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Interesting. Hope they invested significant time in script rewrites and the character development.

Fortress_Maximus wrote:Interesting. Hope they invested significant time in script rewrites and the character development.

Not a chance, if we go by the director's previous remarks. It's gonna be hot garbage on screen.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fortress_Maximus wrote:Interesting. Hope they invested significant time in script rewrites and the character development.

Not a chance, if we go by the director's previous remarks. It's gonna be hot garbage on screen.

Is there anyone on this site more cynical than you, RP?

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fortress_Maximus wrote:Interesting. Hope they invested significant time in script rewrites and the character development.

Not a chance, if we go by the director's previous remarks. It's gonna be hot garbage on screen.

Is there anyone on this site more cynical than you, RP?

I'm just conditioned to have low expectations when it comes to the live action stuff. It's definitely been more miss than hit. Add to it what I've read so far regarding the story, and this thing is DOA. It'll probably look good though. But like the saying goes, it's gonna be all sizzle, no steak.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fortress_Maximus wrote:Interesting. Hope they invested significant time in script rewrites and the character development.

Not a chance, if we go by the director's previous remarks. It's gonna be hot garbage on screen.

Is there anyone on this site more cynical than you, RP?

I'm just conditioned to have low expectations when it comes to the live action stuff. It's definitely been more miss than hit. Add to it what I've read so far regarding the story, and this thing is DOA. It'll probably look good though. But like the saying goes, it's gonna be all sizzle, no steak.

I guess I'm less picky. I enjoy everything new. And I'm not a big fan of expectations with any movies. I don't want the movies to conform to anything, like canon or whatnot. I just want to have fun.

Incidentally, the new D and D movie was a HUGE pile of fun. They NAILED it. It actually felt like my old gaming groups, right down to ridiculous plans that either work despite everyone's worst effort or they fail spectacularly. Plus there was a fat dragon. That was awesome.

First-Aid wrote:I guess I'm less picky. I enjoy everything new.

Even the following when each of them were first new?

• Beast Machines
• The Energon cartoon
• Kiss Players
• The Combiner Wars cartoon
• The Titans Return cartoon
• The Power of the Primes cartoon
• The Siege cartoon
• The Earthrise cartoon

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:I guess I'm less picky. I enjoy everything new.

Even the following when each of them were first new?

• Beast Machines
• The Energon cartoon
• Kiss Players
• The Combiner Wars cartoon
• The Titans Return cartoon
• The Power of the Primes cartoon
• The Siege cartoon
• The Earthrise cartoon

Actually, yeah. I had fun with all of them. Yes, there were some that I enjoyed less (Energon), and I did not get into the Kiss Players at all. I have not seen the Earthspark cartoon yet...waiting to "rent" the DVD; not shelling out for ANOTHER flippin streaming service. Maybe I'm easily amused, but the more new there is, the more I like it. That's probably why I'm so burned out on G1 Redux and Generations and continuously re-doing those characters. It's cool to see those figures again, but they keep redoing the same core characters (not just Prime and Megs). The movies are completely different takes, which is refreshing. I enjoy that.

To each his/her own. I'm glad you're getting enjoyment out of new product along with probably millions of others, otherwise the franchise would lose steam and get less funding from and attention by Hasbro. For every 1 fan like me, there are probably 10 like you, so I'm not worried. I'll just try to get interested in the next project. Just because IMO the new movie will be a steaming pile of ape excrement, doesn't mean the next project (whether it be a show, comic, movie or toyline) won't be good.

Rodimus Prime wrote:To each his/her own. I'm glad you're getting enjoyment out of new product along with probably millions of others, otherwise the franchise would lose steam and get less funding from and attention by Hasbro. For every 1 fan like me, there are probably 10 like you, so I'm not worried. I'll just try to get interested in the next project. Just because IMO the new movie will be a steaming pile of ape excrement, doesn't mean the next project (whether it be a show, comic, movie or toyline) won't be good.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

TransTech.

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:To each his/her own. I'm glad you're getting enjoyment out of new product along with probably millions of others, otherwise the franchise would lose steam and get less funding from and attention by Hasbro. For every 1 fan like me, there are probably 10 like you, so I'm not worried. I'll just try to get interested in the next project. Just because IMO the new movie will be a steaming pile of ape excrement, doesn't mean the next project (whether it be a show, comic, movie or toyline) won't be good.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

TransTech.

