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I was playing the transformers game driving along when a huge comet went flying past turns out the comet was shockwave and he had come to levle the city In case you were wondering shockwave is a triple changer he transformers into a connon like Galavatron,A robot(of course!!)and a helicopter what do you think???

The game isn't canon.

no offense but rllllllllllyyyy old news every1 has known since the game came out nd in the psp version u can play as him

I never knew that

When i was fighting him there were two life meters up the top of the screen when it got to 0 i was like YES!!!but turns out it was the citys health meter that went to 0 and i lost.LOL

Yea, old news. In the PSP version you can actually play as him and his transformation makes sense. He turns into a sort of tank/cannon thing.
Besides, as has been said before, the game is not cannon.

Canon shmanon.


Seriously, who cares? What is canon? The movie? The cartoon? One of the millions of cartoons over the others?

The truth is, they are all a story and a representation of the same thing.


The question then is, why the hell didn't they have him in the movie if they have fully transformable designs for him?

Was he cool? Did he look like something they could have had in the movie?

Is it feasable for the sequel?

prlly my favorite movie designed tf hes not original g1 style as in his alt modes but other than that hes got a really cool bot mode im hope hes in tf 2

I dont know if he was good enough to be in the movie his robot mode is a bit boring and if he was do you think he would be a triple changer and what the hell is every one talking about when they say "The game isn't cannon."?

Snowtron wrote:what the hell is every one talking about when they say "The game isn't cannon."?

Canon is a fanboy idea that there is an "official" story and series of events, established by the publisher, writers, producers, or artists for the official product of the movie, book, whatever the medium is.


For example, let's take the Star Wars books. Star Wars canon says that Han Solo and Leia fell in love. The books say that they were married and had twin children, and later, another kid. George Lucas rejects this. It is not considered canon because the books were not part of what George Lucas originally created. Episodes 1, 2 and 3, along with the original movies, 4, 5, and 6, are considered canon. The books are supplementary materials. They aren't canon.

Another example would be Transformers. The cartoons, despite the fact that there are many different ones, are considered "canon". They are the established transformer stories. The 1986 movie is canon. The 2007 movie is canon. But the game is just a side project, an extra little thing. It's not canon. Neither would fan fiction be considered canon. The comics are canon.


I think canon is stupid. After all, why not consider the game canon? Why not consider the Star Wars books canon? They're stories just like anything else, aren't they?

Canon is an arbitary concept. It's selective. Who says one version of something is canon, and the other is not? Who says RiD doesn't take place right after G1? There are conflicting story elements? So what. Make up a reason why. They're toys after all.

A case in point is the way I think of the Headmasters in G1. I hate how the Headmasters are robots that are "binary bonded" to an organic person, so they are two personalities in one head. And what happens to the TF's personality when the person is not in head mode? He talks to him through the car radio? That's lame. Where's his brain, in his ass?

So I just imagine it isn't that way. In my version, which is not canon since I thought of it, there are no TF personalities. The headmasters are just people in exosuits that can combine with robot bodies. Fort Max is just a human being named Spike Witwicky. That's it. Prior to that he was Galen from Nebulan, and that's where you got the weary and sick of war personality. That does get rid of some fun character interactions where they are at odds with each other, but I don't mind. My way is simpler and more elegant.

See what I mean? Screw canon.

What about Batman and Batman Begins? In Batman, it was a young Jack Napier who killed Bruce's parents. In Batman Begins it was some guy named Joe Chill. Yet both are considered canon. It's lame.

Do you see what I mean when I say that canon is stupid? Stories are stories. There's no reason to act like one is the official word of God and the other is just stupid bullshit.

I guess people would say something is no longer canon if it conflicts with the first version. The game is not exactly like the movie, so it's not canon, they say. But as I've just proved, neither are the different shows, or the comics, or the movie from the shows and comics. Even established canon is conflicting.

Stories are stories and that's that. The hell with canon.

Snowtron wrote:I dont know if he was good enough to be in the movie his robot mode is a bit boring and if he was do you think he would be a triple changer and what the hell is every one talking about when they say "The game isn't cannon."?

