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I guess these are 2 important characters in Autobots, why they dont include them even in the 2nd movie?

Not enough time and money is my guess. If you think about it if they added every Autobot that people like and every Decepticon that people like the movie would go on forever. They probably just took the most popular bots and most movie marketable bots and put them on there. Personally I didnt like UM or Hot Rod.

I think popular character is only bumble bee (except optimus of course) in their selection... I think they most of the time select vehicles first and find a name for it, rather than says who they want before choosing a alternate mode

Actually for autobots they hit my favorites right on. I wouldnt of minded having the Dinobots. Though in live action non-cartonish movies, dinobots would almost seem kinda lame. Kinda hard to blend in as a couple of dinosaurs.

Peronally I don't want to see them in the movies. I think they have a great blend of TFs right now. Maybe in the 3rd Ultra Magnus can show up with reinforcements something like that. I'd rather see some more combiner teams or Omega Supreme come in with a better personality.

Optimus Prime007 wrote:Peronally I don't want to see them in the movies. I think they have a great blend of TFs right now. Maybe in the 3rd Ultra Magnus can show up with reinforcements something like that. I'd rather see some more combiner teams or Omega Supreme come in with a better personality.

OMEGA SUPREME!!!!!

Bay was considering an aircraft carrier, I don't see why not....

I could care less about Ultra magnus, but I would love to see Hot Rod as Bumblebee's twin. As a red Camaro with yellow flames on it. Cool.

Also, I don't really care about all the Dinobots, but at least have Grimlock, if not as a T-Rex then as his Alternator Mustang form. That would be sweet.

Theres going be 40 named bots, so its entirely possible we do see them they just have a limited role. Theres going be 60 bots total, and the list of headliners didnt include the entire 20 per a side.

For auotbots we have
- Returning
1. Prime
2. Bumble bee
3. Ironhide
4. rachet (poor jazz )
- New
5. Skids
6. Mudflap (the twins)
7. Arcee
8. Jolt
10. Sideswipe
11 Jetfire

So that still leaves another 9 named bots for the autobots if the numbers are fairly even. granted of them are likely arcees other two partners she combines with, but theres still room for Ultra magnus and Hot rod be part of the roster as the autobots need a second in command with Jazz killed. I'd venture guess prowl will be amoung the new bots as well.

So dont count them out till the movie credits roll as we dont know who or what might show by end of the film heh. Im still hoping see the aerial bots even if we dont get superion this movie. (provided they arent made into canon fodder) I eman Megatron wasnt released on the list of names going be in the movie and clearly hes in it too heh. Lets wait and see.

Lastjustice wrote:Theres going be 40 named bots, so its entirely possible we do see them they just have a limited role. Theres going be 60 bots total, and the list of headliners didnt include the entire 20 per a side.

For auotbots we have
- Returning
1. Prime
2. Bumble bee
3. Ironhide
4. rachet (poor jazz )
- New
5. Skids
6. Mudflap (the twins)
7. Arcee
8. Jolt
10. Sideswipe
11 Jetfire

So that still leaves another 9 named bots for the autobots if the numbers are fairly even. granted of them are likely arcees other two partners she combines with, but theres still room for Ultra magnus and Hot rod be part of the roster as the autobots need a second in command with Jazz killed. I'd venture guess prowl will be amoung the new bots as well.

So dont count them out till the movie credits roll as we dont know who or what might show by end of the film heh. Im still hoping see the aerial bots even if we dont get superion this movie. (provided they arent made into canon fodder) I eman Megatron wasnt released on the list of names going be in the movie and clearly hes in it too heh. Lets wait and see.

Yeah, but I think Ultra magnus and Hot Rod are too important to be "anonymus" Autobots. If Skids and Mudflap and Arcee are named, why wouldn't 2 of the most important characters in TF Universe?

have you seen the trailer with all the little metal balls rolling around which (unless i was imagining things) became the Insecticons.

I think we may have our 40+ right there. Those initial numbers were a nice little bit of Hollywood Spin i think.

Fananga wrote:have you seen the trailer with all the little metal balls rolling around which (unless i was imagining things) became the Insecticons.

I think we may have our 40+ right there. Those initial numbers were a nice little bit of Hollywood Spin i think.