Would have happened if more people had liked and accepted Beast Machines just the way it was, instead of whining and claiming that it "ruined Beast Wars FOREVER!!"

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:To each his/her own. I'm glad you're getting enjoyment out of new product along with probably millions of others, otherwise the franchise would lose steam and get less funding from and attention by Hasbro. For every 1 fan like me, there are probably 10 like you, so I'm not worried. I'll just try to get interested in the next project. Just because IMO the new movie will be a steaming pile of ape excrement, doesn't mean the next project (whether it be a show, comic, movie or toyline) won't be good.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

TransTech.

Would have happened if more people had liked and accepted Beast Machines just the way it was, instead of whining and claiming that it "ruined Beast Wars FOREVER!!"

I think that was when the serious whininess of the fandom began. I remember the whole Trukk not Munkey thing, but that was when people started acting like entitled little turds. Beast Machines is my wife's second favorite TF series (Prime is her fave). She felt like she was a able to connect with the characters more.

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:To each his/her own. I'm glad you're getting enjoyment out of new product along with probably millions of others, otherwise the franchise would lose steam and get less funding from and attention by Hasbro. For every 1 fan like me, there are probably 10 like you, so I'm not worried. I'll just try to get interested in the next project. Just because IMO the new movie will be a steaming pile of ape excrement, doesn't mean the next project (whether it be a show, comic, movie or toyline) won't be good.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

TransTech.

Would have happened if more people had liked and accepted Beast Machines just the way it was, instead of whining and claiming that it "ruined Beast Wars FOREVER!!"

I think that was when the serious whininess of the fandom began. I remember the whole Trukk not Munkey thing, but that was when people started acting like entitled little turds. Beast Machines is my wife's second favorite TF series (Prime is her fave). She felt like she was a able to connect with the characters more.

The Car Robots toyline also being out at the same time in Japan and appealing to the Western fandom's Geewun nostalgia certainly didn't help things for Beast Machines.

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:To each his/her own. I'm glad you're getting enjoyment out of new product along with probably millions of others, otherwise the franchise would lose steam and get less funding from and attention by Hasbro. For every 1 fan like me, there are probably 10 like you, so I'm not worried. I'll just try to get interested in the next project. Just because IMO the new movie will be a steaming pile of ape excrement, doesn't mean the next project (whether it be a show, comic, movie or toyline) won't be good.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

TransTech.

Would have happened if more people had liked and accepted Beast Machines just the way it was, instead of whining and claiming that it "ruined Beast Wars FOREVER!!"

I think that was when the serious whininess of the fandom began. I remember the whole Trukk not Munkey thing, but that was when people started acting like entitled little turds. Beast Machines is my wife's second favorite TF series (Prime is her fave). She felt like she was a able to connect with the characters more.

The Car Robots toyline also being out at the same time in Japan and appealing to the Western fandom's Geewun nostalgia certainly didn't help things for Beast Machines.

Agreed. Anyone who didn't like Beast Machines can take it up with my wife. We'll all attend the wake...

First-Aid wrote:Anyone who didn't like Beast Machines can take it up with my wife.

Feel free to show this post to Mrs. Aid.

As a big fan of Beast Wars, I was disappointed in Beast Machines. I didn't like the character designs, most of the characters themselves, or their development through the story. They got a couple of things right, such as Megatron and his dynamic with Optimus, as well as the ending of the story. But I felt I had to sit through too much junk time and story to get to it. I watched it once in 2009, don't care to see it ever again.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Anyone who didn't like Beast Machines can take it up with my wife.

Feel free to show this post to Mrs. Aid.

As a big fan of Beast Wars, I was disappointed in Beast Machines. I didn't like the character designs, most of the characters themselves, or their development through the story. They got a couple of things right, such as Megatron and his dynamic with Optimus, as well as the ending of the story. But I felt I had to sit through too much junk time and story to get to it. I watched it once in 2009, don't care to see it ever again.

She says...well, I'm not going to repeat what she said. It's impolite. Let's say it involved a garden hose, a horse, a dinosaur-sized pile of excrement, a branding iron, and a body orifice

My wife rocks.

