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I don't hate The Last Knight as much as a lot of other people do, but why choose that when the first movie, Dark of the Moon, and honestly even Age of Extinction would be better choices?

Actually a few reasons, The Last Knight, younger audience is more familiar with TLK, unlike other movies, the fifth one actually have some story, The First movie gets away with a lot only because of nostalgia and first impression, and Dark of the Moon is like the worst movie ever.

TurboMMaster wrote:

I don't hate The Last Knight as much as a lot of other people do, but why choose that when the first movie, Dark of the Moon, and honestly even Age of Extinction would be better choices?

Actually a few reasons, The Last Knight, younger audience is more familiar with TLK, unlike other movies, the fifth one actually have some story, The First movie gets away with a lot only because of nostalgia and first impression, and Dark of the Moon is like the worst movie ever.

I thought I was one of the only ones to think the third film was terrible. It bored me.

ZeroWolf wrote:

TurboMMaster wrote:

I don't hate The Last Knight as much as a lot of other people do, but why choose that when the first movie, Dark of the Moon, and honestly even Age of Extinction would be better choices?

Actually a few reasons, The Last Knight, younger audience is more familiar with TLK, unlike other movies, the fifth one actually have some story, The First movie gets away with a lot only because of nostalgia and first impression, and Dark of the Moon is like the worst movie ever.

I thought I was one of the only ones to think the third film was terrible. It bored me.

The third film is an abhoration. It is also a snooze fest and the worst film in both Francis Mcdormand and John Malkovich's careers.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

TurboMMaster wrote:

I don't hate The Last Knight as much as a lot of other people do, but why choose that when the first movie, Dark of the Moon, and honestly even Age of Extinction would be better choices?

Actually a few reasons, The Last Knight, younger audience is more familiar with TLK, unlike other movies, the fifth one actually have some story, The First movie gets away with a lot only because of nostalgia and first impression, and Dark of the Moon is like the worst movie ever.

I thought I was one of the only ones to think the third film was terrible. It bored me.

The third film is an abhoration. It is also a snooze fest and the worst film in both Francis Mcdormand and John Malkovich's careers.

ALL of the sequels are lousy films.

To be honest, I can't sit through a single one of the Bay TF films. They are so boring.

So I finally decided to watch this one since I'm seeing bumblebee tomorrow. I'm halfway through and I'm not exaggerating when I say this is probably the worst movie I've ever seen. The animation is terrible, the writing is atrocious, the acting and especially the voice acting feels so forced, there is absolutely no plot whatsoever and the characters are so forgettable. Squeaks is pointless, Daytrader (so far) seems like he was put in only for a terrible joke, they gave the deceptions introductions for what reason? They didn't do anything other than die in 30 seconds. The way Hotrod gets his alt mode is such bullsh*t! That was the laziest thing I've ever seen. I honestly don't understand how anyone can honestly say that this is a good movie. Like I said I'm only halfway through but I can't see how this can even be remotely redeemed.

Also the introduction with the knights is a crime.

steals_your_goats wrote:So I finally decided to watch this one since I'm seeing bumblebee tomorrow. I'm halfway through and I'm not exaggerating when I say this is probably the worst movie I've ever seen. The animation is terrible, the writing is atrocious, the acting and especially the voice acting feels so forced, there is absolutely no plot whatsoever and the characters are so forgettable. Squeaks is pointless, Daytrader (so far) seems like he was put in only for a terrible joke, they gave the deceptions introductions for what reason? They didn't do anything other than die in 30 seconds. The way Hotrod gets his alt mode is such bullsh*t! That was the laziest thing I've ever seen. I honestly don't understand how anyone can honestly say that this is a good movie. Like I said I'm only halfway through but I can't see how this can even be remotely redeemed.

Also the introduction with the knights is a crime.

Dude, I agree. Its no exageration when i say its the worst film i watched last year and the worst TF film so far.

