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ZeroWolf wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Early reports are coming in from fans who have seen it already that this movie is dumb, but not the same kind of immature, gross-out, embarrassed-by-the-source-material kind of dumb of the Bay movies. More like a fun kind of dumb. The right kind of dumb.

These fan reports also agree that Bumblebee was still the better movie in regards to being a movie.

I heard a couple people say this is like a Saturday morning cartoon.



I'm fine with that.

All I want from a TF movie

Ditto.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Early reports are coming in from fans who have seen it already that this movie is dumb, but not the same kind of immature, gross-out, embarrassed-by-the-source-material kind of dumb of the Bay movies. More like a fun kind of dumb. The right kind of dumb.

These fan reports also agree that Bumblebee was still the better movie in regards to being a movie.

I heard a couple people say this is like a Saturday morning cartoon.



I'm fine with that.

All I want from a TF movie

Ditto.

I'm also okay with the occasional dose of cleavage but not in this type of movie.

First-Aid wrote:I'm also okay with the occasional dose of cleavage but not in this type of movie.

Especially when it's supposed to be "for kids."

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Early reports are coming in from fans who have seen it already that this movie is dumb, but not the same kind of immature, gross-out, embarrassed-by-the-source-material kind of dumb of the Bay movies. More like a fun kind of dumb. The right kind of dumb.

These fan reports also agree that Bumblebee was still the better movie in regards to being a movie.

I heard a couple people say this is like a Saturday morning cartoon.



I'm fine with that.

The thing is, the general landscape of what makes something a "Saturday morning cartoon" has really shifted over the years. Is it a Saturday morning cartoon like how Batman: The Animated Series was, or a Saturday morning cartoon like SpongeBob is?

If I'm being honest, as much as I like SpongeBob, I'd much rather this movie be something closer to the former than the latter.

Just got back from seeing ROTB! I’ll have more thoughts on it in the spoiler thread sometime soon, but I really enjoyed it!

I’m not too sure of rankings yet, but I’m currently thinking it’s fighting with ROTF for 3rd place, with DOTM on top followed by 07 in second place.

As a Bayverse fan who didn’t really enjoy the Bumblebee movie, I thought ROTB was great!

Saw it yesterday. Loved it!

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Early reports are coming in from fans who have seen it already that this movie is dumb, but not the same kind of immature, gross-out, embarrassed-by-the-source-material kind of dumb of the Bay movies. More like a fun kind of dumb. The right kind of dumb.

These fan reports also agree that Bumblebee was still the better movie in regards to being a movie.

I heard a couple people say this is like a Saturday morning cartoon.



I'm fine with that.

The thing is, the general landscape of what makes something a "Saturday morning cartoon" has really shifted over the years. Is it a Saturday morning cartoon like how Batman: The Animated Series was, or a Saturday morning cartoon like SpongeBob is?

If I'm being honest, as much as I like SpongeBob, I'd much rather this movie be something closer to the former than the latter.

Saturday morning cartoons haven't even been a thing for some 20 years now.

Emerje

How could Stratosphere's general health have been neglected like that? Surely the Autobots have some medical knowledge? I mean, they rebuilt Mirage quite quickly didn't they?

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Early reports are coming in from fans who have seen it already that this movie is dumb, but not the same kind of immature, gross-out, embarrassed-by-the-source-material kind of dumb of the Bay movies. More like a fun kind of dumb. The right kind of dumb.

These fan reports also agree that Bumblebee was still the better movie in regards to being a movie.

I heard a couple people say this is like a Saturday morning cartoon.



I'm fine with that.

The thing is, the general landscape of what makes something a "Saturday morning cartoon" has really shifted over the years. Is it a Saturday morning cartoon like how Batman: The Animated Series was, or a Saturday morning cartoon like SpongeBob is?

If I'm being honest, as much as I like SpongeBob, I'd much rather this movie be something closer to the former than the latter.

Saturday morning cartoons haven't even been a thing for some 20 years now.

Emerje

BE QUIET AND GET OFF MY LAWN!









...20 years....i haz the sadz...

First-Aid wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Early reports are coming in from fans who have seen it already that this movie is dumb, but not the same kind of immature, gross-out, embarrassed-by-the-source-material kind of dumb of the Bay movies. More like a fun kind of dumb. The right kind of dumb.

These fan reports also agree that Bumblebee was still the better movie in regards to being a movie.