Besides, the complaints about Beast Machines that killed Transtech were the ones given in 2000. Complaints about Beast Machines that were given in 2009 are irrelevant in this context.

On a related note, people wish that ROTB Optimus Primal had more color besides grey, light gray, dark gray, and gray black. Well, imagine just how colorful his movie model would have been if he had been colored like this (source credit link):

Sabrblade wrote:On a related note, people wish that ROTB Optimus Primal had more color besides grey, light gray, dark gray, and gray black. Well, imagine just how colorful his movie model would have been if he had been colored like this (source credit link):

Probably would have been a bit more appealing to children.

Well, we had warned everyone thinking the Rise of the Beasts film was a full on reboot to temper their expectations since we never had a public confirmation using those words. After all, Hasbro and Paramount are not throwing out their Billion dollar universe away. However, the info we had provided was just an analysis on what was shown, not an actual confirmation, but we have one now, coming from the main producer of the movie no less.

In a lengthy interview with Collider, we see what the themes of the film are, which includes ethnic minorities facing adversity in the 90s and a character arc for Optimus Prime. And it's when discussing Optimus Prime's character arc that we get the confirmation (if anyone needed one):

"But what’s interesting is, and you will appreciate this as a fan, at the end of Bumblebee, Optimus comes to Earth. What he’s experienced is failure, probably for the first time in his life, right? He’s had to retreat, he’s leaving the planet Cybertron. What’s happened to him from that experience? When we meet him in 2007, he’s a particular person, if you would. In 1994, he’s not the same person. He still has growth to do between ‘94 and 2007. So the character arc for Optimus in this, and the fun for the audience is, when you first meet Optimus – and we’ve had this experience because we’ve watched it with audiences and we’ve heard them talk about it – they’re like, “It’s definitely Optimus, but there’s something a little different…” At first, they’re like, “Wait, what, who… what Optimus is this?” And by the end of the movie, Optimus has become the guy that you’ve recognized from the Bay movies. Emotional.”

And speaking of character arcs, here is what was said about the humans characters and their growth in the film:

"It’s hard to say that about Shia [LaBeouf] in the first movie; you know, he goes from being a young man, essentially, to a man, right? In this case, Anthony Ramos and Dominique [Fishback’s] characters are both characters who are trying to find their way in a life, and in a cultural society, that’s not making it the easiest for them. And so, the experience of the movie for those characters is to come to terms, not exactly about who they are, but how to move forward in their lives. It’s an interesting character arc for both of them where they fulfill, to a certain extent, the desire that they were having for themselves."

You can read the full interview between Collider and Lorenzo di Bonaventura here.

Also, in some serendipitous fate, a new poster was recently found for Rise of the Beasts, which references the first Bay film. Here it is below.

Get diBonaventura and Bay to be mostly or completely hands-off Transformers movies, and they might be great. As is, my expectations for this movie just got lowered pretty hard.

Disappointing news, but not surprising. (Pretty much sums up the development of RotB to be honest.)

"It’s hard to say that about Shia [LaBeouf] in the first movie; you know, he goes from being a young man, essentially, to a man, right? [...]"

Sorry-but-not-sorry...

Well, that tanks it.

di Bonaventura wrote:"And by the end of the movie, Optimus has become the guy that you’ve recognized from the Bay movies.”

Murderous?

di Bonaventura wrote:"Emotional.”

Oh! EMOTIONAL! Right. Right.

william-james88 wrote:Also, in some serendipitous fate, a new poster was recently found for Rise of the Beasts, which references the first Bay film. Here is is below.

Um, not seeing it Bud.

~ Grim

So, if that movie is not a reboot, does that means that we will get a TLK sequel at some point that would wrap all the loose ends?

Big Grim wrote:

di Bonaventura wrote:"And by the end of the movie, Optimus has become the guy that you’ve recognized from the Bay movies.”

Murderous?

di Bonaventura wrote:"Emotional.”

Oh! EMOTIONAL! Right. Right.

william-james88 wrote:Also, in some serendipitous fate, a new poster was recently found for Rise of the Beasts, which references the first Bay film. Here is is below.

Um, not seeing it Bud.

~ Grim

Thanks for the heads up, fixed it