn't get... the scenses with the army, the soldiers kept acting like they were talking to someboy that u can't see.

I did feel that 'Bee might have come across as a tad bit over powered, but hey, plot armor.


I loved the soundtrack. Also, do NOT rickroll Bumblebee.


I'll probally have more thoughts latter, but its late, I'm still hyped, and probally need to see it again.


Let me just say, my sons who are sadly no where near as big of Transformer fans as me, and my wife, who activly dislikes Transformers, all loved this movie as well. My theatre clapped at the end.


Seriously, this film really drives how just how terrible the bay films are.

Deadput wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:My problem wasn't with them killing the humans, but with how it was presented in the movie. It was sick and gross.

I mean the only way they could keep the Pg 13 is if they went DOTM and had them leave bones/dust behind but that would probably be way too dark for this movie.

The sci-fi violence outside of the gross-out moments was already intense enough for a PG-13 rating. If the gross-out bits were truly the main reason that the film got rather PG-13 over PG, then that's as ludicrous an excuse as the 1986 movie having Spike and Magnus cuss to get rated PG over G. Both cases jar with literally everything else in the rest of each movie in terms of tone and decency.

Deadput wrote:I just thought of it like some parts in the Men in Black movies that had deaths like that too.

Men in Black is not a family-oriented film. It's an adult action comedy film.

Deadput wrote:What makes it gross in your opinion?, the slime? It came across as silly more so then anything else, but that's just my thoughts.

The very fact that they even showed the two humans being gunned down into sploosh onscreen right in front of our faces in and of itself. That by it's very nature is disturbing and detestable. And I fully get that it was supposed to be, but they could have presented Dropkick's gunning them down in a less disgusting fashion.

No decent human being should ever WANT to see another human being, no matter how imperfect they may be, callously executed (into a splash of puss, a petrified corpse, or whatever else) right before their eyes. That's the stuff of psychos and sickos.

Sabrblade wrote:No decent human being should ever WANT to see an empathetic living being, no matter how imperfect they may be, callously executed (into a splash of puss, a petrified corpse, or whatever else) right before their eyes. That's the stuff of psychos and sickos.

I mean it's not like the scene was presented like it was a good thing.

It's the same reason we see Cliffjumper get killed the way he does, were meant to dislike the villains because they do bad things, that way we feel happy when they get what's coming to them instead of feeling bad for them. (Although I've seen a few fans that think that the Decepticons in the whole franchise are just "tortured souls" and that the Autobots are monsters which is eh)

Dropkick is an irredeemable asshole who wants to murder things and we get to know that best by him being a murderous asshole, Good films with drama tend to have tension, deaths tend to be a provocative source of tension, it's why horror movies exist.

It wasn't gory so it's not like the film makers went through giving unnecessary amount of detail to the deaths unlike the way Transformers do.

I do agree that wanting to see people die is just...awful and despicable and I myself have a high moral compass about humanity and the awful things we do. (I have a heavy case of depression which I attest that a big part of it is because of how unfair and cruel life is and I get further depressed that I myself have parts of that because I'm human and it's part of our nature like getting angry or lying so it kinda hurts to stop and think that I'm sort of a hypocrite because I hate sinning and hateful acts, and it's part of why I have a poor temper and can get triggered pretty easy on here.)

The thing about humans is that despite the term "A decent human being" existing, no human can really live up to that term perfectly since we all have our own flaws and are natural sinners, I hate lying yet I do so when it's convenient to me (Unless it hurts another person directly), I hate violence yet I play and enjoy shooter games...although mostly the ones where you fight aliens like Halo or Mass Effect so I guess violence on Aliens doesn't count eh

Games like Halo aren't family games (despite parents letting their kids play them considering the age ratings...)

ZeroWolf wrote:Games like Halo aren't family games (despite parents letting their kids play them considering the age ratings...)

I mean there are several family films that have pretty grim moments like some Disney films or Pirates of the Caribbean.

But I see what you mean, although I wasn't really comparing those games with the movies, just saying that I enjoy playing them despite them being inherently violent.

Again, it wasn't the fact that Dropkick killed those two people at all that I took issue with, it was HOW the film presented his killing them that bother me. The movie could have so easily had him vaporize them without showing us their being reduced into puss onscreen.

Sabrblade wrote:Again, it wasn't the fact that Dropkick killed those two people at all that I took issue with, it was HOW the film presented his killing them that bother me. The movie could have so easily had him vaporize them without showing us their being reduced into puss onscreen.