I heard a couple people say this is like a Saturday morning cartoon.



I'm fine with that.

The thing is, the general landscape of what makes something a "Saturday morning cartoon" has really shifted over the years. Is it a Saturday morning cartoon like how Batman: The Animated Series was, or a Saturday morning cartoon like SpongeBob is?

If I'm being honest, as much as I like SpongeBob, I'd much rather this movie be something closer to the former than the latter.

Saturday morning cartoons haven't even been a thing for some 20 years now.

Emerje

BE QUIET AND GET OFF MY LAWN!









...20 years....i haz the sadz...

It's actually been only 9 years.

Sabrblade wrote: It's actually been only 9 years.

It depends on where you are in the world, obviously.

Over here in Quebec, the true Saturday Mornings ended at the very least 25 years ago.

But the GOOD STUFF ended when I was around 10, meaning 36 years ago. Transformers, GI-Joe, Goldorak, Albator, Demetan, Astro Boy, He-Man, were all gone, replaced by some random crap or every single mother effing Disney shows. At least at the same time, Tiny Toons appeared.

Got back from the movie and I have to agree with the little opener they put in the film with the director saying it's meant to be seen in theater... movie was my favorite of the series so far and ties in alot of the bayverse/bumblebee plotlines in a very cool way. Dont want to post too much spoiler stuff but Anthony Ramos really exceeded expectations and so did Pete Davidson, who I am admittedly a bit prejudiced against because of his real lifestyle and the way he jokes about his father dying etc.

The CGI was probably the cleanest looking on the big screen too, and the fears I had about the rap being overwhelming were unfounded as well as they put it in alot of places but it is well timed and thought out for the most part.

The ending with the big spoiler at the conclusion was WOW when main character goes to his next interview.

Can't wait to see where they go from here.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote: It's actually been only 9 years.

It depends on where you are in the world, obviously.

Over here in Quebec, the true Saturday Mornings ended at the very least 25 years ago.

But the GOOD STUFF ended when I was around 10, meaning 36 years ago. Transformers, GI-Joe, Goldorak, Albator, Demetan, Astro Boy, He-Man, were all gone, replaced by some random crap or every single mother effing Disney shows. At least at the same time, Tiny Toons appeared.

Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, and Freakazoid tried to save cartoons in the 90s. OH, and Gargoyles.

As for the Disney shows, let's face it: they had the coolest themes. Darkwing Duck, Talespin, Chip and Dale's Rescue Rangers...those themes rocked....

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote: It's actually been only 9 years.

It depends on where you are in the world, obviously.

Over here in Quebec, the true Saturday Mornings ended at the very least 25 years ago.

But the GOOD STUFF ended when I was around 10, meaning 36 years ago. Transformers, GI-Joe, Goldorak, Albator, Demetan, Astro Boy, He-Man, were all gone, replaced by some random crap or every single mother effing Disney shows. At least at the same time, Tiny Toons appeared.

Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, and Freakazoid tried to save cartoons in the 90s. OH, and Gargoyles.

As for the Disney shows, let's face it: they had the coolest themes. Darkwing Duck, Talespin, Chip and Dale's Rescue Rangers...those themes rocked....

And I think we're forgetting to mention a very particular one from the 90s: BEAST WARS!!!

(it eventually aired on Saturday mornings when it reran on Fox Kids)

Sabrblade wrote:BEAST WARS!!!

Can't say I'm familiar with that one...

Airazor and I went for the first time tonight.

It was good! I would put it right with DotM as my favorite transformers movie.

I will talk more in the spoiler thread, but needless to say, Mirage, Primal, and Scourge were the standouts of the movie. And all 3 are fighting to be my new favorite movie characters

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:BEAST WARS!!!

Can't say I'm familiar with that one...

Me neither because at the time, the only way to watch that show was to pay premium for cable TV... and the only English I knew was the barebone basics from school.

I finally watched BW once I knew how to sail the Seven Seas on the net, and knew how to English years and years later.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:BEAST WARS!!!

Can't say I'm familiar with that one...

Me neither because at the time, the only way to watch that show was to pay premium for cable TV... and the only English I knew was the barebone basics from school.

I finally watched BW once I knew how to sail the Seven Seas on the net, and knew how to English years and years later.

Same, no way my parents were gonna get YTV. But we did go to the video store a lot and I rented the Beast Wars vhs tapes. Which means I was far better versed in season one than the following seasons.

