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Burn wrote:Know why the Marvel Cinematic Universe succeeds?

Because it has well established characters to draw on, because it was, and is, a long term plan all craftily woven together.

Know why a Transformers Cinematic Universe will fail?

Because they've only established half a dozen characters. Yes, as TF fans we can say there's lot of other characters they can draw from, but outside of IDW comics, there's not that many "well established".

Of course, this is all just rumour. However, were it to come to fruition, it would be a fail.

Don't bother arguing with me Sly, your opinion regarding this is already known, I know what you're going to say, so don't waste your time because I just won't listen.

Well, since Burn wants things back on topic.....

I mostly agree with this. Except for the lack of established characters. Transformers has plenty of characters that would ev n be recognizable to the general public. In my mind, the problem is the damage that has been done by the Bay movies. Potential just isn't there for development, and for a movie verse, you need good development. Unfourtunatly, everyone expects mindless action flics now, and when the don't get that, they'll abandon the franchise in droves. No more than one or two movies will ever be greenlit.

Ironhidensh wrote:In my mind, the problem is the damage that has been done by the Bay movies.

Bingo. And this statement applies to established characters. As far as Autobots go, we have Optimus Prime and Bumblebee. You could introduce more G1 characters (though we've already lost major ones in Ratchet and Ironhide) but they're not as well established, not as well known.

Same with the Decepticons. We've lost Megatron, Soundwave, Shockwave and Starscream. Who does that leave then?

If they want to expand the universe, they've got a big job ahead of them in building up characters.

Yeah, these films have already blown thru so many characters and concepts it's hard to think of who they can use in the next sequel, much less spin-offs.
Doesn't help that the franchise as a whole has been relatively limited to just the Autobots and Decepticons, which habitually absorbs whatever deviations that may ever develop (see how Optimus Prime, Rodimus, Waspinator, Tankor, and "Armada" Starscream have all been brought into the same universe now). Nobody's really got their own unique 'world'.

I don't understand what some of you are posting regarding the lack of potential spin-offs based on the movies they've made so far. Off the top of my head:

How about Taken style film starring that main military guy from the first movie? Someone kidnaps his baby and he has to use his skills to get her back!

Or an origin story for the Sector 7 Agent jerk? How did he work his way up through Sectors 1-6?

I for one would love to know why that guy that was dating Mark Wahlburg's daughter knew so much about the laws regarding boning teenagers. How about a film that shows his earlier years touring the various States in order of lowest age of consent.

And why not take a note from Marvel and get a TV show going. Who wouldn't love a sitcom about the retired Witwicky parents...they sure were zany weren't they!? I'm thinking CBS.

So many oppurtunities!!!

Nothing really comes to mind for the actual Transformers... but where they even in those things? I just remember some walking junkyards bumping into each other.

Burn wrote:Know why the Marvel Cinematic Universe succeeds?

Because it has well established characters to draw on, because it was, and is, a long term plan all craftily woven together.

Know why a Transformers Cinematic Universe will fail?

Because they've only established half a dozen characters. Yes, as TF fans we can say there's lot of other characters they can draw from, but outside of IDW comics, there's not that many "well established".

Of course, this is all just rumour. However, were it to come to fruition, it would be a fail.

Don't bother arguing with me Sly, your opinion regarding this is already known, I know what you're going to say, so don't waste your time because I just won't listen.

Agree with you on this Burn.

Also think Hasbro has painted themselves into a corner. for almost Ten years, By having the same main cast of the movies and Current cartoons be. Optimus, Megatron, Starscream, Bumblebee, Soundwave, Grimlock, Shockwave, Arcee, Blackarachnia. After Ten years of having these staring characters. It's going to be a hard sell to introduce viewers to different characters.

Think if Hasbro did do a Beast Wars movie. The viewers and fans complaints would be. Why isn't peter cullen and Frank Welker. Doing the voices of Optimus Primal and Beast Megatron. Some would say where is Bumblebee. Why are there so many characters not from the 1980's.