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:So I finally decided to watch this one since I'm seeing bumblebee tomorrow. I'm halfway through and I'm not exaggerating when I say this is probably the worst movie I've ever seen. The animation is terrible, the writing is atrocious, the acting and especially the voice acting feels so forced, there is absolutely no plot whatsoever and the characters are so forgettable. Squeaks is pointless, Daytrader (so far) seems like he was put in only for a terrible joke, they gave the deceptions introductions for what reason? They didn't do anything other than die in 30 seconds. The way Hotrod gets his alt mode is such bullsh*t! That was the laziest thing I've ever seen. I honestly don't understand how anyone can honestly say that this is a good movie. Like I said I'm only halfway through but I can't see how this can even be remotely redeemed.

Also the introduction with the knights is a crime.

Dude, I agree. Its no exageration when i say its the worst film i watched last year and the worst TF film so far.

I think the only positives I can pull from this are the baby dinobots were adorable and the lead actress is gorgeous (and I'm fairly certain that's the only reason she's in this).

I have tried to rewatch all of the TF films, but I honestly can't do it. I lose interest quickly or get confused. This is not the same with other "popcorn" films, such as Marvel action films, etc.

steals_your_goats wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:So I finally decided to watch this one since I'm seeing bumblebee tomorrow. I'm halfway through and I'm not exaggerating when I say this is probably the worst movie I've ever seen. The animation is terrible, the writing is atrocious, the acting and especially the voice acting feels so forced, there is absolutely no plot whatsoever and the characters are so forgettable. Squeaks is pointless, Daytrader (so far) seems like he was put in only for a terrible joke, they gave the deceptions introductions for what reason? They didn't do anything other than die in 30 seconds. The way Hotrod gets his alt mode is such bullsh*t! That was the laziest thing I've ever seen. I honestly don't understand how anyone can honestly say that this is a good movie. Like I said I'm only halfway through but I can't see how this can even be remotely redeemed.

Also the introduction with the knights is a crime.

Dude, I agree. Its no exageration when i say its the worst film i watched last year and the worst TF film so far.

I think the only positives I can pull from this are the baby dinobots were adorable and the lead actress is gorgeous (and I'm fairly certain that's the only reason she's in this).

You know there's a problem when the big hyped up fight scene between Bee and Nemesis Prime is as long as the discussion on Mark Wahlberg's sex life.

Honestly, there were no positives for me, I hated the film throgh and through. The amount of money you would have to pay me to watch it again would be ridiculously high.

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:So I finally decided to watch this one since I'm seeing bumblebee tomorrow. I'm halfway through and I'm not exaggerating when I say this is probably the worst movie I've ever seen. The animation is terrible, the writing is atrocious, the acting and especially the voice acting feels so forced, there is absolutely no plot whatsoever and the characters are so forgettable. Squeaks is pointless, Daytrader (so far) seems like he was put in only for a terrible joke, they gave the deceptions introductions for what reason? They didn't do anything other than die in 30 seconds. The way Hotrod gets his alt mode is such bullsh*t! That was the laziest thing I've ever seen. I honestly don't understand how anyone can honestly say that this is a good movie. Like I said I'm only halfway through but I can't see how this can even be remotely redeemed.

Also the introduction with the knights is a crime.

Dude, I agree. Its no exageration when i say its the worst film i watched last year and the worst TF film so far.

I think the only positives I can pull from this are the baby dinobots were adorable and the lead actress is gorgeous (and I'm fairly certain that's the only reason she's in this).

You know there's a problem when the big hyped up fight scene between Bee and Nemesis Prime is as long as the discussion on Mark Wahlberg's sex life.

Honestly, there were no positives for me, I hated the film throgh and through. The amount of money you would have to pay me to watch it again would be ridiculously high.

The only part of TLK I liked was the King Arthur bit at the beginning. The big medieval war with the Guardian Knights coming in as Dragonstorm to help fight off the Saxons. I wanted to see more of THAT movie, not snippits of like 16 other random movies set in later times that were cobbled together to make all of TLK.

You know there's a problem when the big hyped up fight scene between Bee and Nemesis Prime is as long as the discussion on Mark Wahlberg's sex life.

Sure, the other problem is that there is very little to no reason why Optimus Prime should be renamed after changing sides, technically Galvatron could de considered Nemesis Prime in the Bayverse, since in Bayverse mythos Nemesis = Evil Counterpart, and it's hard to be your own evil counterpart.

