The Energon Pub

after watching the G1 episode, "Atlantis, Arise!"... i found it funny that in the Movie, the Decepticons were dropped at the bottom of the Atlantic Trench to be "disposed" of, hoping they'd freeze or at the very least have the pressures of the deep crush them, but as seen in the episode i just watched, it's clear and rather funny to note that not only can they function and not implode, they can speak, and steal fish people's energy and convert to Energon Cubes underwater! movie logic be damned!

But to be honest, that is G1 logic, so if movie logic is damned, what the hell kind of curse can you put on G1 logic?

In a less silly response, in G1 all the mechanics were sealed away in the blocky designs we all know & love. However, the movie designs are giant messes of wire & metal, bits poking out everywhere. They aren't going to survive underwater as well as the G1 characters...

Justicity wrote:But to be honest, that is G1 logic, so if movie logic is damned, what the hell kind of curse can you put on G1 logic?

In a less silly response, in G1 all the mechanics were sealed away in the blocky designs we all know & love. However, the movie designs are giant messes of wire & metal, bits poking out everywhere. They aren't going to survive underwater as well as the G1 characters...

Now that right there is flawed logic. For starters they are ALIENS, and have ALIEN technology. Its common sense to assume that they are made out of materials far beyond ANYTHING the human race has ever invented or even dreamed of creating, so being able to survive down there wouldnt be too much of a stretch.

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:But to be honest, that is G1 logic, so if movie logic is damned, what the hell kind of curse can you put on G1 logic?

In a less silly response, in G1 all the mechanics were sealed away in the blocky designs we all know & love. However, the movie designs are giant messes of wire & metal, bits poking out everywhere. They aren't going to survive underwater as well as the G1 characters...

Now that right there is flawed logic. For starters they are ALIENS, and have ALIEN technology. Its common sense to assume that they are made out of materials far beyond ANYTHING the human race has ever invented or even dreamed of creating, so being able to survive down there wouldnt be too much of a stretch.

Good point, though I don't see how that means my logic is flawed. (Sorry, I'm a big fan of my logic & I debate with friends & collogues everyday, so an attack on my logic is an attack on me. Sorry, that's just how I receive these comments.)

In response, isn't most Earth tech reverse engineered from Megatron, who is one of said Aliens, so therefore if they COULD survive water, surely wouldn't all of Earth's mechanics be waterproof & rust free?

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:But to be honest, that is G1 logic, so if movie logic is damned, what the hell kind of curse can you put on G1 logic?

In a less silly response, in G1 all the mechanics were sealed away in the blocky designs we all know & love. However, the movie designs are giant messes of wire & metal, bits poking out everywhere. They aren't going to survive underwater as well as the G1 characters...

Now that right there is flawed logic. For starters they are ALIENS, and have ALIEN technology. Its common sense to assume that they are made out of materials far beyond ANYTHING the human race has ever invented or even dreamed of creating, so being able to survive down there wouldnt be too much of a stretch.

Good point, though I don't see how that means my logic is flawed. (Sorry, I'm a big fan of my logic & I debate with friends & collogues everyday, so an attack on my logic is an attack on me. Sorry, that's just how I receive these comments.)

In response, isn't most Earth tech reverse engineered from Megatron, who is one of said Aliens, so therefore if they COULD survive water, surely wouldn't all of Earth's mechanics be waterproof & rust free?

Not necesarrily (sp?) It was reverse egineered based on what we (face it we are primitive humans in comparison to the TFs) could understand. If we fully understood all the technology within megs, then wed be able to make our own autobots and new life.

The way i see it, the amount of technology and knowledge they took from megatron would consist of about 1% of entire understanding of his kind and his technology.

Sorry if i offended you btw, i know how you feel though. I like a good debate and i consider my logic to be the best in the world so its good to meet someone with similar attitudes. Its a shame because around here you cant have an intelligent debate without it turning into a pathetic troll riddled flame war. Please be the exception to that rule wouldya?