Oh so your problem was showing the goo on screen, yeah I can understand that, while I didn't hate it or anything (actually I didn't have any strong feelings one way or the other) I do agree that it was unnecessary.

It was probably done so that they could show off another weird sort of gun like Hot Rod's time gun from TLK, as well as establish Dropkick as more of a bastard then Shatter.

If the movie did the human deaths off screen they could of probably changed the weapon to be even more terrifying like some sort of electric gun like the FOC Volt gun. (And although not show Powell's death we would still see Charlie and Memo's reaction to it.)

Sabrblade wrote:Again, it wasn't the fact that Dropkick killed those two people at all that I took issue with, it was HOW the film presented his killing them that bother me. The movie could have so easily had him vaporize them without showing us their being reduced into puss onscreen.

Agreed 100%. going a different route with that scene would have completely kept this film out of the "Poopamount" bag.

that was basically my only objection. strangely enough this film kind of reminded me of a better version of that 1990 Ninja Turtles movie

Deadput wrote:It was probably done so that they could show off another weird sort of gun like Hot Rod's time gun from TLK, as well as establish Dropkick as more of a bastard then Shatter.

Let's not kid ourselves, here. We know that some particular producers for this movie had some say in this film's contents, and this kind of needless gratuity was right up their alley, along with the likes of the masturbation conversation and Bumblebee peeing on Simmons in Movie 1, all of the NSFW content of ROTF, the bathroom scene with Jerry Wang in DOTM, the lingering focus on Lucas's murdered remains in AOE, and the "Ha ha, Vivian's mother and aunts think that Vivian and Cade are having wild sex in her father's study" scene in TLK.

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:It was probably done so that they could show off another weird sort of gun like Hot Rod's time gun from TLK, as well as establish Dropkick as more of a bastard then Shatter.

Let's not kid ourselves, here. We know that some particular producers for this movie had some say in this film's contents, and this kind of needless gratuity was right up their alley, along with the likes of the masturbation conversation and Bumblebee peeing on Simmons in Movie 1, all of the NSFW content of ROTF, the bathroom scene with Jerry Wang in DOTM, the lingering focus on Lucas's murdered remains in AOE, and the "Ha ha, Vivian's mother and aunts think that Vivian and Cade are having wild sex in her father's study" scene in TLK.

Honestly, it was that bad, and it wasn't remotely gratuitous. Those were two of the tamest tv/movie deaths I've seen in, well, ever. I think your making a huge deal out of nothing. You see worse stuff in Looney tunes.

Ironhidensh wrote:You see worse stuff in Looney tunes.

Nuh uh. Looney Tunes stuff doesn't look real.

Sabrblade wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:You see worse stuff in Looney tunes.

Nuh uh. Looney Tunes stuff doesn't look real.

Neither did that.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:You see worse stuff in Looney tunes.

Nuh uh. Looney Tunes stuff doesn't look real.

Neither did that.

That CG fluid sure looked photo-realistic enough to me, as it was meant to look.

Like something that could actually be held in a real world cup or other object used to hold liquids.

So I finally watched it today. It was fine, nothing really lives up to those first 15 mins. I love the G1 sequence but I expecially like that fight against Blitzwing. It felt like the caliber action and fighting you see in Avengers. I really liked hat it was happening during the day.
The movie as a whole is ok though. I much preffer this villain plot of simply bringing an army to destroy the world as opposed to another Mcguffin.

I did not catch the Simmons cameo though, but regardless I dont understand how anyone seeing this film would not think it takes place in Bayverse. It ends with BB turning into a camarrow, I mean come on. We even see him in robot mode looking more or less like he did at the begining of the 2007 film. At least not different enough for anyone to think the films arent related.

Also, almost no joke landed with me. I am happy that no joke pissed me off, but the only one I found funnt was Bee's response to Cena's salute. That was perfect (it helps that I also rather like that specific ending freeze frame with the simple minds song playing over it).

I am still not sure if I preffer this film to AOE though. Not that AOE is better, its not, but I really like how epic and balls out it went without pissing me off. It had also finally made thigns clearer to understand due to colour coordinating the bots and changed teh settings up plus finally made Optimus the main **** character. I can defend that stance more but nobody cares, and I am ok with that. Bee is obviously the better film though, I just don't know if I will ever rewatch it again in full, that middle point got really draggy.

