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Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:01 am
by william-james88

For something this significant, you'd expect a quote or a source. Its just sloppy clickbait without that.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:10 am
by carytheone
william-james88 wrote:

For something this significant, you'd expect a quote or a source. Its just sloppy clickbait without that.
Posted before fully reading the article, ass out of you and me :oops:

I'm not going back read, but what's the general consensus on Bumblebee as there was both consistent and contradictory info in the movie. Intentional or not I feel it was a bit of a soft reboot or they at least tidied up a few things.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:29 am
by william-james88
carytheone wrote:
william-james88 wrote:

For something this significant, you'd expect a quote or a source. Its just sloppy clickbait without that.
Posted before fully reading the article, ass out of you and me :oops:

I'm not going back read, but what's the general consensus on Bumblebee as there was both consistent and contradictory info in the movie. Intentional or not I feel it was a bit of a soft reboot or they at least tidied up a few things.

Its a stand alone film within a larger universe that is only slightly alluded to.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:36 am
by Ironhidensh
william-james88 wrote:
carytheone wrote:
william-james88 wrote:

For something this significant, you'd expect a quote or a source. Its just sloppy clickbait without that.
Posted before fully reading the article, ass out of you and me :oops:

I'm not going back read, but what's the general consensus on Bumblebee as there was both consistent and contradictory info in the movie. Intentional or not I feel it was a bit of a soft reboot or they at least tidied up a few things.

Its a stand alone film within a larger universe that is only slightly alluded to.


Its a reboot. They just don't want to come out and say it so they can continue to milk as much money out of the other five films as possible.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:32 pm
by Blastback
Ironhidensh wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
carytheone wrote:
william-james88 wrote:

For something this significant, you'd expect a quote or a source. Its just sloppy clickbait without that.
Posted before fully reading the article, ass out of you and me :oops:

I'm not going back read, but what's the general consensus on Bumblebee as there was both consistent and contradictory info in the movie. Intentional or not I feel it was a bit of a soft reboot or they at least tidied up a few things.

Its a stand alone film within a larger universe that is only slightly alluded to.


Its a reboot. They just don't want to come out and say it so they can continue to milk as much money out of the other five films as possible.


Yeah that's my take on it to. Probably also worried about alinetating fans of the previous films.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:52 pm
by william-james88
Blastback wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
carytheone wrote:
william-james88 wrote:

For something this significant, you'd expect a quote or a source. Its just sloppy clickbait without that.
Posted before fully reading the article, ass out of you and me :oops:

I'm not going back read, but what's the general consensus on Bumblebee as there was both consistent and contradictory info in the movie. Intentional or not I feel it was a bit of a soft reboot or they at least tidied up a few things.

Its a stand alone film within a larger universe that is only slightly alluded to.


Its a reboot. They just don't want to come out and say it so they can continue to milk as much money out of the other five films as possible.


Yeah that's my take on it to. Probably also worried about alinetating fans of the previous films.


The point is there is a lot of misinformation out there and it seems fans are desperate for someone else to tell them what they are watching instead of forming their own thoughts on the matter.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:47 am
by carytheone
william-james88 wrote:
Blastback wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
carytheone wrote:
william-james88 wrote:

For something this significant, you'd expect a quote or a source. Its just sloppy clickbait without that.
Posted before fully reading the article, ass out of you and me :oops:

I'm not going back read, but what's the general consensus on Bumblebee as there was both consistent and contradictory info in the movie. Intentional or not I feel it was a bit of a soft reboot or they at least tidied up a few things.

Its a stand alone film within a larger universe that is only slightly alluded to.


Its a reboot. They just don't want to come out and say it so they can continue to milk as much money out of the other five films as possible.


Yeah that's my take on it to. Probably also worried about alinetating fans of the previous films.


The point is there is a lot of misinformation out there and it seems fans are desperate for someone else to tell them what they are watching instead of forming their own thoughts on the matter.
A lot of misinformation comes from the movies.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:42 am
by Ironhidensh
william-james88 wrote:
Blastback wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
carytheone wrote:
william-james88 wrote:

For something this significant, you'd expect a quote or a source. Its just sloppy clickbait without that.
Posted before fully reading the article, ass out of you and me :oops:

I'm not going back read, but what's the general consensus on Bumblebee as there was both consistent and contradictory info in the movie. Intentional or not I feel it was a bit of a soft reboot or they at least tidied up a few things.

Its a stand alone film within a larger universe that is only slightly alluded to.


Its a reboot. They just don't want to come out and say it so they can continue to milk as much money out of the other five films as possible.


Yeah that's my take on it to. Probably also worried about alinetating fans of the previous films.


