The Energon Pub

yesterday while i was trolling around target looking for a rotf sighting I noticed they had the official movie adaptation trade paperback, I really have tried to avoid all spoilers because, well... I hate spoilers! So i flipped through it and saw that once megatron is revived he axes starscream and becomes subservient to the fallen (sigh...even calling him Master). I know frank welker g1 megatron would never of done that if only to save his own tail

Check my recent post for the pictures, Wheelie seems pretty cool!

Megatron being subservient to anyone just rubs me the wrong way SO bad...

Night Raid wrote:Megatron being subservient to anyone just rubs me the wrong way SO bad...

Amen.....remember that conversation with unicron.....I booooooowwww to NoooooBooooody!

SamYarbrough77 wrote:

Night Raid wrote:Megatron being subservient to anyone just rubs me the wrong way SO bad...

Amen.....remember that conversation with unicron.....I booooooowwww to NoooooBooooody!

And, if you recall, he learned two seconds later that there are some people you simply can't say that to.

Shadowman wrote:

SamYarbrough77 wrote:

Night Raid wrote:Megatron being subservient to anyone just rubs me the wrong way SO bad...

Amen.....remember that conversation with unicron.....I booooooowwww to NoooooBooooody!

And, if you recall, he learned two seconds later that there are some people you simply can't say that to.

That didn't stop him (as Galvatron) from trying to backstab Unicron with the Matrix.

Unless you have seen the movie or read the script you have no idea what to expect. He might just do the same with the Fallen. Let everything unfold before you get all bent out of shape.

Night Raid wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

SamYarbrough77 wrote:

Night Raid wrote:Megatron being subservient to anyone just rubs me the wrong way SO bad...

Amen.....remember that conversation with unicron.....I booooooowwww to NoooooBooooody!

And, if you recall, he learned two seconds later that there are some people you simply can't say that to.

That didn't stop him (as Galvatron) from trying to backstab Unicron with the Matrix.

Yes it did. When Galvatron tried, and failed, to kill Unicron with the Matrix, Unicron punished him by literally laying a smack-down on Cybertron. And any time Galvatron showed dissent, Unicron used his psychic attack until Galvatron fell back in line.

What I mean is that Megatron may be subservient to The Fallen, but as far as I know, he's not happy about it. Or he's showing the Fallen respect as what I assume is the "First Decepticon."

Maybe in the interest of self preservation

Oh MAN! Did you say Starscream gets it?

Called it.

HK, prescient.

The pics made it look more like Megatron gave Starscream a concussion.

Starscream: "Not in the face! Not in the face!"

*gets punched in the lug nuts*

*high-pitched squeaky helium voice* "Thanks... I think..." *falls over*

Night Raid wrote:The pics made it look more like Megatron gave Starscream a concussion.

Starscream: "Not in the face! Not in the face!"

*gets punched in the lug nuts*

*high-pitched squeaky helium voice* "Thanks... I think..." *falls over*

Oh, *that* I can deal with. Either one, actually.

Robert Orci: if you bumped off Starscream in this movie, I swear from here to Cybertron that I will hunt you down, find you, and then cry all over you. I will waterboard you with my tears. And snot. And related excresences. I will lock you in a room with cats and take away your Claritin. I will make you drink nothing but Vanilla Coke for a year.

I will make you grade Freshman Composition papers. (No! Too far! Call the CIA!)

(Note to mods: these are not actual threats. In truth, I probably will cry. But that's about it.)

HK. I've got my teary little eyes on you, Orci.

*begins to sweat* Trying....to resist...buying the...book.
Must...wait...for...movie...

hellkitty wrote:Robert Orci: if you bumped off Starscream in this movie, I swear from here to Cybertron that I will hunt you down, find you, and then cry all over you.

Starscream dies all the time. In fact, I'd go so far as to say he's never NOT died. He's died in every series he's been in.

That makes him pretty damn special. Even death can't beat the Pure Awesomeness of The would Be Fan Favorite Leader SS

SamYarbrough77 wrote:That makes him pretty damn special. Even death can't beat the Pure Awesomeness of The would Be Fan Favorite Leader SS

It would be...if the same thing wasn't also a characteristic of Optimus Prime/Primal.

cliche archetype story telling? nah cant be. beast wars was real good at tymes like a soap opera. too bad the show has not aged well. when I got back into recollecting in late 01 I got what was then the deluxe universe re release of optimus primal...I had a real tough tyme rotating his upper torso...such frustration

Now that I think about it, any series where Starscream dies, so does Optimus, with the exception of Energon, where Prime didn't die, and Beast Wars, where Starscream was, more or less, already dead, and Beast Machines, which did not have Starscream. Oddly enough, in Beast Wars, Optimus technically died twice, first as Primal, then his G1 counterpart.