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:But to be honest, that is G1 logic, so if movie logic is damned, what the hell kind of curse can you put on G1 logic?

In a less silly response, in G1 all the mechanics were sealed away in the blocky designs we all know & love. However, the movie designs are giant messes of wire & metal, bits poking out everywhere. They aren't going to survive underwater as well as the G1 characters...

Now that right there is flawed logic. For starters they are ALIENS, and have ALIEN technology. Its common sense to assume that they are made out of materials far beyond ANYTHING the human race has ever invented or even dreamed of creating, so being able to survive down there wouldnt be too much of a stretch.

Good point, though I don't see how that means my logic is flawed. (Sorry, I'm a big fan of my logic & I debate with friends & collogues everyday, so an attack on my logic is an attack on me. Sorry, that's just how I receive these comments.)

In response, isn't most Earth tech reverse engineered from Megatron, who is one of said Aliens, so therefore if they COULD survive water, surely wouldn't all of Earth's mechanics be waterproof & rust free?

Not necesarrily (sp?) It was reverse egineered based on what we (face it we are primitive humans in comparison to the TFs) could understand. If we fully understood all the technology within megs, then wed be able to make our own autobots and new life.

The way i see it, the amount of technology and knowledge they took from megatron would consist of about 1% of entire understanding of his kind and his technology.

Sorry if i offended you btw, i know how you feel though. I like a good debate and i consider my logic to be the best in the world so its good to meet someone with similar attitudes. Its a shame because around here you cant have an intelligent debate without it turning into a pathetic troll riddled flame war. Please be the exception to that rule wouldya?

Of course ^^ I love a good, controlled, debate.

Anyway, As you suggested, it is very likely, almost positive, Sector 7 only ascertained a limited amount of information regarding NBE1, however, if there was a "metal" in his being that could resist water then it is VERY likely that the humans, in their everlasting quest for knowledge, would break that "metal" down to it's most basic components & try to recreate that "metal" & it's property's.

Add to that the probability that the exoshell was the FIRST thing they looked at & you've got the basic premise for my argument.

S7 gets NBE1 -> NBE1 has outer shell -> NBE1 used for reverse engineering -> No current Water resistant mechanics other than waterproof seals (well, nothing good enough to waterproof an entire huge machine) -> THEREFORE it can be assumed that -> Exoshell (& other components) provided no information about water proof property's -> NBE1/Megatron is not water proof -> Transformers thrown into water = Kablooom!


Also we seem to be missing the idea that the pressure from the water around the DEEPEST POINT ON EARTH would crush the Transformers. Sector7 must have tested this before disposing of the "bodies". So there's very little chance Meg's will survive. However Sonray, if you have a response to my argument (minus this last paragraph) I am not willing to consider this argument won yet ^^

I don't think they have to worry about FREEZING...

If the water pressure is high enough (i.e. VERY high), saltwater won't freeze at all, no matter HOW cold it gets. And if the dump site is all it's cracked up to be, I'm betting the water pressure would be high enough for that to happen.

Justicity wrote:Of course ^^ I love a good, controlled, debate.

Anyway, As you suggested, it is very likely, almost positive, Sector 7 only ascertained a limited amount of information regarding NBE1, however, if there was a "metal" in his being that could resist water then it is VERY likely that the humans, in their everlasting quest for knowledge, would break that "metal" down to it's most basic components & try to recreate that "metal" & it's property's.

Add to that the probability that the exoshell was the FIRST thing they looked at & you've got the basic premise for my argument.

S7 gets NBE1 -> NBE1 has outer shell -> NBE1 used for reverse engineering -> No current Water resistant mechanics other than waterproof seals (well, nothing good enough to waterproof an entire huge machine) -> THEREFORE it can be assumed that -> Exoshell (& other components) provided no information about water proof property's -> NBE1/Megatron is not water proof -> Transformers thrown into water = Kablooom!