At this point, Wondering if viewers, fans and critics can handle a Live action theatre movie. without the Iconic Optimus Prime character and Bumblebee in it.

Don't think an all G1 Dinobots against G1 Predacons live action Theatre movie would do that great. As none of these characters besides Grimlock have any deep personalities. that have been in the spot light for years.

Think if Hasbro tried to do a all future cast Live action Theatre movie of just HotRod, Rodimus Prime, Kup, Blurr, Ultra Magnus. Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, Gnaw. Wreckgar, Skylynx, Metroplex, Trypticon. Don't think it will do that great in Theatres. As almost none of these characters have been in the movies or cartoons spot lights for over Ten years.

Then theirs the TF live action movies Theatre charm and iconic nature. of showing current liscensed cars and real military vehicles transform into the Transformers characters. If they did beast Wars animals or futuristic vehicles. not having any liscensed or military vehicles might not be well received by movie viewers or critics.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think if Hasbro did do a Beast Wars movie. The viewers and fans complaints would be. Why isn't peter cullen and Frank Welker. Doing the voices of Optimus and Megatron. Some would say where is Bumblebee. Why are there so many characters not from the 1980's.

Funnily enough, those were among the many more complaints people had about the original Beast Wars series, and yet that show won many people over with its exceptional storytelling and character portrayals.

However, seeing as how the films have been lacking in both of those departments, a Beast Wars movie would probably still be doomed even if it got all the names and altmodes right, as it was Bob and Larry who were vital to making Beast Wars as good as it was. Without them or anyone of their caliber, a Beast Wars movie ain't winning much anyone over.

Burn wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:In my mind, the problem is the damage that has been done by the Bay movies.

Bingo. And this statement applies to established characters. As far as Autobots go, we have Optimus Prime and Bumblebee. You could introduce more G1 characters (though we've already lost major ones in Ratchet and Ironhide) but they're not as well established, not as well known.

Same with the Decepticons. We've lost Megatron, Soundwave, Shockwave and Starscream. Who does that leave then?

If they want to expand the universe, they've got a big job ahead of them in building up characters.

It may be an impossible job. I think it's he best thing they can do is wait a few years and start over with a reboot.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Burn wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:In my mind, the problem is the damage that has been done by the Bay movies.

Bingo. And this statement applies to established characters. As far as Autobots go, we have Optimus Prime and Bumblebee. You could introduce more G1 characters (though we've already lost major ones in Ratchet and Ironhide) but they're not as well established, not as well known.

Same with the Decepticons. We've lost Megatron, Soundwave, Shockwave and Starscream. Who does that leave then?

If they want to expand the universe, they've got a big job ahead of them in building up characters.

It may be an impossible job. I think it's he best thing they can do is wait a few years and start over with a reboot.

There are plenty of ways I can see them making those dead characters relevant again, without restarting everything. Look at IDW. There aren't many characters who actually stay dead in those comics. There's always some convoluted way to bring them back. The fact that Optimus is going up against the Creators along with the fact that Lockdown still had Ratchet's spark opens up possibilities. I wouldn't be surprised if the Creators have hundreds of clones of every Cybertronian ever born.

Discussing a possible spin off sequels Beast Wars movie.

What time period would this Beast Wars movie take place? Past? Present? or Future?
Don't think a millions years past movie would work. Present might work the best.
Think if they did a beast wars II future time movie. It might work if their is time travel to fix the damage done in the present. to make the future not a destroyed earth like Beast Wars II showed it.

Don't think the current writers and directors can create a good Beast Wars movie. Don't think the current Writers are capable of creating good dialogue. Micheal bay as the director would further ruin things with all of his over the top explosions. The live human cast they pick as stars is never good. most of the time the talented stars get non staring roles.

Think if they fired the current writers and Micheal Bay. Then replaced the writers with the Beast Wars Larry Ditillo and Bob Forward. A better director like James Cameron,
Christopher Nolan or J.J. Abrams. The Beast wars live action theater movie might stand a chance of being good.