After rewatching this movie again, I still don't understand why it's so hated. Sure, it's far from beign great, but at least this time they are trying to create story and snd some kind of enviroment within movieverse. Also each character is relatively expressive, despite it's small role. Comparing to excuse plots and nameless drones from the previous movies, it's huge improvement, of course it's not har to do better than original trilogy.

Remember the writers room thing? One of the ideas was Operation Skyfire which would of been a movie taking place during War World 2 and presumably by the name Skyfire would of been the main character perhaps and probably a different character from Jetfire from ROTF, while a whole movie didn't pan out it did influence the WW2 flashbacks in The Last Knight.

These pictures were in the bonus features but I think this is the first clear picture of them.

This was uploaded on the Artstation of JP Targete and here are his words on the artwork.

"A few years back me and a few other concept artist were invited by Paramount to participate in the "Transformers writer's room". We were there to help the writers visualize their unique "Transformers" movies. The results were exciting and fresh and gave a "new" take on the Transformer's Mythology. The images you see are a result of one of the "Transformer MOVIES" That was presented to Paramount and Steven Spielberg. The images can be seen on the special features of the "Transformers The Last Knight" Blue-ray. I was honored to be a part of this."

Source: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/gJ9JeE


For my personal opinion I would really like to see this concept revisited in the Knightverse if it ends up becoming a reboot following Bumblebee's success with Skyfire as the main character (I would love to have Skyfire and Jetfire be two different characters completely) even some of the designs here look slightly more like the designs see in Bumblebee (of the Shatter/Dropkick/Blitzwing type) more then the Bayverse for the most part.

I think it would be one of only a few solo type character focused films like Bumblebee that I could see working, once again keep the cast small with just Skyfire and maybe one or two other Autobots as casualties cause WW2 movie and a small group of Decepticons with old and new characters mixed in like say Bludgeon as the main antagonist Decepticon.

AS much as I love the knights, a WWII movie would be so badass. Something like that is really needed in our TV/movie fiction

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:AS much as I love the knights, a WWII movie would be so badass. Something like that is really needed in our TV/movie fiction

I'll be honest I really loved the knight aspect of TLK (The beginning few minutes of the movie) and I was so hyped from what I saw at that TLK preview thing they had at a few theaters and I know my Mum really like the Knight stuff from the movie as well and now knowing what the movie did I would of split TLK into two movies instead of what happened.

One movie would be more of a "weird" G1 cartoon season 3 vibe movie in space with Optimus who took the Knightship (The AOE ending would not have ended with him rocketing to space) along with the Dinobots with the addition of Slog/Sludge, Snarl and Slash who were imprisoned in another part of the ship since the Dinobots are so big, tracking down the Creators/Quintessons using information/data on the ships computer which makes more sense then Prime trying to head off to space without info.

Only "Autobot" is Prime and his only allies would be the Dinobots, Bounty hunter and ex-Decepticon Thundercracker who is encountered in space and twin Knights Silverbolt and Kingbolt that the group would encounter, Antagonists would be the Creators and their various alien creatures both organic and machine including Sharkticons and brainwashed Knights including their leader Ultra Magnus, a Bounty Hunter crew led by Axor and Skywarp trying to get revenge for Lockdown's death and finally Galvatron who stowed away on the Knightship waiting for a change to kill Prime and would eventually get captured and brainwashed and reformatted into TLK Megatron by the Creators alongside Optimus Prime at the end of the movie who would get brainwashed as a lead up to the final movie.