Also we seem to be missing the idea that the pressure from the water around the DEEPEST POINT ON EARTH would crush the Transformers. Sector7 must have tested this before disposing of the "bodies". So there's very little chance Meg's will survive. However Sonray, if you have a response to my argument (minus this last paragraph) I am not willing to consider this argument won yet ^^

I doubt it, since, like i said, we are primitives compared to them, and even if we could understand the metal, there is no other substance like it on earth to make more of it with, other than that on megs himself.

Remember these guys are aliens, so its likeley whatever they have on them doesnt exsist on earth, and humans simply cant re-create it. Especially if said metal has healing properties, thats WAAAAAY beyond anything us humans can understand at the current time. Maybe given another 100/150 years or so, but not in present time.

Also you are forgetting the space factors here. Who says that the bottom of the ocean is such a bad place for these guys, considering that they travel through space, a vacuum full of different pressures and radioactive dangers, and re-enter and crash land on our plant without even receiving a scratch with no problems. Not to mention that they can survive on planets like Mars, and who knows what kind of pressures are in cybertrons atmosphere?

I dont think that several thousands of tonnes of water pressure is going to harm them that much when they can make interstallar space travel look as easy as walking.

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:Of course ^^ I love a good, controlled, debate.

Anyway, As you suggested, it is very likely, almost positive, Sector 7 only ascertained a limited amount of information regarding NBE1, however, if there was a "metal" in his being that could resist water then it is VERY likely that the humans, in their everlasting quest for knowledge, would break that "metal" down to it's most basic components & try to recreate that "metal" & it's property's.

Add to that the probability that the exoshell was the FIRST thing they looked at & you've got the basic premise for my argument.

S7 gets NBE1 -> NBE1 has outer shell -> NBE1 used for reverse engineering -> No current Water resistant mechanics other than waterproof seals (well, nothing good enough to waterproof an entire huge machine) -> THEREFORE it can be assumed that -> Exoshell (& other components) provided no information about water proof property's -> NBE1/Megatron is not water proof -> Transformers thrown into water = Kablooom!


Also we seem to be missing the idea that the pressure from the water around the DEEPEST POINT ON EARTH would crush the Transformers. Sector7 must have tested this before disposing of the "bodies". So there's very little chance Meg's will survive. However Sonray, if you have a response to my argument (minus this last paragraph) I am not willing to consider this argument won yet ^^

I doubt it, since, like i said, we are primitives compared to them, and even if we could understand the metal, there is no other substance like it on earth to make more of it with, other than that on megs himself.

Remember these guys are aliens, so its likeley whatever they have on them doesnt exsist on earth, and humans simply cant re-create it. Especially if said metal has healing properties, thats WAAAAAY beyond anything us humans can understand at the current time. Maybe given another 100/150 years or so, but not in present time.

Also you are forgetting the space factors here. Who says that the bottom of the ocean is such a bad place for these guys, considering that they travel through space, a vacuum full of different pressures and radioactive dangers, and re-enter and crash land on our plant without even receiving a scratch with no problems. Not to mention that they can survive on planets like Mars, and who knows what kind of pressures are in cybertrons atmosphere?

I dont think that several thousands of tonnes of water pressure is going to harm them that much when they can make interstallar space travel look as easy as walking.

However that interstellar travel is done in entry/alt mode (for those like Megatron) & different parts show in each mode. If all of their bodies could withstand the pressures, why bother with entry modes. (I say entry mode because thats the official name, however as BB showed in the prequel comic, It is the mode designed for all of space travel, not just entry.) Why not just float along in robot bode superman style? It would be easier to defend yourself if attacked.

