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Bay's interpretation of Autobot meaning is wrong.

Autobot = Autonomous Robots.

This will mean the entire Cybertronian race. Megatron and all.

But the word "Autobot" does not represent an entire race. It's just the name of a single faction.

It's like we're all Human or Earthlings. As analogous to Cybertronian or Transformers.

And there's several different human races. Such as Caucasians, Orientals, etc. Or we can also say, there's several different nations. Such Americans, Chinese, Indians, etc. As analogous to Autobots and Decepticons.

Bay got something wrong? Shock, Horror!

Yours AK

Autobots: Autonomous Alien Robotic Organisms from The Planet Cybertron

Actually, it is dead on. Even in the comics and such, Before Megatron created the Decepticon faction, all Cybertronians were considered Autobots. They're the "default" element of the Cybertronian society. This is mentioned on page 3 of MtMtE #8.

Tramp wrote:Actually, it is dead on. Even in the comics and such, Before Megatron created the Decepticon faction, all Cybertronians were considered Autobots. They're the "default" element of the Cybertronian society. This is mentioned on page 3 of MtMtE #8.

Re-he-ealy...do you remember when MTMTE didn't exist? I do and seeing as Dreamwave went under screwing several revered TF artist and writers over in the process the Dreamwave continuity is null and void and no longer considered canon.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:Actually, it is dead on. Even in the comics and such, Before Megatron created the Decepticon faction, all Cybertronians were considered Autobots. They're the "default" element of the Cybertronian society. This is mentioned on page 3 of MtMtE #8.

Re-he-ealy...do you remember when MTMTE didn't exist? I do and seeing as Dreamwave went under screwing several revered TF artist and writers over in the process the Dreamwave continuity is null and void and no longer considered canon.

Yours AK

By that reasoning, the original cartoon and Marvel comics would also be null and void and not considered canon. Your logic is flawed. MY point is that the term Autobot refering to Autonomous Robotic Organisms is a very accurate going by canon. It isn't an incorrect interpretation.

Tramp wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:Actually, it is dead on. Even in the comics and such, Before Megatron created the Decepticon faction, all Cybertronians were considered Autobots. They're the "default" element of the Cybertronian society. This is mentioned on page 3 of MtMtE #8.

Re-he-ealy...do you remember when MTMTE didn't exist? I do and seeing as Dreamwave went under screwing several revered TF artist and writers over in the process the Dreamwave continuity is null and void and no longer considered canon.

Yours AK

By that reasoning, the original cartoon and Marvel comics would also be null and void and not considered canon. Your logic is flawed. MY point is that the term Autobot refering to Autonomous Robotic Organisms is a very accurate going by canon. It isn't an incorrect interpretation.

I think what I'm saying is you can dredge up 'proof' for any half baked concept within Transformers mythology, fact G1 continuity has diluted by so many different reboots of and rewrites that is silly to try an claim any of it is gospel.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:Bay got something wrong? Shock, Horror!

Yours AK

ya think so

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:Actually, it is dead on. Even in the comics and such, Before Megatron created the Decepticon faction, all Cybertronians were considered Autobots. They're the "default" element of the Cybertronian society. This is mentioned on page 3 of MtMtE #8.

Re-he-ealy...do you remember when MTMTE didn't exist? I do and seeing as Dreamwave went under screwing several revered TF artist and writers over in the process the Dreamwave continuity is null and void and no longer considered canon.

Yours AK

By that reasoning, the original cartoon and Marvel comics would also be null and void and not considered canon. Your logic is flawed. MY point is that the term Autobot refering to Autonomous Robotic Organisms is a very accurate going by canon. It isn't an incorrect interpretation.

I think what I'm saying is you can dredge up 'proof' for any half baked concept within Transformers mythology, fact G1 continuity has diluted by so many different reboots of and rewrites that is silly to try an claim any of it is gospel.

Yours AK

Comparing the movie to G1 is stupid anyway

Since its not

Original Sin wrote:
Comparing the movie to G1 is stupid anyway

Since its not

Exactly!

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Tramp wrote:Actually, it is dead on. Even in the comics and such, Before Megatron created the Decepticon faction, all Cybertronians were considered Autobots. They're the "default" element of the Cybertronian society. This is mentioned on page 3 of MtMtE #8.

Re-he-ealy...do you remember when MTMTE didn't exist? I do and seeing as Dreamwave went under screwing several revered TF artist and writers over in the process the Dreamwave continuity is null and void and no longer considered canon.

Yours AK

By that reasoning, the original cartoon and Marvel comics would also be null and void and not considered canon. Your logic is flawed. MY point is that the term Autobot refering to Autonomous Robotic Organisms is a very accurate going by canon. It isn't an incorrect interpretation.

I think what I'm saying is you can dredge up 'proof' for any half baked concept within Transformers mythology, fact G1 continuity has diluted by so many different reboots of and rewrites that is silly to try an claim any of it is gospel.

Yours AK

So nothing is. "Canon" is just a bunch of nerds arguing while trying to make a single coherent story out of the plot holes, inconsistent storyline, bad backstory, and constant rehashes of a franchise, so why try to take one piece of 'canon' that's pumped out like it's better than the other?

Hows about people worry about more important things for once...like err...i dunno....YOUR REAL LIVES

ummm technically they said "WE" as in the group of robots standing in front of Sam and Mikaela. not ALL of the robots...

For the love of Primus. If you're going to bicker that the Auto in Autobots is not short for "Autonomous," what does it mean then?