I remember some Clerk at gamestop getting into a very real heated argument about the beast wars time canon. was it before the G1 ark crash or after. They changed the story arc right? Which Prime Looked like a power ranger??? rid? awful.

SamYarbrough77 wrote:I remember some Clerk at gamestop getting into a very real heated argument about the beast wars time canon. was it before the G1 ark crash or after.

It was after the Ark crashed, they found it in a mountain, they made a base out of it.

But the series itself, technically, is both. The characters are from 300 after G1, the setting is several millenia before, though an exact date is never given.

SamYarbrough77 wrote:They changed the story arc right?

You mean the "It was Earth all along" deal? They sort of did. At first it was a different continuity, the planet even had two moons. They included Starscream, "Unicron," Ravage, Megatron, etc. as a gift to the fans. Then they dropped the second moon. By Season 2, they revealed it was Earth all along, and included the Ark.

SamYarbrough77 wrote:Which Prime Looked like a power ranger??? rid? awful.

That was Energon, considered one of the worst series in TF.

Shadowman wrote:
Starscream dies all the time. In fact, I'd go so far as to say he's never NOT died. He's died in every series he's been in.

And I have cried every time! Even during the rather disappointing TFA finale when he died.

Also, every 15 April, I have to pay taxes. That ALSO happens all the time. Doesn't mean I have to like it or that I wish something different would happen, just for once. But one can't blame the IRS for lacking creativity and originality--that's really their definition, in a way.

One CAN blame writers.

For a trilogy, this movie should have the darkest ending, with the largest number of scary bad guys alive and menacing at the end. That would argue that Starscream--who is big and scary-fast and deliciously lethal--might still be useful to Megsy. *If* it's a trilogy.

If it's part of the canon-lore that every continuity, Starscream has to get it, well, that really goes against the modern notion of liking things that are 'original' and 'new' and 'different' doesn't it? The need to have basically the very same story told in slightly different ways--that's actually pretty *medieval*. Arthur gets killed by Modred. Christians beat up evil Saracens. Lancelot boinks the queen.

And Starscream gets killed by Megatron.

Nice, but not very 'modern'. I thought we were all 'hope and change' now, right? Can't I *hope* for a *change*?

HK, cheeky.

hellkitty wrote:If it's part of the canon-lore that every continuity, Starscream has to get it, well, that really goes against the modern notion of liking things that are 'original' and 'new' and 'different' doesn't it?

You haven't been on the boards long enough to know this, but before the last movie came out, "different" turned this part of the boards into an all-out battle zone. People do not react well to "different."

Ah do recall such, Shadowmay-an. (Southron accent with batting eyelashes). (I lurk like a big dark ugly lurky thing).

I just thought that my boy Starscream could be the exception to such conservatism. Perhaps we'd, say, gotten that knee-jerk hatred of the new and the different (while still, oddly enough, wanting new) out of our systems. I think many of us have finally come to some grips with the Bayverse in relation to the other 'verses.

I mean, if we can bump off Jazz (who doesn't normally die) in the Bay movie, and bump off Prowl (who also doesn't, as far as I know but I could be wrong, normally die either) in TFA, maybe we could make a similar change and NOT kill Starscream? The Starscream Fangirls would appreciate it tres beaucoup.

Pander to the Starscream Harem!

HK, I have a migraine, does it show?

hellkitty wrote:The Starscream Fangirls would appreciate it tres beaucoup.

Pander to the Starscream Harem!

Starscream fangirls are something that's always confused me. We're talking about Starscream, an arrogant, whiny, stuck-up, wannabe leader who immediately attempts to start coups when Megatron shows the slightest weakness, but never follows through, and if he does, he either gets his ass kicked or begins begging for mercy. We're talking about all the worst personality traits you could ever have. Where's the appeal? The only real argument is that he shows Megatron up because he wants attention or approval, but that's impossible because nothing of the sort has ever been even the slightest bit implied. Even in the movie, he wastes no time throwing Megatron overboard and assuming control of the Decepticons. And I assure you that if he attempted that when Megatron WASN'T mortally wounded, he would have been grovelling or dead in seconds.

He questions authority, thats what makes him so damn awesome. How many of us have felt that way?? He is easy to connect to