We can assume that only the parts designed to go outside in entry mode are protective. The 'cons are no longer in entry mode (bar megatron who was left in robot mode anyway) & it's unlikely a CD player, police car(if he's there), tank, Pave low & Buffalo are designed to survive space travel. The way I see it, even if the 'cons still have some space travel parts in their bodies, the rest of them will be crushed to a small, frozen sphere while Megatron's Jet mode casing will be left there, stuck to the bottom of the sea. All the important stuff, brain casing, spark casing, hydraulics (or whatever they have instead of muscles(sp?)), & fuel intake will be crushed.


As for the initial discussion, You'd be surprised at what we can recreate. I'm no science buff but aren't there quite a few elements on the periodic table we've created in labs & found nowhere in natural environments?
All a good scientist would need to do is break down the atoms of the "metal", take a look around for other factors, such as nano technology, see if they come into play, & measure the amounts of each element. Well if there was nanotech in Megs, the world of the movie would most likely have at least basic nanotechnology, yet we believe it to be at the same scientific level to our society. That rules that out. So it would be just as simple as getting enough hydrogen atoms & recreating the atoms found in the metal. In theory It's really not that difficult for a good scientist with the right lab.
Besides, if the only material on earth with these properties (If Megs really does have them) is on Megatron, don't you think 7 would have striped Megs of this material & used it to make EXTREMELY important things safe, such as creating an unbreakable safe, impenetrable armour, & other such things, maybe only one of each, & used them as their own or for special government missions.


Yes we are primitive in comparison to the Cybertronians, but remember who it was who wounded Scorpinok? Who gave Blackout the nutshot of the century? Who kept Megatron on ice for so many years? You've got to remember that in the movie continuity everything we have came from Megatron. We aren't so primitive. Especially in comparison to the G1 humans who really were primitive in comparison to the 'cons.
7 had been researching Megatron for generations, Simmons's great-grandfather was in the first 7, & his grandfather followed, as did his father & eventually him. Thats along time, & as modern technology was built from Megatron you'd think modern technology would have a good grasp on what it is that makes NBE1 NB.

I think we are both looking too deep into this whole thing dude.

Its just a movie at the end of the day. Fiction, a micheal bay movie for one thing, stuff aint meant to make total logical sense, its just meant to blow up and look cool and its only nut job geeks like you and me that over complicate things.

Seriously, its just a movie its not meant to be realistic, but i still stand by what i said originally.

Megs and the other bots are HIGHLY advanced alien races, and in the movie universe they are way beyond any of our understanding (where as maybe if they was REAL we would understand more, but even that is a bit pie in the sky considering how dumb humans are. If we did find such technology and master it, we'd all probably be dead by now anyway), and we had only just started to slightly understand the technology within megs after hundreds of years of trying to understand it. The way i see it, is in the movie universe he and the other are so far beyond anything we can understand hence why only basic things, I.E. our current evolution of technology, has been created using what they found out from megatron. They let this technology out to the public, gave us the modern life we have today and have billions of trillions of dollars to fund their continueing experiments on finding out the secrets of the "ice man".

Like i said if they was given another 100 years or so then they would have understood more of meg's technology and we would have more advanced things, just as we will in real life. Its just that in the movie everything we know is reverse egineered from megatron and then "human-ised" as humans are the ones who had to build the technology based on the data they got from researching megs. That alone would take the technology back a step based on the limits of our current technological abilities and access to earth-based materials to build the technology with.

I doubt that a highly advanced race of aliens like the transformers will find functioning at the bottom of the ocean that much of a step considering that they have mastered interstellar space travel, can create their own life, and take form of anything they see.

On a slightly off topic note, what is the name of the abyss in which the "dead" corpses of the deceptions where dropped in? I only remember it was 7 miles down. I love underwater exploration so this is a little tid bit that has been bothering me since i saw the movie as i forgot the name of the abyss.


(sorry to take so long to respond BTW. Its just that i have a problem with reading so much text at once, so it was quite overhwelming to read your post so i had to psych (sp) myself up for it, lol)

Sonray wrote:I think we are both looking too deep into this whole thing dude.