As in the game is it's own continuity.
The movie & the game are different continuity's just as Armada & G1 are different continuity's.

To prove my point, in the game there are lots of drones, & they are part of a secondary storyline (in the PSP version anyway), in the movie they do not appear. In the game Trailbreaker, Hound & other autobots are on earth & have contact with the other Autobots, in the movie Prime believes his team of BB, Jazz, Ironhide & Ratchet to be the last surviving autobots. A lesser point but still one of note, the missions are quite different to what happens in the movie, for instance Scorpie doesn't attack a load of trucks, he goes for the lone survivors traveling on foot. The personalitys are slightly different, for example in the Wii version, & possibly others, Prime orders Jazz to blow up some buildings to cause a distraction... Movie Prime never showed any willing to risk humans lives for his own safety.

Is that enough or should I go on???

Justicity wrote:

Snowtron wrote:I dont know if he was good enough to be in the movie his robot mode is a bit boring and if he was do you think he would be a triple changer and what the hell is every one talking about when they say "The game isn't cannon."?

As in the game is it's own continuity.
The movie & the game are different continuity's just as Armada & G1 are different continuity's.

To prove my point, in the game there are lots of drones, & they are part of a secondary storyline (in the PSP version anyway), in the movie they do not appear. In the game Trailbreaker, Hound & other autobots are on earth & have contact with the other Autobots, in the movie Prime believes his team of BB, Jazz, Ironhide & Ratchet to be the last surviving autobots. A lesser point but still one of note, the missions are quite different to what happens in the movie, for instance Scorpie doesn't attack a load of trucks, he goes for the lone survivors traveling on foot. The personalitys are slightly different, for example in the Wii version, & possibly others, Prime orders Jazz to blow up some buildings to cause a distraction... Movie Prime never showed any willing to risk humans lives for his own safety.

Is that enough or should I go on???

Continuity is another thing I don't really like, but it's a gray area. Stories are stories like I said. Different stories that tell different events about the same characters are just that: different stories. Why does there have to be a "different continuity".

But like I said, it's a gray area. Maybe that's the definition of continuity, I don't know.

What really gets my goat though, is when people say each continuity is an alternate universe. That's really stupid because it's an unnecessary stretch. Why can't they just be different versions of the same thing? I guess some poeple like to imagine G1 Prime meeting his movie self or something like that, but that's just so out there and overblown.

Dark Zarak wrote:

Snowtron wrote:what the hell is every one talking about when they say "The game isn't cannon."?

Canon is a fanboy idea that there is an "official" story and series of events, established by the publisher, writers, producers, or artists for the official product of the movie, book, whatever the medium is.


For example, let's take the Star Wars books. Star Wars canon says that Han Solo and Leia fell in love. The books say that they were married and had twin children, and later, another kid. George Lucas rejects this. It is not considered canon because the books were not part of what George Lucas originally created. Episodes 1, 2 and 3, along with the original movies, 4, 5, and 6, are considered canon. The books are supplementary materials. They aren't canon.

Another example would be Transformers. The cartoons, despite the fact that there are many different ones, are considered "canon". They are the established transformer stories. The 1986 movie is canon. The 2007 movie is canon. But the game is just a side project, an extra little thing. It's not canon. Neither would fan fiction be considered canon. The comics are canon.


I think canon is stupid. After all, why not consider the game canon? Why not consider the Star Wars books canon? They're stories just like anything else, aren't they?

Canon is an arbitary concept. It's selective. Who says one version of something is canon, and the other is not? Who says RiD doesn't take place right after G1? There are conflicting story elements? So what. Make up a reason why. They're toys after all.

What about Batman and Batman Begins? In Batman, it was a young Jack Napier who killed Bruce's parents. In Batman Begins it was some guy named Joe Chill. Yet both are considered canon. It's lame.

Do you see what I mean when I say that canon is stupid? Stories are stories. There's no reason to act like one is the official word of God and the other is just stupid bullshit.

