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Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:12 am**

Okay, so I watched the movie again and I noticed a few more things:

After the Raptors thought they shot down Starscream (ie: "Oh! I think we got him!" he then lead the team forward. Okay but here's where the speculation gets juicy. I know a large majority of you believe he wasn't shooting down Megatron but hear this out. When the shots were being fired, the 5th or 6th shot sounded much like the TransFormer's missile (Bubble Farts) and the missile was actually shaped differently and colored blue. After the missile was fired Megatron "bled" blue and it was quickly covered up by other Raptor shots. It was stated in a video interview with Bay that the TransFormers will in fact have regular ammunition like their scanned alternate modes along with their Cybertronian blasts. This COULD mean that Starscream shot one of his own missiles rather than the human-made missles.

On another note:
Jazz is in fact reborn =].
In the biography for his G1 Redeco action figure it states that he was rebuilt by Ratchet. After being rebuilt he felt that the silver paint job had to go because it "scratched too easily". Ratchet and Bumblee then helped him repaint his body to his G1 homage color scheme. (READ THIS ON THE BIO ON TFORMERS).

Feel free to voice your opinions with or again me.

PS I missed you guys!

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:18 am**

Frostic_Prime wrote:Okay, so I watched the movie again and I noticed a few more things:

After the Raptors thought they shot down Starscream (ie: "Oh! I think we got him!" he then lead the team forward. Okay but here's where the speculation gets juicy. I know a large majority of you believe he wasn't shooting down Megatron but hear this out. When the shots were being fired, the 5th or 6th shot sounded much like the TransFormer's missile (Bubble Farts) and the missile was actually shaped differently and colored blue. After the missile was fired Megatron "bled" blue and it was quickly covered up by other Raptor shots. It was stated in a video interview with Bay that the TransFormers will in fact have regular ammunition like their scanned alternate modes along with their Cybertronian blasts. This COULD mean that Starscream shot one of his own missiles rather than the human-made missles.

On another note:
Jazz is in fact reborn =].
In the biography for his G1 Redeco action figure it states that he was rebuilt by Ratchet. After being rebuilt he felt that the silver paint job had to go because it "scratched too easily". Ratchet and Bumblee then helped him repaint his body to his G1 homage color scheme. (READ THIS ON THE BIO ON TFORMERS).

Feel free to voice your opinions with or again me.

PS I missed you guys!

As much as I hate it, jazz is done for. That little convenience is nothing more than a way to market/push the toy or give it some background.

I loved Jazz in the movie, but he definately won't be returning. Gotta make way for more bots somehow...

As far as Screamer blasting Megs, an interesting idea and something Starscream would do given the opportunity. I still think Megatron would have known and reacted to such.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:24 am**

I'm guessing Jazz is out for the next movie yeah, but hey we can't just have people feeling hopeless of his life in general =].

Oh shoot 2 more things: SHOCKWAVE is in the game...he looks amazing.
And I could very well be wrong but: I Think I saw Starscream turn G1'ish color schemeish when he flew into space for the last scene. He turned white and his wings had red lining along the side, I am sure it wasn't fire.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:26 am**

I dont see the harm in us just saying it WAS Screamer who fired at Megs. Even if it's not provavble it also isn't impossible and it makes us all happy!

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:47 am**

Jazz is done for..

Seen on screen = canon

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:47 am**

Frostic_Prime wrote:Okay, so I watched the movie again and I noticed a few more things:

After the Raptors thought they shot down Starscream (ie: "Oh! I think we got him!

Thats not what was said there. The F22 pilots' lines are "stay on him, keep him in your sights". They did not think they shot him down at any point.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:56 am**

After Starscream shot the second Raptor down, they said "Oh, I think we got him!"

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:35 am**

jazz certainly couldn't be alive. ratchet can't even fix bumblebee's voice box.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:40 am**

decepticonjon wrote:ratchet can't even fix bumblebee's voice box.

Except that it was apparently the writers intention that the medical beam Ratchet fired at him when he first arrived did exactly that.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:00 pm**

Frostic_Prime wrote: It was stated in a video interview with Bay that the TransFormers will in fact have regular ammunition like their scanned alternate modes along with their Cybertronian blasts.

But there is something to have in mind: stating that they can scan regular ammunition, this is mass they will lose in any shoot..., wouldn't them? So in terms of "realism", is kinda nonsense, assuming that the TF's have an energetic cell or core, is more realistic of only use light weapons, if not, regular ammunition should be reloaded often, and this is something that an "alien invader robot" couldn't afford with no risk...

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:09 pm**

I think if Jazz was brought back everyone watching the movie would say "well duh, they're robots they can't really die"

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:16 pm**

Frostic_Prime wrote:On another note:
Jazz is in fact reborn =].
In the biography for his G1 Redeco action figure it states that he was rebuilt by Ratchet. After being rebuilt he felt that the silver paint job had to go because it "scratched too easily". Ratchet and Bumblee then helped him repaint his body to his G1 homage color scheme. (READ THIS ON THE BIO ON TFORMERS).

PS I missed you guys!

His main concern after being rebuilt was his paint job being scratched? He should have asked for a body that is harder to tear in half instead.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:25 pm**

not a 100% sure about this but thres suppose to be an interview in which the movie staff mention that jazz will probably be rebuilt in the next movie with a tougher frame. i really hope he comes back. that would explain why his death felt so meaninglesss....