Its just a movie at the end of the day. Fiction, a micheal bay movie for one thing, stuff aint meant to make total logical sense, its just meant to blow up and look cool and its only nut job geeks like you and me that over complicate things.

Seriously, its just a movie its not meant to be realistic, but i still stand by what i said originally.

Megs and the other bots are HIGHLY advanced alien races, and in the movie universe they are way beyond any of our understanding (where as maybe if they was REAL we would understand more, but even that is a bit pie in the sky considering how dumb humans are. If we did find such technology and master it, we'd all probably be dead by now anyway), and we had only just started to slightly understand the technology within megs after hundreds of years of trying to understand it. The way i see it, is in the movie universe he and the other are so far beyond anything we can understand hence why only basic things, I.E. our current evolution of technology, has been created using what they found out from megatron. They let this technology out to the public, gave us the modern life we have today and have billions of trillions of dollars to fund their continueing experiments on finding out the secrets of the "ice man".

Like i said if they was given another 100 years or so then they would have understood more of meg's technology and we would have more advanced things, just as we will in real life. Its just that in the movie everything we know is reverse egineered from megatron and then "human-ised" as humans are the ones who had to build the technology based on the data they got from researching megs. That alone would take the technology back a step based on the limits of our current technological abilities and access to earth-based materials to build the technology with.

I doubt that a highly advanced race of aliens like the transformers will find functioning at the bottom of the ocean that much of a step considering that they have mastered interstellar space travel, can create their own life, and take form of anything they see.

On a slightly off topic note, what is the name of the abyss in which the "dead" corpses of the deceptions where dropped in? I only remember it was 7 miles down. I love underwater exploration so this is a little tid bit that has been bothering me since i saw the movie as i forgot the name of the abyss.


(sorry to take so long to respond BTW. Its just that i have a problem with reading so much text at once, so it was quite overhwelming to read your post so i had to psych (sp) myself up for it, lol)

Seriously dude, I love you!
Don't worry, I just don't have much going on at the moment so I'm at the computer the whole time XD


As for the first paragraph, too true ^^ the discussion is just circling round & round. Oh well, It was fun while it was in a straight line.

And finally the dump site; "In an effort to limit awareness of situation, Sector seven has been terminated- & the remains of the dead aliens are being disposed of in the Laurentian Abyss. At 7 miles below sea level, it's the deepest point on the planet." To quote the last page of movie adaptation 4.

It carries on if you're interested. It says they also plan to blow up the bodies, but that was left out of the film. "A nuclear blast there will be buffered by the masive depth & pressure, burying the rubble... No evidence." This actually makes much more sense than the movie explanation. Why they left it out I don't know, It would take no more than a few seconds to explain it fully, was time really that tight?

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:I think we are both looking too deep into this whole thing dude.

Its just a movie at the end of the day. Fiction, a micheal bay movie for one thing, stuff aint meant to make total logical sense, its just meant to blow up and look cool and its only nut job geeks like you and me that over complicate things.

Seriously, its just a movie its not meant to be realistic, but i still stand by what i said originally.

Megs and the other bots are HIGHLY advanced alien races, and in the movie universe they are way beyond any of our understanding (where as maybe if they was REAL we would understand more, but even that is a bit pie in the sky considering how dumb humans are. If we did find such technology and master it, we'd all probably be dead by now anyway), and we had only just started to slightly understand the technology within megs after hundreds of years of trying to understand it. The way i see it, is in the movie universe he and the other are so far beyond anything we can understand hence why only basic things, I.E. our current evolution of technology, has been created using what they found out from megatron. They let this technology out to the public, gave us the modern life we have today and have billions of trillions of dollars to fund their continueing experiments on finding out the secrets of the "ice man".