They're a part of Ravage, I don't think they're Insecticons. And they're used to take the last part of the Allspark from the Autobots so i think they're more a weapon than a character(s) so they probably don't count...

Yeah, but I think Ultra magnus and Hot Rod are too important to be "anonymus" Autobots. If Skids and Mudflap and Arcee are named, why wouldn't 2 of the most important characters in TF Universe?

They might not been mentioned as a surprise.We havent seen everything, as no one really got any good pictures of soundwave yet and we all know hes in the movie. The intial list didnt include megatron as I pointed out. Its very possible those two make a minor appearance or even a major one. Like theres battles all over the world, and ultra magnus is leading troops somewhere else. It be smart on their part if they said such an event were happening even if they didnt show much of it during the movie and focused on primes forces.

The list show might be just those directly along side optimus prime's team the whole movie. Im going be optimistic and believe some awesome characters still havent been let out of the bag, as theres 40 named between the two factions. May be we see Prowl, Springer, Ultra magnus, or Hot rod still , as they just get set up for a potentially larger role next movie. Theres been so much awesomeness radiating from this movie, I cant help but believe theres so much more than meets eye ahead for us to see hehe. While I am the eternal optimist, and could be wrong,I dont believe I am.

The intal list http://www.superherohype.com/news/trans ... hp?id=8211

Other info about 60 characters

http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/20 ... ers-2.html

Lastjustice wrote:

Yeah, but I think Ultra magnus and Hot Rod are too important to be "anonymus" Autobots. If Skids and Mudflap and Arcee are named, why wouldn't 2 of the most important characters in TF Universe?

They might not been mentioned as a surprise.We havent seen everything, as no one really got any good pictures of soundwave yet and we all know hes in the movie.

That's because he never transforms. he stays in satellite mode the entire time.

I don't believe they're in the movie. They weren't in the novelization, so I doubt they will be shown. Maybe referenced to, but won't be seen.

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Yeah, but I think Ultra magnus and Hot Rod are too important to be "anonymus" Autobots. If Skids and Mudflap and Arcee are named, why wouldn't 2 of the most important characters in TF Universe?

I would give Bay and his team major props if they some how kept UM a secret. Imagine seeing them on screen without expecting them. Killer!

Rodimus Prime wrote:
That's because he never transforms. he stays in satellite mode the entire time.

And how are you sure that he never transforms? There's been a lot of contradicting things going on about the movie in the net. Many have even been from bay and the producers themselves. Also, considering that the movie is still being finished, anything can change....

At least i hope that's the case. Cause I'll be really disappointed if he just stayed in satellite mode the whole movie. I mean, whats the point of even having him in the movie? But if what your saying is true, i hope we at least get to hear him talk. And real lines, Not one or two like Star Scream had in the first movie.

Rodimus Prime wrote:
That's because he never transforms. he stays in satellite mode the entire time.

And how are you sure that he never transforms?

Well, I'm just going by novel of the movie, which was taken right out of the script. So unless bay changed something at the last second, Soundwave hangs out in space, attached to a military satellite, monitoring communications. His only action is sending Ravage down to earth.

I mean, whats the point of even having him in the movie? But if what your saying is true, i hope we at least get to hear him talk. And real lines, Not one or two like Star Scream had in the first movie.

Well, as I said, in the novel, he has little to do. he does have a bit of a conversation with megatron, like Starscream did in the first film. Sorry to ruin it for ya. However, he survives for the 3rd film by staying in space, so maybe that's when he comes down. Afterall, he does get his own toy, right?

Well I didnt read the novel, and I wouldnt take those as things set in stone. I mean in the first novel most the decepticons returned to space. In the movie all of them but barricade, and starscream got sent to big junkyard in the sky. It be rather disapointing if thats all soundwave does all movie, I understand hes an information officer and Hasbro insisted he be sound related, but seems like such a missed opprotuntity for him have a prescence in the movie universe.

In anycase unless the novel probably didnt say all autobots who will be shown since was taken from an early script and its gone thru a ton of changes since chances are.Whether its ultra magnus,Prowl or whoever else that shows up next, we will get more autobots. I just hope they arent fodder hehe.