Envision a terrible Beast Wars live action theater movie being. Something along the lines of Beast Wars Second or Beast Machines. Where the good guys are the beast bots while the bad guy are the vehicle bots. Don't think Hasbro is willing to get rid of it's liscensed vehicles and military vehicles in a live action theater movie.

Think if a Beast Wars live theatre movie is done like the way Rescue bots handles it. It might stand a chance of doing okay. Where all of the Transformers good and bad start off as vehicle Transformers. then switch back and forth between animals and vehicles modes when the area their in needs it. Suppose the reason for Beast Modes could be that they need to look for rare old cybertronian artifacts deeps in the amazon or african jungles.
Think switching back and forth between beast and vehicles would please more people.
From a toy persepective their is something for everyone. Maybe Hasbro can even do some triple changers toys for the larger Voyager, Leader and Ultimate toys. With these bigger toys having a robot, vehicle and beast mode. While the smaller toys having just one alt mode, with two toys for each movie character.

Don't want to see a AOE type movie for Beast Wars. Where the beast bots dinos are introduced in the Fourth quarter of the movie. Prefer they introduced the beast bots in the start of the 2nd Quarter in the Beast Wars movie.

UltraPrimal wrote:I'll kill myself if they do a Beast Wars movie. I'd rather die than see them mutilate BW the way they did G1.

Dinobot would be ashamed of you.

If you're going to die, die fighting.

But yeah, I dread the mess they could make of a Beast Wars movie. Especially since, unlike the G1 cartoon, Beast Wars has a lot of meaning to me.

Bonerking wrote:I for one would love to know why that guy that was dating Mark Wahlburg's daughter knew so much about the laws regarding boning teenagers. How about a film that shows his earlier years touring the various States in order of lowest age of consent.

There aren't many reasons one would want to know statutory rape laws, and carry around cards with that information on them. I think we can use our imaginations for that. -_-

I don't really care anymore about the Transformers movies, not that I ever cared about them, I never could sit through them anyways.

I am sure if they made a Beast Wars movie spin off it would get all Hollywoodized any ways. I have lost total faith with Hasbro. I will stick with the smaller screen TF stories, video games, and comics.
Michael bay and the Live action movies are exhausting for me, and I bore of them.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

Burn wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:In my mind, the problem is the damage that has been done by the Bay movies.

Bingo. And this statement applies to established characters. As far as Autobots go, we have Optimus Prime and Bumblebee. You could introduce more G1 characters (though we've already lost major ones in Ratchet and Ironhide) but they're not as well established, not as well known.

Same with the Decepticons. We've lost Megatron, Soundwave, Shockwave and Starscream. Who does that leave then?

If they want to expand the universe, they've got a big job ahead of them in building up characters.

It may be an impossible job. I think it's he best thing they can do is wait a few years and start over with a reboot.

There are plenty of ways I can see them making those dead characters relevant again, without restarting everything. Look at IDW. There aren't many characters who actually stay dead in those comics. There's always some convoluted way to bring them back. The fact that Optimus is going up against the Creators along with the fact that Lockdown still had Ratchet's spark opens up possibilities. I wouldn't be surprised if the Creators have hundreds of clones of every Cybertronian ever born.

I do hold some hope Ratchet can be rebuilt , his spark is still thereas far as we know, so... It just may as well be that Ratchet is gone and forgotten, but hey, I can keep my hopes.

...i know many will disagree but

i need a cross over between the two. be it animated or live action.. i mean, fer crap sakes, uncle grandpa is doing a crossover with steven universe! give me my mlp/tf crossover.

KREOFAN85 wrote:...i know many will disagree but

i need a cross over between the two. be it animated or live action...it needs to happen. dont care what people think of me. i have a dream and i will continue to hope. i mean, fer crap sakes, uncle grandpa is doing a crossover with steven universe! give me my mlp/tf crossover.

I don't understand. A crossover between what and what? Prime and the movies? If so, wouldn't that be a bit redundant with how similar they are?

Plus, there kinda was a half-crossover, of sorts, between Aligned and a version of the movies in the Rise of the Dark Spark game. Even had a version of G1 in there for a little bit.