Like i said if they was given another 100 years or so then they would have understood more of meg's technology and we would have more advanced things, just as we will in real life. Its just that in the movie everything we know is reverse egineered from megatron and then "human-ised" as humans are the ones who had to build the technology based on the data they got from researching megs. That alone would take the technology back a step based on the limits of our current technological abilities and access to earth-based materials to build the technology with.

I doubt that a highly advanced race of aliens like the transformers will find functioning at the bottom of the ocean that much of a step considering that they have mastered interstellar space travel, can create their own life, and take form of anything they see.

On a slightly off topic note, what is the name of the abyss in which the "dead" corpses of the deceptions where dropped in? I only remember it was 7 miles down. I love underwater exploration so this is a little tid bit that has been bothering me since i saw the movie as i forgot the name of the abyss.


(sorry to take so long to respond BTW. Its just that i have a problem with reading so much text at once, so it was quite overhwelming to read your post so i had to psych (sp) myself up for it, lol)

Seriously dude, I love you!
Don't worry, I just don't have much going on at the moment so I'm at the computer the whole time XD


As for the first paragraph, too true ^^ the discussion is just circling round & round. Oh well, It was fun while it was in a straight line.

And finally the dump site; "In an effort to limit awareness of situation, Sector seven has been terminated- & the remains of the dead aliens are being disposed of in the Laurentian Abyss. At 7 miles below sea level, it's the deepest point on the planet." To quote the last page of movie adaptation 4.

It carries on if you're interested. It says they also plan to blow up the bodies, but that was left out of the film. "A nuclear blast there will be buffered by the masive depth & pressure, burying the rubble... No evidence." This actually makes much more sense than the movie explanation. Why they left it out I don't know, It would take no more than a few seconds to explain it fully, was time really that tight?

Glad someone loves me on here. It makes a change from being hated

Ive never read any of the TF comics, as im not really one for reading for a start and i dont collect comics. I wouldnt mind downloading the movie adaptation if i could find a torrent though as id mainly be interested in just the artwork. (have you seen my pic of g1 prime?)

Thanks for clearing up the name of the abyss....i will go and look up more info on that now just out of curiosity as i find underwater exploration somewhat more interesting than space since we know more about space then we do about our own oceans. I think we have explored about 2% of our own oceans, yet we know more about 15% of the sky...

Space is no longer the final frontier, our own planet still holds many secrets.

Who knows, maybe theres a real pile of "dead" robotic bodies down there somewhere? (it wouldnt surprise me if they did find some type of crashed alien space craft hidden in the deeps.)

Sonray wrote:Glad someone loves me on here. It makes a change from being hated

Haha, glad I could be an exception.

Ive never read any of the TF comics, as im not really one for reading for a start and i dont collect comics. I wouldnt mind downloading the movie adaptation if i could find a torrent though as id mainly be interested in just the artwork. (have you seen my pic of g1 prime?)

Sorry, I don't have a CLUE how to do torrents, but the comics, both prequel & adaptation, are worth a buy, If you have a spare £20odd quid. Of course there's always the trade-paper-back versions. Though they are a bit more expensive, you don't run the risk of not being able to find an issue.

Thanks for clearing up the name of the abyss....i will go and look up more info on that now just out of curiosity as i find underwater exploration somewhat more interesting than space since we know more about space then we do about our own oceans. I think we have explored about 2% of our own oceans, yet we know more about 15% of the sky...

Space is no longer the final frontier, our own planet still holds many secrets.

Who knows, maybe theres a real pile of "dead" robotic bodies down there somewhere? (it wouldnt surprise me if they did find some type of crashed alien space craft hidden in the deeps.)

I completely agree! Yea space is interesting, & there is a small chance there's something out there. But what's to say finding that something would benefit us. Take stargate SG1 for example. The US explore, piss off the Goa'ould (sp), end up almost being wiped out... Wonderful...

£20 for a comic?!?!? Screw that! I can buy a voyager movie toy for that! lol.