I mean if their prescence is purely for body count id rather they brought in guys I dont care if they get slagged. Blue streak,Tailgate, Hoist, Huffer,Outback,Pipes,Seaspray, they could be blown away and I wouldnt be too bother. I dont like see characters get fragged, since takes away any chance of them doing something cool later.

In any case I just take the wait and see attitude as we dont have too much longer till we see the truth of what goes down. Revenge is near! hehe.

Lastjustice wrote:Well I didnt read the novel, and I wouldnt take those as things set in stone. I mean in the first novel most the decepticons returned to space. In the movie all of them but barricade, and starscream got sent to big junkyard in the sky. It be rather disapointing if thats all soundwave does all movie, I understand hes an information officer and Hasbro insisted he be sound related, but seems like such a missed opprotuntity for him have a prescence in the movie universe.

Good point. Novels are rarely (if ever) exactly as the movie their based on. So i still wouldn't count that as anything for sure. At least i hope not. Lastjustice would be correct that this would be quite a waste if all he did was hover in space.

I think adding either at this point would be kinda of silly. Just remember what happens when you put to many characters in a movie gets you......Mortal Kombat 2.I say keep it simple and just add a few here and there, and remove characters as needed to keep a good story.I hope they stay on the path there going and keep the 86 movie characters out of it for now.There are to many iconic characters from the early on that would fit the story better.I sure hope to see Grimlock, Sunstreaker,Shockwave or Prowl before Ultramagus.Honestly I hope they stay completely away from the 86 characters.If you see Unicron in a TF live action movie,I will show you a movie going straight to DVD.These movies will cheapen one day its bound to happen.Bay will leave writers will change and movie companies will wanna make the same movies using less money.You'll probably see Ultramagnus in TF 5 on the straight to DVD rack staring Jack Black.

vulgar_wraith wrote:I think adding either at this point would be kinda of silly. Just remember what happens when you put to many characters in a movie gets you......Mortal Kombat 2.I say keep it simple and just add a few here and there, and remove characters as needed to keep a good story.I hope they stay on the path there going and keep the 86 movie characters out of it for now.There are to many iconic characters from the early on that would fit the story better.I sure hope to see Grimlock, Sunstreaker,Shockwave or Prowl before Ultramagus.Honestly I hope they stay completely away from the 86 characters.If you see Unicron in a TF live action movie,I will show you a movie going straight to DVD.These movies will cheapen one day its bound to happen.Bay will leave writers will change and movie companies will wanna make the same movies using less money.You'll probably see Ultramagnus in TF 5 on the straight to DVD rack staring Jack Black.

I agree with some of your sentiment as I dont care see them recapture the 86 movie experience in live action.(I dont want to see unicron ever in another movie. Hes a plot device not a villain.) Theres some solid earlier characters bring in still like Hound, Cliffjumper, Prowl, Sunstreaker (when they said twins I figured thats who would be in the movie with sideswipe.) Trailbreaker, Windcharger, WheelJack, Tracks and bunch of others.

Just thing is all them are normal cars, which is fine. I was hoping they d bring in a few different guys. With the size of the vechile making a larger bot, the autobots shown so far are all going be smaller for most part. I'd like seen ultra magnus if for the sake of nothing else we d have another autobot who could fight on even ground like prime can against the cons. Plus gives us different fights to see with guys with different alt mods. (why aerial bots would be awesome,Id love see Silverbolt and Starscream in a duke it out in a dog fight.)If 90% of the autobots are simply smaller bots they re going need always be running around alot and poking their foes. Magnus could hang with the cons, as the Autobots feel alittle lite on heavy hitters. (Prime, Jetfire, Ironhide) Prime cant beat everything himself heh.

So far we have Wheelie (who hopefully isnt super annoying or get slagged.), Arcee (cause shes one of the more popular females.) Appearing from the 86 film in the movie. If we re cherry picking G1 I dont mind Hot rod and ultramagnus since they atleast had vechiles that looked for most part like earth vechiles and could easily fit into whats currently in the movies. Guys like Blurr(his animated incarnation wasnt too bad.) , Kup(hes not a bad character but his alt mode and name suck), Springer(Like springer personality as he was cool.) all had lame alt modes. I'd hope if they appeared they d be given earth vechiles to keep things uniform.(while dinobots are cool, i dont feel like they fit into the movies well either.) I'd hope they keep the cybertronian stuff to a miminal.