The point is there is a lot of misinformation out there and it seems fans are desperate for someone else to tell them what they are watching instead of forming their own thoughts on the matter.



No. I'd say they are desperate to know that the Bay movies are gone and not coming back.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:56 am
by ZeroWolf
What's the big deal if they are still here? A gifted writer can still craft fantastic tales and still make it link up to the 07 movie. The bay movies were not just his fault, the writers of those movies share the blame, just as Bumblebee would have fell if the writer of AoE or Last Knight did it. Until hasbro say otherwise, bee is not a reboot. Its down to them where it sits

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:53 pm
by william-james88
Ironhidensh wrote:No. I'd say they are desperate to know that the Bay movies are gone and not coming back.

I can agree 100% on that but I think thats pretty nuts to think that about a film like Bee, when the main character's face has a bayverse design.

In any case, we already got confirmation from hasbro (like actual confirmation with quotes and all), that the films were moving away from the storylines set by Bay and the next film in the franchise that was building on it was cancelled.

The next film is already confirmed to be different, so the need for a reboot, or a cofirmation of one, is pretty moot.

At least that's how I see it. But seriously, if someone's idea of an actual reboot is for Bumblebee to have the same face he did before and still turn into a camaro and have a problem with his voice, then thats a pretty terrible reboot.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:01 pm
by ZeroWolf
What is the next film? Is it bee 2 or the Cybertron prequel?

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:12 pm
by william-james88
ZeroWolf wrote:What is the next film? Is it bee 2 or the Cybertron prequel?

There are multiple films being discussed at the moment, here is a list of articles with actual quotes abot what is being talked about:

Hasbro Confirms Currently Working with Paramount on New Transformers Films

New Animated Transformers Movie to Explore Cybertron's History in Development

Producer Speaks of Next Tranformers Film and Why he Does Not like Unicron

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:17 pm
by carytheone
william-james88 wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:No. I'd say they are desperate to know that the Bay movies are gone and not coming back.

I can agree 100% on that but I think thats pretty nuts to think that about a film like Bee, when the main character's face has a bayverse design.

In any case, we already got confirmation from hasbro (like actual confirmation with quotes and all), that the films were moving away from the storylines set by Bay and the next film in the franchise that was building on it was cancelled.

The next film is already confirmed to be different, so the need for a reboot, or a cofirmation of one, is pretty moot.

At least that's how I see it. But seriously, if someone's idea of an actual reboot is for Bumblebee to have the same face he did before and still turn into a camaro and have a problem with his voice, then thats a pretty terrible reboot.
Personally I feel they are trying to have the best of both worlds. Keep the established aesthetic going for this universe and retcon out the things that aren't working. I also feel it's pretty moot, but that may because I'm just not that invested in it all. I take each movie like a piece of bubblegum, enjoy it while it lasts and spit it out once it starts tasting bad. They've said it's not a reboot, so it's not until we hear otherwise. The Bumblebee movie straight up contradicted a few things and it'd be nice to have some concrete answers though.

ZeroWolf wrote:What is the next film? Is it bee 2 or the Cybertron prequel?
I think the quote or if not a quote the general vibe is that they are taking Transformers in a new direction. That could be interpreted as a new story or a new way to tell the stories. Personally I think they are going to try the stand alone movie thing again and keep focusing in smaller stories of individuals and do a little Marvel-like world building before bringing it all back together again.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:44 am
by Deadput
I'll just say you can never have Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave and Shockwave together on the big screen if it's in the same continuity.

Cant use Megatron at all unless it takes place on Cybertron or inbetween Rotf and Dotm or Aoe and Tlk

Literally zero good can come out of this in the long run even if individual movies are good, if their changing story direction, why stay with the universe that killed 90 percent of the popular characters?

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:13 am
by william-james88
Deadput wrote:I'll just say you can never have Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave and Shockwave together on the big screen if it's in the same continuity.


Of course you can, in a prequel film where the decepticons rise to power and take over Cybertron.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:19 am
by ZeroWolf
william-james88 wrote:
Deadput wrote:I'll just say you can never have Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave and Shockwave together on the big screen if it's in the same continuity.


Of course you can, in a prequel film where the decepticons rise to power and take over Cybertron.

Which I think is one of the planned films, plus really, what's death in the tf film verse (or any tf series)? Megatron has already died three times ;)

They could also make a new film set after AoE where megs reformats himself and resurrects the others. It all depends on the writers ability. Besides there is other cons to see other then them. How about a film where the main cons are the stunticons or combaticons (have brawl be the surviving member and bonus continuity points

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:39 am
by carytheone
ZeroWolf wrote:Which I think is one of the planned films, plus really, what's death in the tf film verse (or any tf series)? Megatron has already died three times ;)
Hey, a half a dozen or so more times and he'll be the new Optimus.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:39 pm
by Deadput
william-james88 wrote:
Deadput wrote:I'll just say you can never have Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave and Shockwave together on the big screen if it's in the same continuity.