Nah i'll keep searching for a torrent....which reminds me...*goes off and looks for one*

Sonray wrote:£20 for a comic?!?!? Screw that! I can buy a voyager movie toy for that! lol.

Nah i'll keep searching for a torrent....which reminds me...*goes off and looks for one*

Hahaha, it is all 8 of the comics. Good luck finding one ^^

Gotta remember that the humans are thinking like humans, not transformers. It is their believe that the pressure in those depths will crush the Decepticons. It doesn't have to be true from the movie's standpoint. It's just what the humans believe will happen. Wether it works or not, well that's why we'll have a sequel.

cristof wrote:Gotta remember that the humans are thinking like humans, not transformers. It is their believe that the pressure in those depths will crush the Decepticons. It doesn't have to be true from the movie's standpoint. It's just what the humans believe will happen. Wether it works or not, well that's why we'll have a sequel.

Not to mention that human made craft are able to desend to those kinds of depths anyway, so i doubt a transformer would find it all that hard to survive down there.

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:£20 for a comic?!?!? Screw that! I can buy a voyager movie toy for that! lol.

Nah i'll keep searching for a torrent....which reminds me...*goes off and looks for one*

Hahaha, it is all 8 of the comics. Good luck finding one ^^

I found one! Ohh pretty artwork..time to read.

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:£20 for a comic?!?!? Screw that! I can buy a voyager movie toy for that! lol.

Nah i'll keep searching for a torrent....which reminds me...*goes off and looks for one*

Hahaha, it is all 8 of the comics. Good luck finding one ^^

I found one! Ohh pretty artwork..time to read.

Nice one ^^

Urr... human tech has reached the extreme bottom of the oceans??? I really have trouble believing that. But you know more about it than me, so I'll take your word.

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:£20 for a comic?!?!? Screw that! I can buy a voyager movie toy for that! lol.

Nah i'll keep searching for a torrent....which reminds me...*goes off and looks for one*

Hahaha, it is all 8 of the comics. Good luck finding one ^^

I found one! Ohh pretty artwork..time to read.

Nice one ^^

Urr... human tech has reached the extreme bottom of the oceans??? I really have trouble believing that. But you know more about it than me, so I'll take your word.

Well im not an expert, but thats what the information told me. Manned subs went down there and confirmed its depth...unless i read it wrong....


No that was it....im pretty sure....unless the info i was reading was wrong. I know we have small submersables that can go about 2 or 3 miles down but they are tiny since they have windows and therefore are limited to how low they can go. (remember the things they used in Titanic?)

Im sure a full-size top of the line military sub would be able to double that depth since they dont have windows and therefore are alot stronger than the small submersibles.

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:£20 for a comic?!?!? Screw that! I can buy a voyager movie toy for that! lol.

Nah i'll keep searching for a torrent....which reminds me...*goes off and looks for one*

Hahaha, it is all 8 of the comics. Good luck finding one ^^

I found one! Ohh pretty artwork..time to read.

Nice one ^^

Urr... human tech has reached the extreme bottom of the oceans??? I really have trouble believing that. But you know more about it than me, so I'll take your word.

Well im not an expert, but thats what the information told me. Manned subs went down there and confirmed its depth...unless i read it wrong....


No that was it....im pretty sure....unless the info i was reading was wrong. I know we have small submersables that can go about 2 or 3 miles down but they are tiny since they have windows and therefore are limited to how low they can go. (remember the things they used in Titanic?)

Im sure a full-size top of the line military sub would be able to double that depth since they dont have windows and therefore are alot stronger than the small submersibles.

Hrrrm, guess so. As I said, I'll believe what you say, you know more about it than me ^^

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:£20 for a comic?!?!? Screw that! I can buy a voyager movie toy for that! lol.

Nah i'll keep searching for a torrent....which reminds me...*goes off and looks for one*

Hahaha, it is all 8 of the comics. Good luck finding one ^^

I found one! Ohh pretty artwork..time to read.

