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Stormshot_Prime wrote:I really really hope they finally commit to rebooting the live action movies. Audiences are well familiar with the concept, and it’s sorely needed

It's as if they just can't let go of the memories of how much of a money-making goldmine each of the first four movies were.

They should have finished the Knight trilogy first.

Sabrblade wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:I really really hope they finally commit to rebooting the live action movies. Audiences are well familiar with the concept, and it’s sorely needed

It's as if they just can't let go of the memories of how much of a money-making goldmine each of the first four movies were.

Exactly. Plus, those films have a built in audience and people like familiarity. No point in alienating the audience.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:I really really hope they finally commit to rebooting the live action movies. Audiences are well familiar with the concept, and it’s sorely needed

It's as if they just can't let go of the memories of how much of a money-making goldmine each of the first four movies were.

Exactly. Plus, those films have a built in audience and people like familiarity. No point in alienating the audience.

That’s a good point. It’s just a shame that the continuity itself is pretty **** by this point, but I guess as long as the movies bring in that money.

Rodimus Prime wrote:They should have finished the Knight trilogy first.

Question is, would anyone see it? Bumblebee apparently already suffered in the box office from backlash over Last Knight's reception; I doubt a direct sequel would garner much sympathy even if it was better made.

Stormshot_Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:I really really hope they finally commit to rebooting the live action movies. Audiences are well familiar with the concept, and it’s sorely needed

It's as if they just can't let go of the memories of how much of a money-making goldmine each of the first four movies were.

Exactly. Plus, those films have a built in audience and people like familiarity. No point in alienating the audience.

That’s a good point. It’s just a shame that the continuity itself is pretty **** by this point, but I guess as long as the movies bring in that money.

Well, they'll have to at some point if they're making that Hasbro Cinematic Universe, otherwise it's the same "mesh together pre-established continuities and rush in new ones" mess from the Hasbro Comic Universe. Unless they already gave up on it.

Also, didn't TLK's performance prove that continuity isn't as successful anymore? At least not in their pre-Bumblebee approach?

There wasn't much continuity in the first place to be far, the fans cared for it more then the writers.

ZeroWolf wrote:There wasn't much continuity in the first place to be far, the fans cared for it more then the writers.

True that.

I'm all for a fresh reboot, Bee Movie being Episode 1 of the new series.

The only real continuity that there was between the movies came primarily from the expanded universe tie-in material (comics, novels, webshows, etc.) that filled in the blanks for just the first three movies. And then AOE came along and tossed all of that out the window.

Though, I feel like TLK was as poorly done as it was on purpose, at least on Bay's part. He'd been wanting out of these movies since before DOTM, but Hasbro kept sending dump trucks full of cash to dump on his front lawn. TLK felt like he was trying to make a movie so bad that it would finally convince Hasbro to let him go (at least as a director, since he was still a producer on Bumblebee). I mean, putting Nazi banners on Winston Churchill's estate, of all things? The offensiveness of that decision had to be intentional. No sane, respectable person would have done that if they weren't trying to get themselves axed.

Sabrblade wrote:The only real continuity that there was between the movies came primarily from the expanded universe tie-in material (comics, novels, webshows, etc.) that filled in the blanks for just the first three movies. And then AOE came along and tossed all of that out the window.

Though, I feel like TLK was as poorly done as it was on purpose, at least on Bay's part. He'd been wanting out of these movies since before DOTM, but Hasbro kept sending dump trucks full of cash to dump on his front lawn. TLK felt like he was trying to make a movie so bad that it would finally convince Hasbro to let him go (at least as a director, since he was still a producer on Bumblebee). I mean, putting Nazi banners on Winston Churchill's estate, of all things? The offensiveness of that decision had to be intentional. No sane, respectable person would have done that if they weren't trying to get themselves axed.

Haha lol, very sharp my friend.

Yes, Bay didn't care anymore with that last one. It's everywhere, I was extremely dissapointed and I watched Revenge of the Fallen.

But this whole, lets start a flippin trilogy. Get out of here, just make 1 good or at least decent movie. See how it's received and then a sequel.

Anyway, todays consumers vote with their wallets more and more. That's why nonsense like Star Wars etc. are slowely dying as a marketing strategy.

Good movies will be rewarded. Bad ones riding on nostalgia or pre established work by talented people will eventually crash and burn. It may take 3 movies to get there, but the people decide in the end. I refuse to watch the Last Jedi and it's on Netflix I think.

Just keep that Cybertron scene vibe from Bumblebee and just be good and creative.