Deadput wrote:Man, poor Cliffjumper, on one had I'm disappointed that they pulled a TFP on him so that even if this is a reboot they can't really use him again with the way he went out.

On the other I can't even be mad with the way he went out, he was a brave soldier to the end and his murder truly makes the films Decepticons even more of a threat and gives us another reason to cheer when they get what they deserve.

I felt really emotional after seeing that. Cliffjumper is my favorite character, so seeing him die so quickly again after TFP.. It was almost unbearable. Yet I still loved the movie. Just seeing him die in such a horrible fashion actually made me WANT those Decepticons to die, and hohoo they did..

Also personally, I feel this movie was connected to the last ones in script only, but only because Paramount thought a full reboot right away was too risky. But it is still a reboot essentially. It's totally different in every way. Sorta like it's a "prequel in name only".

But yeah, I'm just feeling both amazed and also saddened by Cliffjumper's death. The movie was excellent, but that moment tore me up. TFP already did this to me, damn it! I hope to God they do a Cybertron movie set at the same starting point as Bumblebee showing Optimus eacape and Cliffjumper and everyone fighting while Bumblebee's gone. That would be super good. I just want to see my boy Cliffjumper more.

Also all the Decepticons in this movie (on Earth) having died, and there being no Barricade in this one, I wonder if Barricade was a removed concept from this movie to taper off into reboot territory more easily.

Sabrblade wrote:Again, it wasn't the fact that Dropkick killed those two people at all that I took issue with, it was HOW the film presented his killing them that bother me. The movie could have so easily had him vaporize them without showing us their being reduced into puss onscreen.

That is... Not at all how I pictured it. I think we have some pervy minds in this thread. To me it just seemed like they were trying to show the deaths on screen without them being too gory or graphic. And green goo was the energon, red would've been blood, blue and orange also are energon in times past, so.. How else do you do it? Black? Idk, that's just a big weird stretch I took 0 notice of while or since watching the film.

SillyMcGilly wrote:Also all the Decepticons in this movie (on Earth) having died, and there being no Barricade in this one, I wonder if Barricade was a removed concept from this movie to taper off into reboot territory more easily.

But how can it go into reboot territory when Bee looks abot the same as he did when we first see him in the 2007 movie?

Also, the director said this was not a reboot and was never meant to be so I dont know why people are still thinking this. And why would it matter that it ties into the Bay films or not, all that matters is that a film is good. Fast Five is in the same franchise as 2 Fast 2 Furious and the Star Wars films are all over the place in terms of quality even though they share the same continuity.

Optimus and the other Autobots arriving on Earth completely destroys any credibility that this is a prequel, same with Bee arriving in the 80's instead of being around in WW2 with Hot Rod.

I have no idea what you mean with the Camaro robot design, it's drastically different from the 2007 version I have a picture of it that I'm not going to post but I've looked at the design a fair bit and it's just way different from the 2007 one.

Shatter and Dropkick are literally inside the Hoover Dam and do not detect either the Allspark or Megatron, Powell also says that meeting Shatter and Dropkick is the organization's first contact which wouldn't be the case if they had already met Megatron and had him and the Allspark at their base.

Allspark isn't mentioned anywhere which is very important since Bee's mission is to establish a base on Earth and not anything about the Allspark.

Another big thing is that Optimus refers to Earth as an unknown planet in the 2007 films intro yet in Bumblebee he already knows about Earth.


I know this went into production as a prequel but as a prequel it literally doesn't work as one.

william-james88 wrote:

SillyMcGilly wrote:Also all the Decepticons in this movie (on Earth) having died, and there being no Barricade in this one, I wonder if Barricade was a removed concept from this movie to taper off into reboot territory more easily.

But how can it go into reboot territory when Bee looks abot the same as he did when we first see him in the 2007 movie?

Also, the director said this was not a reboot and was never meant to be so I dont know why people are still thinking this. And why would it matter that it ties into the Bay films or not, all that matters is that a film is good. Fast Five is in the same franchise as 2 Fast 2 Furious and the Star Wars films are all over the place in terms of quality even though they share the same continuity.

He never said that it was never meant as a reboot either.

Also again he does not look anything like he does in 2007, it's a completely different robot mode.

Nobody is going to give a damn about what happens in the next movie or a Cybertron movie because they killed off everyone in the other 5 movies so you can't have them die in the "prequels" but you don't get invested into the character because they end up getting killed like a punk.

Why should I care if Jazz is in the next film if ultimately he dies as an underdeveloped character in a movie that's already came out?