Not automobile, considering there are a hell of a lot of Autobots who are anything but.

In the movie continuity, as suggested in the movie prequel comic, Cybertron is the home planet of the Autobots, not the Cybertronians, nor the Transformers. Optimus refers to them as Transformers more like an alias to explain what it is they do.
They were all Autobots, however Megatron created a faction called the Decepticons & he & his group now no longer refer to themselves as Autobots, though they once were.

Easy enough to understand?

The analogy is much like this one.
The Autobots are like the Palestinians in Palestine, while the Decepticons are like the Israelis in Palestine.

The Autobots owned the planet Cybetron in the first place, so they are the native of the planet. However, the Decepticons appear later as a single faction more sophisticated and aggressive than the Autobots. They are trying to gain control of the planet, driving the Autobots out.

prowl24 wrote:The analogy is much like this one.
The Autobots are like the Palestinians in Palestine, while the Decepticons are like the Israelis in Palestine.

The Autobots owned the planet Cybetron in the first place, so they are the native of the planet. However, the Decepticons appear later as a single faction more sophisticated and aggressive than the Autobots. They are trying to gain control of the planet, driving the Autobots out.

But we're talking about Autobots as specie here. If you want to apply the Autonomous Robots nomenclature.

If you compare Autobots to Palestinians, or make an analogy to Palestinians, you're speaking of Autobots in terms of a nation or faction. Not the entire species.

It's like if you are a Human, or Homo Sapiens, and you're an American, would you call yourself Homo Erectus or Homo X-men when America is successfully invaded and ruled by the British Empire?

Of course you remain a Homo Sapiens, but becomes a British or Commonwealth citizen.

I don't think Megatron will ever recognize himself as an Autobot. Because Autobot is a faction, not the entire species. But he knows he's a Cybertronian or Transformers. On the Decepticon side.

Justicity wrote:In the movie continuity, as suggested in the movie prequel comic, Cybertron is the home planet of the Autobots, not the Cybertronians, nor the Transformers. Optimus refers to them as Transformers more like an alias to explain what it is they do.
They were all Autobots, however Megatron created a faction called the Decepticons & he & his group now no longer refer to themselves as Autobots, though they once were.

Easy enough to understand?

Exactly, I remember that in the prequel too.
Reading the prequel now, it doesn't say "Autobot" at any point, but it doesn't say "Cybertronian" either. But as Prime called them Autobots that could either mean, they were ALL Autobots, or Prime made his own faction to combat the Decepticons. We don't actually know. One thing that is stated very clearly is that Prime and Megatron were on the same side originally.
The fact that the movie is a different storyline from G1 or anything previous, means it isn't "wrong" it's just different.

Actually, Bay did get it wrong. They can't be organisms if they aren't organic. They're Autonomous robnots, like Auto Bot said.

Sonray wrote:Hows about people worry about more important things for once...like err...i dunno....YOUR REAL LIVES

Hey now! That's rather uncalled for. Where's the love?


I consider the movie to be a completely different continuity then any other Transformers show. So as far as it matters to me, it's all okay.

Damolisher wrote:Actually, Bay did get it wrong. They can't be organisms if they aren't organic. They're Autonomous robnots, like Auto Bot said.

All "organism" means is life form. Whether or not they're organic is irrelevant. Therefore, they are indeed organisms.

Don't start that highlighting BS, and stop correcting others on things they're right about. Why would you call an inorganic lifeform and organism? Organism= Organic, mechanism= mechanical. Seriously buy a dictionary, and stop trying to correct everyone when they disagree with you or say you're wrong. For someone who claims they know what a robot is, you sure love proving otherwise.

Webster's Unabridged Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Englishe Language definition of organism is as follows:

1. A form of life consisting of mutually dependent parts that maintainvarious vital processes. 2. ,any form of animal or plant life. 3. any organized body conceived of as analogous to a living being.

Need I go on? No where does it say that it is an organic life form. Therefore, you are not right. you are in error. Prime's statemet of Automomous robotic organisms is completely accurate.

It says animal or plant, not machine. Can you go 5 seconds without trying to correct someone on something they know about? It isn't completely accurate, troll. Why would you call a creature who ISN'T BIOLOGICAL AN ORGANISM. A TRANSFORMER IS A MACHINE. It classifies as a machine, not an organism. A TRANSFORMER IS A MECHANISM.

But then again, what do I know? After all, Tramp, you're always right, regardless of how many people you have telling you you're wrong.

Damolisher wrote:It says animal or plant, not machine. Can you go 5 seconds without trying to correct someone on something they know about? It isn't completely accurate, troll. Why would you call a creature who ISN'T BIOLOGICAL AN ORGANISM. A TRANSFORMER IS A MACHINE. It classifies as a machine, not an organism. A TRANSFORMER IS A MECHANISM.

But then again, what do I know? After all, Tramp, you're always right, regardless of how many people you have telling you you're wrong.

By canon, and as established in the movie, they are organisms. Did you read the other two definitions? Read them again 1. A form of life consisting of mutually dependent parts that maintain various vital processes., 3. any organized body conceived of as analogous to a living being. That is the primary definiton. Even the second definition does not mention carbon based organics as defining something as an organism. Being organic has nothing to do with it. By definition, the Transformers meet both the first and third definition, and, technically, they meet the second as well even though they are not organic. No where does the definition say an orgainic entity. This was taken directly from a dictionary word for word.

You, and only you, are using being organic as defining of an organism, and that is not true.