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Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:I dont know if ypu got my point

im saying bots under govt control means the rest of the world does NOT sleep easy, knowing that they have to do what the controlling forces say, as they have this awesome arsenal in their power.

oohh ok i get it my bad yea that makes sense but it means whoever has them under there control there people will sleep easy.

oh yes the people will feel secure, unless they are identified as "radicals" or "terrorists"

thats what I was going to say if the "radicals" or "terrorists" have the bots to there disposal then they would feel secure and we would be screwed

no im saying that the people undr the govt would be secure unless the govt decided that a certaun group in society were against the state

shamone wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:I dont know if ypu got my point

im saying bots under govt control means the rest of the world does NOT sleep easy, knowing that they have to do what the controlling forces say, as they have this awesome arsenal in their power.

oohh ok i get it my bad yea that makes sense but it means whoever has them under there control there people will sleep easy.

oh yes the people will feel secure, unless they are identified as "radicals" or "terrorists"

thats what I was going to say if the "radicals" or "terrorists" have the bots to there disposal then they would feel secure and we would be screwed

no im saying that the people undr the govt would be secure unless the govt decided that a certaun group in society were against the state

oh so just the govt would be safe and society thats not part of the govt is in fear it doesnt seem like that in the movie there just using the bots to take out who the govt deems "bad" idk maybe im just confused or losing my mind haha

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:I dont know if ypu got my point

im saying bots under govt control means the rest of the world does NOT sleep easy, knowing that they have to do what the controlling forces say, as they have this awesome arsenal in their power.

oohh ok i get it my bad yea that makes sense but it means whoever has them under there control there people will sleep easy.

oh yes the people will feel secure, unless they are identified as "radicals" or "terrorists"

thats what I was going to say if the "radicals" or "terrorists" have the bots to there disposal then they would feel secure and we would be screwed

no im saying that the people undr the govt would be secure unless the govt decided that a certaun group in society were against the state

oh so just the govt would be safe and society thats not part of the govt is in fear it doesnt seem like that in the movie there just using the bots to take out who the govt deems "bad" idk maybe im just confused or losing my mind haha

yes thats it

"enemies of the state" would not sleep well, be they domestic or international

propaganda and chicanery can turn anyone into an enemy of the state

shamone wrote:propaganda and chicanery can turn anyone into an enemy of the state

True, its a shame

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:propaganda and chicanery can turn anyone into an enemy of the state

True, its a shame

which is why autobots as world police is a no no

shamone wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:propaganda and chicanery can turn anyone into an enemy of the state

True, its a shame

which is why autobots as world police is a no no

Agreed

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:propaganda and chicanery can turn anyone into an enemy of the state

True, its a shame

which is why autobots as world police is a no no

Agreed

And hence.....NEST a "Global" organization Although I hear what your saying about "enemy's of the state" and who the government deems "needs to go"

dirk2243 wrote:NEST a "Global" organization

i total missed that haha

yea, NEST is a "Global" organization.
but it still make no sense that the autobots take sides and to solve human conflicts.
only that one human faction "UN" or whatever you name it, which are supposedly doing the right thing (not saying they are not), give them the right to "use" the autobots for their advantage. that seems to be wrong.

imo, they should solve their true conflicts the decepticons and cybertron.

dirk2243 wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:propaganda and chicanery can turn anyone into an enemy of the state

True, its a shame

which is why autobots as world police is a no no

Agreed

And hence.....NEST a "Global" organization Although I hear what your saying about "enemy's of the state" and who the government deems "needs to go"

the thing with nest being global is

- the bots permanent base is US
- they are led by US military personnel
- the US congress/Senate (not sure which, its not my country) passed a bill demanding the autobots leave earth. was any other nation consulted, it didnt seem that way, America acted unilaterally (how unlike them) in a decision which affected the world


Nests independence is not that clear

shamone wrote:

dirk2243 wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:propaganda and chicanery can turn anyone into an enemy of the state

True, its a shame

which is why autobots as world police is a no no

Agreed

And hence.....NEST a "Global" organization Although I hear what your saying about "enemy's of the state" and who the government deems "needs to go"

the thing with nest being global is

- the bots permanent base is US
- they are led by US military personnel
- the US congress/Senate (not sure which, its not my country) passed a bill demanding the autobots leave earth. was any other nation consulted, it didnt seem that way, America acted unilaterally (how unlike them) in a decision which affected the world


Nests independence is not that clear

Well your right. But NEST is based at or was in ROTF on Diego Garcia which is 50-50 British and American Base. And usually with Joint orginazations a General/foreign equivelant of is usually only in charge for 12-18 months before being replaced by another country/leader. So.....this could just be shown as US time in charge.