The other movie would be on Earth and expand the whole Junkyard thing that the first half of the movie had with the cast being Cade Yeager, Bumblebee, Hound, Drift, Crosshairs, Wheelie, Topspin (He would of joined the surviving Autobots post AOE and confirm with a flashback that Roadbuster was the very first Autobot killed by Cemetary Wind.) Trench (Autobots new medic with Ratchet's death and a former Constructicon who is trying to teach Hound peaceful ways with little success at first) and recent addition of Canopy who brings in Sqweeks and Izabella with him after the other Autobots save him from Barricade who is the main villain in the movie because he can't let go of the War and puts together a rag tag group of Decepticons which includes disgraced former General Onslaught (Who would be the same guy as DOTM garbage truck con and be blue instead of green to be closer to G1 version and standout from ROTF Long Haul), Smolder (Red Ratchet body with a new head and flame weapons), surviving Dread Crowbar (TLK Dreadbot) who turns out is literally unkillible as a parody of Decepticon endurance in the films and has an surprising friendly Australian accent/voice in comparison to his monstrous appearance, Nitro Zeus (Who would be silly at one moment before acting very sinister at the next to better show the tracker role), Mohawk, Roadblock (2007 Barricade with a different head, white colorscheme based off early concept art of 2007 Barriacde who turned into a more simple police car) and Chopper the green Blackout from the tiny turbo chargers line.

End of the movie would be the battle at the abandoned town from TLK but as a bigger set piece with the casualties of Crosshairs and Canopy (who dies his death from the TLK movie here) on the Autobots side and the deaths of all cons except Barricade, Onslaught, Crowbar, Smolder and Nitro Zeus as enemies of the final film which would be a better version of the second half of TLK.

Fellow Seibertronian Deadput uncovered art and plans for a WWII set Transformers film that will probably never come to be. He has written all the details below, enjoy!

Remember the writers room thing? One of the ideas was Operation Skyfire which would of been a movie taking place during War World 2 and presumably by the name Skyfire would of been the main character perhaps and probably a different character from Jetfire from ROTF, while a whole movie didn't pan out it did influence the WW2 flashbacks in The Last Knight.

These pictures were in the bonus features but I think this is the first clear picture of them.

This was uploaded on the Artstation of JP Targete and here are his words on the artwork.

"A few years back me and a few other concept artist were invited by Paramount to participate in the "Transformers writer's room". We were there to help the writers visualize their unique "Transformers" movies. The results were exciting and fresh and gave a "new" take on the Transformer's Mythology. The images you see are a result of one of the "Transformer MOVIES" That was presented to Paramount and Steven Spielberg. The images can be seen on the special features of the "Transformers The Last Knight" Blue-ray. I was honored to be a part of this."

Man, I would love to see this come to light later on for the movie-verse. Probably could even retcon the issue of Bee's WW2 scene and his solo movie. Also feels kinda steam-punkish in a way to me.

F4U Autobots, A6M Decepticons




Furthermore i do love A6M Zeros as

yeah i would love to see starsceam as a Focke-Wulf FW-190

Should Michael Bay direct anything like this, expect Scourge to come with facial hair shaved as Hitler's. Maybe Unicron too.

you're telling me that we almost had a movie/toyline filled with vintage alt modes? *groans and stares longingly at rts lugnut, hftf highbrow, and Hubcap*

Interesting concept, but maybe if they were to switch to an anthology movie format (no connection to other movies allowing exploration of styles and settings)

Also the new movieverse, if rebooted would not be the Knightverse as he would have to direct all installments for that to be the case. My current thinking is that they will try and have their cake and eat it, with keeping the movies in the timeline set up with the other films but allowing the style of the bots to change with no explanation (thinking we fans will take care of any inconsistencies which to be fair, we have already... Between all the movies!)

Well this is a nightmare. A giant plane bot barfing Nazis



The WWII aesthetic is cool and all, but I can't help but feel they missed the opportunity to strike while the iron was hot when the world was obsessed with the WWII Call of Duty games.

That being said, I'd be down with a "Transformers though time" off shoot line. It could be like Assassin's Creed, only with robits

LevelRage wrote:Man, I would love to see this come to light later on for the movie-verse. Probably could even retcon the issue of Bee's WW2 scene and his solo movie. Also feels kinda steam-punkish in a way to me.

The Bumblebee movie pretended like the WWII scenes of TLK never happened.

Sabrblade wrote:

LevelRage wrote:Man, I would love to see this come to light later on for the movie-verse. Probably could even retcon the issue of Bee's WW2 scene and his solo movie. Also feels kinda steam-punkish in a way to me.

The Bumblebee movie pretended like the WWII scenes of TLK never happened.

Isn't everyone trying to pretend that TLK never happened