Well I didnt read the novel, and I wouldnt take those as things set in stone. I mean in the first novel most the decepticons returned to space

O realy?

Bonecrusher p.252
Barricade p.252
Frenzy p.263
Devestator (Brawl) p.277
Blackout p.279
Megatron p.283
Starscream; exit p.283

That would be all the Cons from the first book/film would it not?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Lastjustice wrote:Theres going be 40 named bots, so its entirely possible we do see them they just have a limited role. Theres going be 60 bots total, and the list of headliners didnt include the entire 20 per a side.

For auotbots we have
- Returning
1. Prime
2. Bumble bee
3. Ironhide
4. rachet (poor jazz )
- New
5. Skids
6. Mudflap (the twins)
7. Arcee
8. Jolt
10. Sideswipe
11 Jetfire

So that still leaves another 9 named bots for the autobots if the numbers are fairly even. granted of them are likely arcees other two partners she combines with, but theres still room for Ultra magnus and Hot rod be part of the roster as the autobots need a second in command with Jazz killed. I'd venture guess prowl will be amoung the new bots as well.

So dont count them out till the movie credits roll as we dont know who or what might show by end of the film heh. Im still hoping see the aerial bots even if we dont get superion this movie. (provided they arent made into canon fodder) I eman Megatron wasnt released on the list of names going be in the movie and clearly hes in it too heh. Lets wait and see.

Yeah, but I think Ultra magnus and Hot Rod are too important to be "anonymus" Autobots. If Skids and Mudflap and Arcee are named, why wouldn't 2 of the most important characters in TF Universe?

Not mentioning Breakaway, Springer, Chromia, or Wheelie, who have at least have confirmed screen time & toys...

That would be all the Cons from the first book/film would it not?

Not according the transformer wiki, but I didnt read the novel myself. Im looking for the quote, as I remember reading it. Someone might updated where I intially saw it to correct data. If that is false, or not I cant say as multiple micro-continuties for the movie. I appologize if it(as that account is based off second hand info), but I was simply trying show a point of where books werent the same, and I recalled seeing that as that seemed vastly different. As they often are.

Not mentioning Breakaway, Springer, Chromia, or Wheelie, who have at least have confirmed screen time & toys...

Yeah Im inclined think guys with toys are much more likely be appearing in the movie hehe.

Lastjustice wrote:

That would be all the Cons from the first book/film would it not?

Not according the transformer wiki, but I didnt read the novel myself. Im looking for the quote, as I remember reading it. Someone might updated where I intially saw it to correct data. If that is false, or not I cant say as multiple micro-continuties for the movie. I appologize if it(as that account is based off second hand info), but I was simply trying show a point of where books werent the same, and I recalled seeing that as that seemed vastly different. As they often are.

I both still own and have read the book; it was not vastly different from the film. In fact there were only the minor differences that one could expect to be created by running edits to the script and film.

O by the way I accidental left off Scorponok because he was incapacitated so early and didn't take part in the climax; him aside there were no other Decepticons in either media. Where you and others are likely having difficulty is the shear number of extra media Cons that were created to fill out store shelves.

Where you and others are likely having difficulty is the shear number of extra media Cons that were created to fill out store shelves.

Im not having any difficulty, just I didnt read the books and quoted an inaccurate source heh. Im aware of extra characters that Hasbro made guys that didnt make the cut for the movie like wreckage.Or the comics and video games have guys that exist solely in them. I have a pretty good memory of transformers or in life in general.(after the 2007 movie came out I rewatched some older episode and thumbed thru wiki on stuff, then it all came flooding back.)

I'm not confused I was just merely stating theres differences between things and people called me out on it.I own up to that much. I was just trying point out there room for things be different. May be the first movie book was closer than most to it. May be this novel closer to movie too (I wouldnt ever read the book before seeing the movie since it ruin the experience. i like to be surprised.) I have fun speculating things. Im ok with not being accurate as part of its stuff Id like to see.

I really want to see both of them, hopefully in the third movie. Always dug Magnus's color scheme.