Nice one ^^

Urr... human tech has reached the extreme bottom of the oceans??? I really have trouble believing that. But you know more about it than me, so I'll take your word.

Well im not an expert, but thats what the information told me. Manned subs went down there and confirmed its depth...unless i read it wrong....


No that was it....im pretty sure....unless the info i was reading was wrong. I know we have small submersables that can go about 2 or 3 miles down but they are tiny since they have windows and therefore are limited to how low they can go. (remember the things they used in Titanic?)

Im sure a full-size top of the line military sub would be able to double that depth since they dont have windows and therefore are alot stronger than the small submersibles.

Hrrrm, guess so. As I said, I'll believe what you say, you know more about it than me ^^

I know more about most thing than many people, didnt you know i was a natural born genius?

Anyway what part of the yUK are you from?

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:£20 for a comic?!?!? Screw that! I can buy a voyager movie toy for that! lol.

Nah i'll keep searching for a torrent....which reminds me...*goes off and looks for one*

Hahaha, it is all 8 of the comics. Good luck finding one ^^

I found one! Ohh pretty artwork..time to read.

Nice one ^^

Urr... human tech has reached the extreme bottom of the oceans??? I really have trouble believing that. But you know more about it than me, so I'll take your word.

Well im not an expert, but thats what the information told me. Manned subs went down there and confirmed its depth...unless i read it wrong....


No that was it....im pretty sure....unless the info i was reading was wrong. I know we have small submersables that can go about 2 or 3 miles down but they are tiny since they have windows and therefore are limited to how low they can go. (remember the things they used in Titanic?)

Im sure a full-size top of the line military sub would be able to double that depth since they dont have windows and therefore are alot stronger than the small submersibles.

Hrrrm, guess so. As I said, I'll believe what you say, you know more about it than me ^^

I know more about most thing than many people, didnt you know i was a natural born genius?

Anyway what part of the yUK are you from?

We had this discussion three days ago XD You're from near East Anglia, & I'm from the south-coast, Brighton to be precise.

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:£20 for a comic?!?!? Screw that! I can buy a voyager movie toy for that! lol.

Nah i'll keep searching for a torrent....which reminds me...*goes off and looks for one*

Hahaha, it is all 8 of the comics. Good luck finding one ^^

I found one! Ohh pretty artwork..time to read.

Nice one ^^

Urr... human tech has reached the extreme bottom of the oceans??? I really have trouble believing that. But you know more about it than me, so I'll take your word.

Well im not an expert, but thats what the information told me. Manned subs went down there and confirmed its depth...unless i read it wrong....


No that was it....im pretty sure....unless the info i was reading was wrong. I know we have small submersables that can go about 2 or 3 miles down but they are tiny since they have windows and therefore are limited to how low they can go. (remember the things they used in Titanic?)

Im sure a full-size top of the line military sub would be able to double that depth since they dont have windows and therefore are alot stronger than the small submersibles.

Hrrrm, guess so. As I said, I'll believe what you say, you know more about it than me ^^

I know more about most thing than many people, didnt you know i was a natural born genius?

Anyway what part of the yUK are you from?

We had this discussion three days ago XD You're from near East Anglia, & I'm from the south-coast, Brighton to be precise.

Of all the circuit glitched, diode blown dim-wittery....



Im sorry, i totally forgot. You'll have to get used to that as i have a bit of a memory problem.

Sonray wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Sonray wrote:I know more about most thing than many people, didnt you know i was a natural born genius?

Anyway what part of the yUK are you from?

We had this discussion three days ago XD You're from near East Anglia, & I'm from the south-coast, Brighton to be precise.

Of all the circuit glitched, diode blown dim-wittery....



Im sorry, i totally forgot. You'll have to get used to that as i have a bit of a memory problem.

Don't worry, most of my memory goes after a couple of days... XD
Nice technocursing ^^