Here's an alternative: the next trilogy sets up the backstory to the end of the Last Knight and the potential emergence of Unicron. Then, after that trilogy, they resume after with the Unicron storyline. It allows the expansion on the background of Unicron and the menace he presents.

and none of them will release on time. also if this flops they will cancel them all. but hey go ahead and say you plan to make 3 of them

noctorro wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The only real continuity that there was between the movies came primarily from the expanded universe tie-in material (comics, novels, webshows, etc.) that filled in the blanks for just the first three movies. And then AOE came along and tossed all of that out the window.

Though, I feel like TLK was as poorly done as it was on purpose, at least on Bay's part. He'd been wanting out of these movies since before DOTM, but Hasbro kept sending dump trucks full of cash to dump on his front lawn. TLK felt like he was trying to make a movie so bad that it would finally convince Hasbro to let him go (at least as a director, since he was still a producer on Bumblebee). I mean, putting Nazi banners on Winston Churchill's estate, of all things? The offensiveness of that decision had to be intentional. No sane, respectable person would have done that if they weren't trying to get themselves axed.

Haha lol, very sharp my friend.

Yes, Bay didn't care anymore with that last one. It's everywhere, I was extremely dissapointed and I watched Revenge of the Fallen.

But this whole, lets start a flippin trilogy. Get out of here, just make 1 good or at least decent movie. See how it's received and then a sequel.

Anyway, todays consumers vote with their wallets more and more. That's why nonsense like Star Wars etc. are slowely dying as a marketing strategy.

Good movies will be rewarded. Bad ones riding on nostalgia or pre established work by talented people will eventually crash and burn. It may take 3 movies to get there, but the people decide in the end. I refuse to watch the Last Jedi and it's on Netflix I think.

Just keep that Cybertron scene vibe from Bumblebee and just be good and creative.

It probably didn't help the continuity that every film since Revenge of the Fallen had the same plot beat of "the Transformers actually were here in the past and changed human history", needing a new retcon for every new period they supposedly interfered with.

Though honestly, I blame the failure of TLK not (just) on Bay's usual hands off, "effects first story second" directing, but also on whatever exec decided to pick three different story pitches from the new writers room and cram them all into a single movie.

I also didn't feel as disappointed with TLK as I was with RoTF. Maybe it's because I heard so many people badmouth TLK and was expecting something worse, maybe it's because RoTF picked a part of the mythos I love (the Thirteen) and completely squandered it.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:There wasn't much continuity in the first place to be far, the fans cared for it more then the writers.

True that.

I'm all for a fresh reboot, Bee Movie being Episode 1 of the new series.

Bumblebee doesn't feel fresh enough. While I like the film as stand alone, it is also an origin movie for the Bayverse Bee many kids grew up with. Like how he lost his voice and learnt to express himself with the radio. And at the end he even transforms into a similar car that we see in the beginning of Transformers 1. Plus, he has the same Bayverse Bee face, it's all still too Bay for me to consider it a fresh start.

By the way, someone is posting what I am 100% sure is a purposely false rumour but oh man would this piss people off. Someone said, what if Scourge in ROTB is actually a future version of Bayverse Prime that came back to the past to ensure the autobots don't get whatever maguffin this film is about. Like that you can change the past (and future) but still preserve the Bay continuity, kinda like what Star Trek did.

william-james88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:There wasn't much continuity in the first place to be far, the fans cared for it more then the writers.

True that.

I'm all for a fresh reboot, Bee Movie being Episode 1 of the new series.

Bumblebee doesn't feel fresh enough. While I like the film as stand alone, it is also an origin movie for the Bayverse Bee many kids grew up with. Like how he lost his voice and learnt to express himself with the radio. And at the end he even transforms into a similar car that we see in the beginning of Transformers 1. Plus, he has the same Bayverse Bee face, it's all still too Bay for me to consider it a fresh start.

By the way, someone is posting what I am 100% sure is a purposely false rumour but oh man would this piss people off. Someone said, what if Scourge in ROTB is actually a future version of Bayverse Prime that came back to the past to ensure the autobots don't get whatever maguffin this film is about. Like that you can change the past (and future) but still preserve the Bay continuity, kinda like what Star Trek did.

Kinda an interesting concept actually. If it turn out to be true, let's hope it will be better handled than the abysmal "Nemesis Prime" from TLK.

william-james88 wrote:By the way, someone is posting what I am 100% sure is a purposely false rumour but oh man would this piss people off. Someone said, what if Scourge in ROTB is actually a future version of Bayverse Prime that came back to the past to ensure the autobots don't get whatever maguffin this film is about. Like that you can change the past (and future) but still preserve the Bay continuity, kinda like what Star Trek did.