I guess people would say something is no longer canon if it conflicts with the first version. The game is not exactly like the movie, so it's not canon, they say. But as I've just proved, neither are the different shows, or the comics, or the movie from the shows and comics. Even established canon is conflicting.

Stories are stories and that's that. The hell with canon.

Ok.... wow you really got emotional there... don't... don't like let it get to you... it's a discussion.... geez....


Anyway, in response:

Point 1: Most of the SW fans I know consider most of the books cannon, practically mooting your point.

Point 2: Transformers in not one big continuity with one cannon, theres the G1/Beast Era continuity with the comics, tv shows, movies, etc all considered cannon, but with extra bits, such as the non-show Beast Wars figures who were not considered cannon untill they were introduced in The Gathering.
There is the RiD continuity, with what happens in the show being cannon, extra toy characters not shown in the show non-cannon.
There is the Unicron Trilogy continuity, which I don't know enough about to argue.
And finally (unless I've forgotten something) there is the movie continuity with the movie being cannon along with the prequel comics & novel, while the game and the comic & book adaptations being non-cannon as they show different versions of the same story, with enough minor differences to make the continuity questionable if cannon.

Point 3: RiD cannot come in the same continuity as G1 because it just doesn't make sense. Hell, Magnus had his OWN Matrix, how does that work with the G1 continuity of there being one Matrix, passed down the Primes?

Point 4: I'm no Batman expert but I believe, like TF's, Batman has different continuity's. each comic series, each movie series (of which Begins has its own series), each TV series is it's own continuity. Again I must say I am NOT a Batman expert so I could be wrong.

Point 5: You need to realize, when talking about something like Transformers where there are many continuity's, there are also many different canons, one for each continuity in fact. Just because RiD, G1, Beast Wars, Armada, & the movie are all called TRANSFORMERS doesn't mean they are the same thing.

Hope you take this like a person should in a discussion & don't return to you're "The hell with continuity" pattern of speech displayed in your last post. Remember other people are allowed opinions too

Dark Zarak wrote:

Justicity wrote:

Snowtron wrote:I dont know if he was good enough to be in the movie his robot mode is a bit boring and if he was do you think he would be a triple changer and what the hell is every one talking about when they say "The game isn't cannon."?

As in the game is it's own continuity.
The movie & the game are different continuity's just as Armada & G1 are different continuity's.

To prove my point, in the game there are lots of drones, & they are part of a secondary storyline (in the PSP version anyway), in the movie they do not appear. In the game Trailbreaker, Hound & other autobots are on earth & have contact with the other Autobots, in the movie Prime believes his team of BB, Jazz, Ironhide & Ratchet to be the last surviving autobots. A lesser point but still one of note, the missions are quite different to what happens in the movie, for instance Scorpie doesn't attack a load of trucks, he goes for the lone survivors traveling on foot. The personalitys are slightly different, for example in the Wii version, & possibly others, Prime orders Jazz to blow up some buildings to cause a distraction... Movie Prime never showed any willing to risk humans lives for his own safety.

Is that enough or should I go on???

Continuity is another thing I don't really like, but it's a gray area. Stories are stories like I said. Different stories that tell different events about the same characters are just that: different stories. Why does there have to be a "different continuity".

But like I said, it's a gray area. Maybe that's the definition of continuity, I don't know.

What really gets my goat though, is when people say each continuity is an alternate universe. That's really stupid because it's an unnecessary stretch. Why can't they just be different versions of the same thing? I guess some poeple like to imagine G1 Prime meeting his movie self or something like that, but that's just so out there and overblown.

I may just be taking this the wrong way but are you pointing that last paragraph at me???
I have never said anything about alternate universes. To be honest I find that a pointless idea too. However I can at least see the logic behind arguing it, It's just a way for someone to easily explain the same characters doing completely different things. It's like when in Pokémon games, each new gen of game has a new hero, yet whatever name he/she has, it's always just another version of Ash, & they just use a new face to justify Ash doing exactly the same as he did in the last game.