Of course you can, in a prequel film where the decepticons rise to power and take over Cybertron.


I knew I forgot to mention "On Earth", which is probably where most of the next films will take place

Like one or two prequel movies are fine sure but literally nothing the Autobots or Decepticons do is going to matter because almost everyone is dead by TLK.

The core cast of characters are gone what can you do with the story as it is now? What can you do with Unicron, Quintessa, Megatron and Barricade as your only antagonists left (and the next bunch of expendable Decepticon grunts like Brunt, Airwave and Wildrider who get killed off in 5 minutes)

Like if these next movies are prequels for sure then literally these movies do not matter, no amount of good writing or G1 design pandering is going to change that.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:46 pm
by ZeroWolf
So did anyone tell lucas that the prequel movies didn't matter before he made them? You can make that argument for any and all prequel movies. Bee is not a reboot and it doesn't need to be as it is already a good film.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:58 pm
by Deadput
ZeroWolf wrote:So did anyone tell lucas that the prequel movies didn't matter before he made them? You can make that argument for any and all prequel movies. Bee is not a reboot and it doesn't need to be as it is already a good film.

The point of the Star Wars prequels was the downfall of Anakin and the Jedi as well as the journey to becoming Darth Vader, the pointlessness was a big point in of itself and it's not like the Original movies were bloody despised by the fandom.

I doubt the next Transformers films if they are prequels will set up the exact same thing like the downfall of Jazz or the tragedy of Shockwave the wise becoming Shockwave the idiot monster.

People wanted to see the Star Wars prequels because the originals were good films and were actually able to get people invested in the universe of that franchise, The Bay films are hated by fans and casual audiences alike besides a minority (not a small one per say but still a minority) and I doubt many people actually wanted a prequel

I doubt any of the Transformers "prequels" will even acknowledged a single thing from the Bay films (Bee was already in production as a prequel don't use this film as an example) so why bother hanging on?

There is so much baggage associated with these films, literally the best thing to do is to refresh and reboot, otherwise they will drag these movies down in the long run.

(Bumblebee is a good movie but it's a pretty damn bad prequel movie with it's clash of aesthetics and disregard for all of the live action films besides the first one for it's continuity.)

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:17 pm
by william-james88
Deadput wrote:Like if these next movies are prequels for sure then literally these movies do not matter, no amount of good writing or G1 design pandering is going to change that.

Its a good thing Hasbro doesnt have your mentality because that would have meant no Bumblebee movie.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:18 pm
by ZeroWolf
Good points except that bee 2 is coming, so it stands to reason that it will follow bee in being a prequel, there's plenty of time to play with and plenty of other cons they could use, they could even have a plot of one film being a group of cons messing the timeline up ;)

I've said it before, there will be a reboot for the franchise but bee is not that film, if anything hasbro has learned that the style can change and be a prequel (just as style changed from amarda to Energon to Cybertron) or like the wfc games being prequels to prime and prime itself being a prequel to rid

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:59 pm
by william-james88
ZeroWolf wrote:Good points except that bee 2 is coming

FYI, that is still not confirmed. Some journalists jumped the gun with 0 evidence and misinformation.

Re: Transformers Bumblebee Movie Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:30 pm
by o.supreme
william-james88 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Spain has a forty foot Mazinger Z statue (I know you're on about the states but I felt it was a good bit of triva to drop)

I wish Quebec had a giant Grandizer statue, he is our most beloved robot.


I'll do you one better, here's a Statue with a Parade! In Italy



I'd give up all the thanksgiving, xmas, and new years day parades, and every parade that Disney has, for just ONE of these.

New Optimus Prime Concept Art from Bumblebee Film

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:02 pm
by RobRobRobRobRob
For those of us who continue to be captivated by the character design of Transformers Bumblebee, we have some possible news of interest in the form of new concept art of Optimus Prime himself. Courtesy of Shane Baxley's Instagram account, the image is a simple profile of an early Prime's face, featuring some minor differences in detailing which truly does require a side-by-side to notice. It truly does go as a testament to how decided upon the character designers were to keeping the basic designs of the original animated series in mind while drawing up their own designs.

The photo is provided below, so be sure to let us know what you think in the forums below, and be sure to stay tuned to Seibertron.com for more Transformers news and reviews!


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