Due to confusion with continuities and series, I've added a disclaimer to my long-winded posts.... for the few who may read these in the future:
Disclaimer:I probably should have clarified that my theories/posts
do not refer to previous Transformers fandom, especially G1. It's a kiddy cartoon show created by a company that wanted to sell toys. The aren't out to create some sort of in-depth psychoanalytical television program. Since little kids can relate to the concept of separate males and females then the show would represent that because, quite frankly, it's the easiest thing to do.... or they just didn't want to be so creative.
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Ha ha. Have fun reading this!!
Mattamus Prime wrote:I'm not necessarily opposed to Arcee.... and obviously the people doing TF #1 didn't either. Supposedly she almost made it into the film right????
- Apparently they wrote her into the script at one point, but the fans were not to keen on the idea so they took her out and replaced her with Ironhide. Personally, I think that was a good move and I like how Ironhide's character appeared on screen anyways. It was a good choice.
Tazirai, I really do like the story concepts that you are coming up with. I think it shows that "female" type transformers could be possible. It also shows that
what is going on in the Transformers universe is a uniquely and completely different concept than what has previously been seen in other realms of science fiction and fantasy.
I think the major problem going on here is that people can't decide how, or if, they/we want Transformers to be able to develop the kind of attachments that are so prevalent in biological humanoid species. As humans in real life we naturally develop feelings of attachment in order to find mates.
It's not a coincidence that predominantly all science fiction/fantasy species are humanoid beings with similar human characteristics. People write with what they know and it makes sense that biological species similar to humans would find ways to create some form of attachment to find mates. Granted, with these fictionalized alien species different cultures are created so the way these aliens species form relationships may be vastly different, but
the idea is the same:
in the end, they form an attachment.
Okay, granted, there are some exceptions to the rule and the most common is through the course of asexual reproduction. Sadly, the only example I come up with is the namek alien species in Dragonball Z where every individual is of one gender that took on male qualities. (They somehow created offspring by coughing up an egg.) However, this concept is not a completely alien one to us because
there are oragnisms that asexually reproduce on our planet.
So for the most part, or from what I know, anything that we have seen created so far is based on two forms of reproduction that we have in our cultures. We can easily recognize this concept so that is why it is always present.
Then came Transformers....I could be wrong here, so if anyone has input on this PLEASE LET ME KNOW, but as far as I know Transformers is the first major example of an entire race of beings that are not actual biological beings. What we have here is a
completely new concept in the fantasy realm, a radically new idea that, in turn, needs a radical new approach to some of the current standards.
If we accept this as fact then we must accept that
normal ideas/concepts that are standard for biological beings will NOT be normal for an alien species that is NOT biological in nature. How does this idea relate to transformers?
Take our current issue at hand. It is pretty much accepted amongst the Transformers community that our beloved cybertronians do not reproduce like biological beings. To put it bluntly:
NO SEX. Or, at least not in the way that we humans would understand it. In any case if you can accept this than you can accept the fact then there is no need for different transformers to develop deep relationships or feelings for one another because there would not be two distinctly different genders.
"But then doesn't that mean that there would be no fem bots?"
"Yes and no. If there are no distinct genders then, yes, in transformers lore there are no females but then that also means that there are no males in Transformers culture. Due to this lack of distinction then that means that individual transformers can look and act in distinctive manners without being labeled as a male or female because this concept does not exist in transformers culture.
With no genders to differentiate then any variations in colors, voice, mannerisms, size, etc would just be considered a unique trait of that transformer. So, for instance, if we humans saw an autobot with a pastel color and a high voice we might label as a female, but fellow autobots and decepticons would not because there is no such concept in their genderless culture.
Or there is another concept, that which Tazirai came up with.
In his posts he came up with the idea that Transformers could change their voice (and possibly mannerisms?) in order to better communicate with the new species, humans, that they are now living with. So the transformer Arcee comes to the conclusion that since "female humans" seem to communicate better then their "male human" counter parts then, as a communications officer, she would reflect that notion when coming to live and interact on Earth. At least, that is what I got out of it. Man, I can hear the fan boys cry foul on that one.
I don't know why I discuss this. I don't think Micheal Bay has the creative cognitive faculties to incorporate such an idea.... but it's fun none the less.
Arcee for Transformers 2!!! Woooot!!
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:52 pm