Although your right in a lot of that as "I'll see your joint cheifs and raise you a president" quote from ROTF. In DOTM it was in US.....perhaps cause Ravage n Soundwave fouund out.

I'm sure if the film would have been made in and by Austrailians or the French or the Germans or whoever....it would have been based elsewhere. Since Bay made it.....It would have added to the cost of the budget to ship all those cars elsewhere, film crew, hotels....etc, etc. I think you have a great point...could have shown other countries in NEST more then they do.

shamone wrote:the thing with nest being global is

- the bots permanent base is US
- they are led by US military personnel
- the US congress/Senate (not sure which, its not my country) passed a bill demanding the autobots leave earth. was any other nation consulted, it didnt seem that way, America acted unilaterally (how unlike them) in a decision which affected the world


Nests independence is not that clear

thats why i didn't think nest was "global".

dirk2243 wrote:

shamone wrote:

dirk2243 wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:propaganda and chicanery can turn anyone into an enemy of the state

True, its a shame

which is why autobots as world police is a no no

Agreed

And hence.....NEST a "Global" organization Although I hear what your saying about "enemy's of the state" and who the government deems "needs to go"

the thing with nest being global is

- the bots permanent base is US
- they are led by US military personnel
- the US congress/Senate (not sure which, its not my country) passed a bill demanding the autobots leave earth. was any other nation consulted, it didnt seem that way, America acted unilaterally (how unlike them) in a decision which affected the world


Nests independence is not that clear

Well your right. But NEST is based at or was in ROTF on Diego Garcia which is 50-50 British and American Base. And usually with Joint orginazations a General/foreign equivelant of is usually only in charge for 12-18 months before being replaced by another country/leader. So.....this could just be shown as US time in charge.

Although your right in a lot of that as "I'll see your joint cheifs and raise you a president" quote from ROTF. In DOTM it was in US.....perhaps cause Ravage n Soundwave fouund out.

I'm sure if the film would have been made in and by Austrailians or the French or the Germans or whoever....it would have been based elsewhere. Since Bay made it.....It would have added to the cost of the budget to ship all those cars elsewhere, film crew, hotels....etc, etc. I think you have a great point...could have shown other countries in NEST more then they do.

actually i forgot to mention about the potus and galloway in rotf which does seem to suggest that ultimate authority lies with in the white house

They did show very few other army personnel from around the world, one brit is all i can remember

shamone wrote:actually i forgot to mention about the potus and galloway in rotf which does seem to suggest that ultimate authority lies with in the white house

They did show very few other army personnel from around the world, one brit is all i can remember

So are we saying that in the movies autobots are under nest control which is under the control of the US but possibly the UN

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:actually i forgot to mention about the potus and galloway in rotf which does seem to suggest that ultimate authority lies with in the white house

They did show very few other army personnel from around the world, one brit is all i can remember

So are we saying that in the movies autobots are under nest control which is under the control of the US but possibly the UN

Sounds good to me.......

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:actually i forgot to mention about the potus and galloway in rotf which does seem to suggest that ultimate authority lies with in the white house

They did show very few other army personnel from around the world, one brit is all i can remember

So are we saying that in the movies autobots are under nest control which is under the control of the US but possibly the UN

it seems nest is answerable to the potus.

ther eis no mention of any other civilian governments

shamone wrote:

Alec wrote:

shamone wrote:actually i forgot to mention about the potus and galloway in rotf which does seem to suggest that ultimate authority lies with in the white house

They did show very few other army personnel from around the world, one brit is all i can remember

So are we saying that in the movies autobots are under nest control which is under the control of the US but possibly the UN

it seems nest is answerable to the potus.

ther eis no mention of any other civilian governments

oh ok sounds good!