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:03 pm**

If anyone goes to see TF again could they please look out for the scene where Starscream flies to space. Please confirm to me whether or not Starscream changes color, I'd really like to hear from someone who is actually closely examining it.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:07 pm**

Jordi S3 wrote:
Frostic_Prime wrote: It was stated in a video interview with Bay that the TransFormers will in fact have regular ammunition like their scanned alternate modes along with their Cybertronian blasts.

But there is something to have in mind: stating that they can scan regular ammunition, this is mass they will lose in any shoot..., wouldn't them? So in terms of "realism", is kinda nonsense, assuming that the TF's have an energetic cell or core, is more realistic of only use light weapons, if not, regular ammunition should be reloaded often, and this is something that an "alien invader robot" couldn't afford with no risk...

that's a great point.. so the nokia bot would have lost mass when it morphed the rocket launcher and the gatling gun bullets? that was what supprised me. i understand the dew bot had soda cans to shoot. but when i took my nokia apart, i didn't find any frag rockets. poo :sad:

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:18 pm**

decepticonjon wrote:
Jordi S3 wrote:
Frostic_Prime wrote: It was stated in a video interview with Bay that the TransFormers will in fact have regular ammunition like their scanned alternate modes along with their Cybertronian blasts.

But there is something to have in mind: stating that they can scan regular ammunition, this is mass they will lose in any shoot..., wouldn't them? So in terms of "realism", is kinda nonsense, assuming that the TF's have an energetic cell or core, is more realistic of only use light weapons, if not, regular ammunition should be reloaded often, and this is something that an "alien invader robot" couldn't afford with no risk...

that's a great point.. so the nokia bot would have lost mass when it morphed the rocket launcher and the gatling gun bullets? that was what supprised me. i understand the dew bot had soda cans to shoot. but when i took my nokia apart, i didn't find any frag rockets. poo

Maybe they only come with that model? Watch eBay and you might get lucky.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:35 pm**

I have to go back and see it now just to make sure it was/wasn't Starscream shooting Megatron. How juicy would that be??

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:55 pm**

I just thought of something, it would have been amazing if Starscream was shooting the Raptors and one of the Raptors transformed to stop Starscream and it was revealed to us that it was Thundercracker. Now THAT would be juiiiiicy!

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:08 pm**

Spartanion wrote:I think if Jazz was brought back everyone watching the movie would say "well duh, they're robots they can't really die"

Well you could look at it this way. In the cartoon series, death was brought about by unrepairable damaged parts. And unless replaced, the bot would die.

Kinda like when your computer gets a broken parts. It could only be repaired so far and so much until you have to buy a new computer. Otherwise, you can keep reviving your computer.

Bumblebee's legs were severed. Torn from him. But repairable since it was most likely easily replaceable parts and ripped wires.

Jazz was severed at his torso. Unless there was something that was ultimately damaged beyond repair, he could be revived. But he IS "dead" (offline), just maybe not beyond the science of fixing.

Kinda like a Vampire. He could "die" if he doesn't drink blood or loses it. But can be revived. Unless you damage his heart beyond "repair" (healing).

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:48 pm**

Frostic_Prime wrote:After Starscream shot the second Raptor down, they said "Oh, I think we got him!"

Trust me. No he didnt. 5 theater views and my own, rewindable copy say so. Nor does Starscream change color at the end. He hits the stratosphere and engages his thrustors.
Any color change is the effect of these two things.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:49 pm**

SnipeShade wrote:
Spartanion wrote:I think if Jazz was brought back everyone watching the movie would say "well duh, they're robots they can't really die"

Well you could look at it this way. In the cartoon series, death was brought about by unrepairable damaged parts. And unless replaced, the bot would die.

Kinda like when your computer gets a broken parts. It could only be repaired so far and so much until you have to buy a new computer. Otherwise, you can keep reviving your computer.

Bumblebee's legs were severed. Torn from him. But repairable since it was most likely easily replaceable parts and ripped wires.

Jazz was severed at his torso. Unless there was something that was ultimately damaged beyond repair, he could be revived. But he IS "dead" (offline), just maybe not beyond the science of fixing.

Kinda like a Vampire. He could "die" if he doesn't drink blood or loses it. But can be revived. Unless you damage his heart beyond "repair" (healing).

frenzy got his head sawed off, still lived with just his head.. touche'

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:57 pm**

Darth Bombshell wrote:
decepticonjon wrote:ratchet can't even fix bumblebee's voice box.

Except that it was apparently the writers intention that the medical beam Ratchet fired at him when he first arrived did exactly that.

it was bb touching the cube that fixed his voice box not ratchet.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:57 pm**

Touche'.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:16 pm**

lilcarus wrote:
Darth Bombshell wrote:
decepticonjon wrote:ratchet can't even fix bumblebee's voice box.

Except that it was apparently the writers intention that the medical beam Ratchet fired at him when he first arrived did exactly that.

it was bb touching the cube that fixed his voice box not ratchet.

watch the movie again silly, he uses his radio voice after transforming the cube.. he never talks till the end of the movie, and his legs are blown off, still, so the allspark didn't fix anything on him before the cube killed megs
touche' my ass.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:42 pm**

T Honk wrote: Trust me. No he didnt. 5 theater views and my own, rewindable copy say so. Nor does Starscream change color at the end. He hits the stratosphere and engages his thrustors.
Any color change is the effect of these two things.

I've seen the movie twice, and I agree with you, think that colour change is because what you say...

Another point, I know that a spaceship burns on its reentry, but also when escaping from earth's atmosphere??

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