To me, that sounds like someone yanked that idea from the Nemesis Prime seen in Netflix WFCT cartoon: An evil Optimus from the future battling his heroic past self trying to change history.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:By the way, someone is posting what I am 100% sure is a purposely false rumour but oh man would this piss people off. Someone said, what if Scourge in ROTB is actually a future version of Bayverse Prime that came back to the past to ensure the autobots don't get whatever maguffin this film is about. Like that you can change the past (and future) but still preserve the Bay continuity, kinda like what Star Trek did.

To me, that sounds like someone yanked that idea from the Nemesis Prime seen in Netflix WFCT cartoon: An evil Optimus from the future battling his heroic past self trying to change history.

Oh for sure, it's just a joke to see people lose their ****.

Let's just hope they stick with the trilogy idea, and not run it into the ground with more sequels like they did before.

Anyone else hoping to see a Barricade appearance?

Day 810 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

TulioDude wrote:Anyone else hoping to see a Barricade appearance?

Day 810 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

One can hope, he shows up in every other movie, so odds are in his favor right now

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

TulioDude wrote:Anyone else hoping to see a Barricade appearance?

Day 810 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

One can hope, he shows up in every other movie, so odds are in his favor right now

With how often these movies keep intending to kill him off yet never quite succeed in that department, who knows?

Was the robot character list we got before supposed to be for all of the ones that appear in the movie, or just for the main ones and not including any minor/background ones?

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

TulioDude wrote:Anyone else hoping to see a Barricade appearance?

Day 810 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

One can hope, he shows up in every other movie, so odds are in his favor right now

With how often these movies keep intending to kill him off yet never quite succeed in that department, who knows?

Was the robot character list we got before supposed to be for all of the ones that appear in the movie, or just for the main ones and not including any minor/background ones?

Unsure, I have sort of been disconnected from the movie rumor news, so we will need someone else to talk about it. But i have a feeling it was a full character list, or meant to be, despite there being maybe 4 beasts listed only

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

TulioDude wrote:Anyone else hoping to see a Barricade appearance?

Day 810 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

One can hope, he shows up in every other movie, so odds are in his favor right now

With how often these movies keep intending to kill him off yet never quite succeed in that department, who knows?

Was the robot character list we got before supposed to be for all of the ones that appear in the movie, or just for the main ones and not including any minor/background ones?

Unsure, I have sort of been disconnected from the movie rumor news, so we will need someone else to talk about it. But i have a feeling it was a full character list, or meant to be, despite there being maybe 4 beasts listed only

Barricade keeping appearing in between movies is really cool.

About the character list for Rise of the Beasts,I feel every movie since Revenge of The Fallen has huge character list,even if the main cast is smaller.Bumblebee is a goor example of this;you can describe the movie main robots to be Bumblebee,Shatter and Dropkick,with other Transformers being reserved for othert scenes.
That's what I imagine as a possibility for ROTB.

Hasbro held a retailer and investor event to show what was coming up in the next 2 years and highlighted the upcoming Transformers Rise of the Beasts film. For Rise of the Beasts, they gave us a title card which features Inca styled carvings of Predacons and Maximals in their beast modes. We can see Optimus Primal, Dinobot, Scorponok, Terrorsaur, Cheetor, Airazor, one of the Spider bots, Rattrap and even Megatron in a fetal position at the very bottom of the circle where all these beasts are carved. At the far right and left we have profiles of Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal though these are of their WFC looks and not their movie look. That last part should remind everyone that this poster is not indicative of anything other than Hasbro wanting a nice backdrop to the logo which combines the themes of Cybertronians coming in contact with ancient civilizations, which has been an ongoing theme in the live action films. We still do not know if the Predacons will actually be in the film as substantial characters or merely a mention, like a wall carving. Hasbro also confirmed the release date being the June 9th 2023 and that it is a sequel to the Bumblebee movie. Here is exactly what was said by Jenny Whitlock, VP of Global Franchises at Hasbro:

“We’re partnering with eOne, Paramount, and a visionary new director to bring to life a Transformers story like you’ve never seen. The film will pick up after the events of 2018’s Bumblebee and follows Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, and an unlikely team of humans who are joined by a group of powerful new allies; the Transformers Beasts. The introduction of beast characters will be a significant moment for all. From kids to core fans, and especially those who grew up with Beast Wars in the 90s. Transformers: Rise of the Beasts raises the stakes and set us up for what’s to come over the next few years in our film franchise.”

Oh no, I hope this doesn't mean more "ancient astronauts" BS. It was cute the first movie, but five of them in a row was ridiculous.

JazZeke wrote:Oh no, I hope this doesn't mean more "ancient astronauts" BS. It was cute the first movie, but five of them in a row was ridiculous.

The theme of that poster is clearly ancient astronauts, whether that figures in the film or not.