Sabrblade wrote:

KREOFAN85 wrote:...i know many will disagree but

i need a cross over between the two. be it animated or live action...it needs to happen. dont care what people think of me. i have a dream and i will continue to hope. i mean, fer crap sakes, uncle grandpa is doing a crossover with steven universe! give me my mlp/tf crossover.

I don't understand. A crossover between what and what? Prime and the movies? If so, wouldn't that be a bit redundant with how similar they are?

Plus, there kinda was a half-crossover, of sorts, between Aligned and a version of the movies in the Rise of the Dark Spark game. Even had a version of G1 in there for a little bit.

Clearly, Transformers and My Little Pony.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

KREOFAN85 wrote:...i know many will disagree but

i need a cross over between the two. be it animated or live action...it needs to happen. dont care what people think of me. i have a dream and i will continue to hope. i mean, fer crap sakes, uncle grandpa is doing a crossover with steven universe! give me my mlp/tf crossover.

I don't understand. A crossover between what and what? Prime and the movies? If so, wouldn't that be a bit redundant with how similar they are?

Plus, there kinda was a half-crossover, of sorts, between Aligned and a version of the movies in the Rise of the Dark Spark game. Even had a version of G1 in there for a little bit.

Clearly, Transformers and My Little Pony.

Daggonit, Princess Celestia blended in with the background.

KREOFAN85 wrote:...i know many will disagree but

i need a cross over between the two. be it animated or live action.. i mean, fer crap sakes, uncle grandpa is doing a crossover with steven universe! give me my mlp/tf crossover.

And what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

JazZeke wrote:And what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

Hoping that one of the sequels or spin-offs is a crossover with ponies? Don't see a difference between this and hoping for a G.I. Joe crossover.

Jeen0808 wrote:

JazZeke wrote:And what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

Hoping that one of the sequels or spin-offs is a crossover with ponies? Don't see a difference between this and hoping for a G.I. Joe crossover.

Target audiences.

RhA wrote:Target audiences.

Hoping is for all ages.

Jeen0808 wrote:

RhA wrote:Target audiences.

Hoping is for all ages.

Irrelevant. I'm only explaining the difference. Ponies: Little girls, TF: Little boys.

RhA wrote:

Jeen0808 wrote:

RhA wrote:Target audiences.

Hoping is for all ages.

Irrelevant. You asked what the difference was. Ponies: Little girls, TF: Little boys.

Yet both are enjoyed by adults of all genders. Also, I don't think the target audience for the live action movies is little boys. They'd be a lot more like Animated or the current Robots in Disguise, were that the case.

Jeen0808 wrote:

RhA wrote:

Jeen0808 wrote:

RhA wrote:Target audiences.

Hoping is for all ages.

Irrelevant. You asked what the difference was. Ponies: Little girls, TF: Little boys.

Yet both are enjoyed by adults of all genders. Also, I don't think the target audience for the live action movies is little boys. They'd be a lot more like Animated or the current Robots in Disguise, were that the case.

You'd be surprised what the people behind the films think is appropriate for children.

Jeen0808 wrote:

RhA wrote:

Jeen0808 wrote:

RhA wrote:Target audiences.

Hoping is for all ages.

Irrelevant. You asked what the difference was. Ponies: Little girls, TF: Little boys.

Yet both are enjoyed by adults of all genders. Also, I don't think the target audience for the live action movies is little boys. They'd be a lot more like Animated or the current Robots in Disguise, were that the case.

The fact that you enjoy Ponies isn't related to wether or not you are part of the target audience. No one is stopping you from enjoying whatever the hell you like when it comes to toys. But that crossover is a decision Hasbro makes and they market to target audiences.

TF's in general are aimed at boys. The movies are all over the place, toys are aimed at boys and the potty humor and face-ripping are aimed at adults. Which is cunfusing at the very least. So we're not dealing with a sience here, more a general guideline. But Ponies and face-ripping are not going to mix anytime soon. Maybe the wackywacky world of comics can cater you.