The Transformers live action franchise has gone through a lot of ups and downs in the past 16 years. It was once a billion dollar box office champion, but as of late it is unclear if it can still get back to those glory days. While Bumblebee was a critical darling (the Rotten Tomatoe score has a higher percentage for critics liking it than fans), it didn't bring that much at the box office. That didn't matter as much since the film cost a lot less than previous Transformers movies but now, with Rise of the Beasts, the budget has literally doubled from 100M to 200M, so the Studio is expecting a big return. And it's unclear if they will get it.

It is not even clear if Rise of the Beasts will be the number one movie in the US during its opening week-end, with sites like Deadline reporting predictions of similar numbers in the 50M range for both Into the Spider-verse and Transformers Rise of the Beasts.

However, while Transformers Rise of the Beasts has tough competition in the US, Deadline also calculates that it will be the number 1 film worldwide, predicting 155M worldwide. While that number is big, this film needs to be front loaded due to it being sandwiched between Spider-Man and the Flash (well, more like Keaton's Batman), which is quite the coincidence since this happened with Bumblebee back in 2018 which also had to deal with the previous Spider-verse and a DC property (Aquaman). It's really up in the air though with big factors like word of mouth, and China's box office, that will determine if this film succeeds at the box office or not. You'll let us know what you think and we'll come back Sunday evening with the actual numbers to see how accurate these predictions were and who was the champion of the US box office.

While fans can loathe critic scores till the cows come home, they haven't shown to have much of an impact on box office success. For the Transformers franchise, it's even an inverse relation at times. And this can be said for the box office at large. A better predicter for success is Cinemascore. This is basically the equivalent to word of mouth but through standardized surveys. These have become almost binary even though they are on a gradient.

Basically, films with strong word of mouth get As and the ones that that don't have that get Bs and anything below is dead on arrival, when it comes to big budget films. Most Marvel films in the past have gotten at least an A-, but that changed in phase 4 where Eternals and the latest films from the Doctor Strange, Ant-man and Thor franchises have gotten a B+ or less. Well, Transformers Rise of the Beasts has scored an A- Cinemascore and that is excellent news. It beats out all those Marvel films we mentioned as well as The Last Knight which had a B+.

This was posted by the actual Cinemascore group on Twitter.

I went to see the movie yesterday but I was surprised to see that the room are barely 2/3 full. Granted, it was for the 4:30PM showing, but still.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I went to see the movie yesterday but I was surprised to see that the room are barely 2/3 full. Granted, it was for the 4:30PM showing, but still.

My showing at 3:30 had 10 people total

william-james88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I went to see the movie yesterday but I was surprised to see that the room are barely 2/3 full. Granted, it was for the 4:30PM showing, but still.

My showing at 3:30 had 10 people total

Maybe the rooms are truly full at night after 6PM.

william-james88 wrote:While fans can loathe critic scores till the cows come home, they haven't shown to have much of an impact on box office success. For the Transformers franchise, it's even an inverse relation at times. And this can be said for the box office at large. A better predicter for success is Cinemascore. This is basically the equivalent to word of mouth but through standardized surveys. These have become almost binary even though they are on a gradient.

Basically, films with strong word of mouth get As and the ones that that don't have that get Bs and anything below is dead on arrival, when it comes to big budget films. Most Marvel films in the past have gotten at least an A-, but that changed in phase 4 where Eternals and the latest films from the Doctor Strange, Ant-man and Thor franchises have gotten a B+ or less. Well, Transformers Rise of the Beasts has scored an A- Cinemascore and that is excellent news. It beats out all those Marvel films we mentioned as well as The Last Knight which had a B+.

This was posted by the actual Cinemascore group on Twitter.

This is solely my own armchair analysis but since I started reviewing movie toys with Age of Extinction, I have noticed a gradual but steady decline in interest as well as shorter windows of interest. As it is with ROTB, I'm not getting close to the views I did with Bumblebee movie toys which were far, far bellow TLK and AOE.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I went to see the movie yesterday but I was surprised to see that the room are barely 2/3 full. Granted, it was for the 4:30PM showing, but still.

My showing at 3:30 had 10 people total

Maybe the rooms are truly full at night after 6PM.

I went to a 6:10 showing last night with two friends. It was just us and two other people. Looked like everyone was going to Across the Sipder-verse. I'm rural, maybe it's doing better in cities?