I dont think he's calling you out, rather quoting you as a reference so that someone would understand the flow and where it came from.

so with all of the scope faced transformer toys and Shockwaves game appearence, I'm guessing he won't be in the sequel?

yes... and? so he's a triple changer, now that he's in the game he's not gonna be in the sequel!

You can play as him in the DS too. Only h's a 'copter. But it's him.

Justicity, I didn't mean to be emotional, sorry. That's my posting style. It's tongue in cheek. It's my sense of humor. Sometimes it doesn't come across so well, so I apologize if I seemed upset.

And no, nothing was addressed directly at you. I actually saw that alternate universe thing on a Casino Royale thread on IMDB, but I've seen it on here as well.

Justicity wrote:Point 1: Most of the SW fans I know consider most of the books cannon, practically mooting your point.

No, actually it supports my point. Lucas himself denies they are canon, and yet so many fans don't. That shows how relative the notion of canon actually is, and hence why it's silly.

Justicity wrote:Point 2: Transformers in not one big continuity with one cannon, theres the G1/Beast Era continuity with the comics, tv shows, movies, etc all considered cannon, but with extra bits, such as the non-show Beast Wars figures who were not considered cannon untill they were introduced in The Gathering.
There is the RiD continuity, with what happens in the show being cannon, extra toy characters not shown in the show non-cannon.
There is the Unicron Trilogy continuity, which I don't know enough about to argue.
And finally (unless I've forgotten something) there is the movie continuity with the movie being cannon along with the prequel comics & novel, while the game and the comic & book adaptations being non-cannon as they show different versions of the same story, with enough minor differences to make the continuity questionable if cannon.

Well, like I said as well, I don't like continuity either. I'm a writer and think of things from a story-telling perspective. The inconsistencies don't matter because they are just a different way of telling the same story.

Justicity wrote:Point 3: RiD cannot come in the same continuity as G1 because it just doesn't make sense. Hell, Magnus had his OWN Matrix, how does that work with the G1 continuity of there being one Matrix, passed down the Primes?

Sure it can. It's all about imagination. First off, I love the characters, but the show was stupid. It was childish and the last thing I want to do is accept its exact events as any kind of official doctrine. Therefore, that leaves the door open for other things as well. For instance, let's say RiD takes place in 2015. Not so hard, right? Think of RiD as G3. Same goes for the Unicron Trilogy. Think of all that as G4. As for the new movie, I don't try to fit that in at all because, again, it's just a different way of telling the same story. Different people's ideas, in my mind, don't equal different realities.

I know it's out of left field for a lot of people, but I'm 27 years old, I haven't bought a TF figure in years, and the ones I have are currently boxed up, but I'll probably bust them out when I start taking CG modeling classes. I don't care for any of the cartoons, and only the original G1 comics appeal to me. But I love the characters, and I love the concepts. Honestly, the idea of me following canons and continuities is silly. I'm a writer. Even though I haven't written it down, I've got a whole saga of TF's in my head that only loosely follows canon.

I guess that's why I got a little emotional. I guess it's kind of depressing to me that people would just follow what's been given to them so readily.

Justicity wrote:Point 4: I'm no Batman expert but I believe, like TF's, Batman has different continuity's. each comic series, each movie series (of which Begins has its own series), each TV series is it's own continuity. Again I must say I am NOT a Batman expert so I could be wrong.

No, you're right, but see above.

Justicity wrote:Point 5: You need to realize, when talking about something like Transformers where there are many continuity's, there are also many different canons, one for each continuity in fact. Just because RiD, G1, Beast Wars, Armada, & the movie are all called TRANSFORMERS doesn't mean they are the same thing.

See above.

Justicity wrote:Hope you take this like a person should in a discussion & don't return to you're "The hell with continuity" pattern of speech displayed in your last post. Remember other people are allowed opinions too

Again, sorry if I got away with myself. When I say "to hell with it" it's usually in a joking manner. I post like I talk so I guess it would make more sense if you met me in person.