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Okay, I know how you guys loved brutal action fights. More robot brawl, more robot vs robot brutality. That's what most of you guys looked forward to this movie, but guys...don't you think the brutality coming out of the Autobots are WAY too much?

Here's are a few cold hearted and Mortal Kombat FATALITY moments:-

1) Sideswipe slicing Sideways into 2. Note that he was in vehicle mode, which is practically makes him unarmed.
2) Optimus shooting a wounded Decepticon straight in the face. "Any last words?"
3) Optimus ripping Blackout's clone face to half.
4) Bumblebee ripping the spine while tearing the metal skin off Ravage.
5) Scorponok crushed to half by Jetfire.
6) Mixmaster brutally murdered by Jetfire.
7) Optimus ripping The Fallen's face.

There are several more...

Now don't get me wrong. I enjoy robot violence. The smashing, the crushing, the ripping. But surely do not enjoy seeing them coming from the good guys...

I dare say 95% if not more, of the movie's robot VS robot violence came from the Autobots, the good guys. This doesn't make sense.

I wouldn't mind a bit seeing Megatron, Starscream, or any Decepticon ripping any of the Autobots inside out, spilling their intestines, because its their nature, they....are...EVIL!

But seeing this from the Autobots, especially Optimus, after giving lecture to humans, "How our ways of solving things, let to destruction..". Have he seen the destruction he did to his Transformers brothers?

I was shocked seeing the part where the wounded Demolishor was shot by Optimus. That time, I thoughht some Sector 7 guys(which I forgotten, was no more) would cyro-freeze him and him somewhere. That would be less violent way to handle things.

I mean could they(Micheal Bay and crew) make the Autobots defeat the Decepticons in a less barbaric manner. Like how Bumblebee killed Brawl in TF1. Several shots and dead.

The Autobots are too hostile in this movie. The way Optimus asked "What if we leave..and you're wrong?" It's threatning. A hostile response.

During the start of the movie "..hunt down way remains of the Decepticon army..". Well that's cruel. With their leader gone, you hunt them down like dogs, then kill them? It's like genocide. I felt sorry for the poor Decepticons.

Imagine if this movie is real. After seeing the slaughter done by the Autobots by your very eyes, would you still believe that you are actually protected by them?

Considering the Decepticons spend the movie trying to blow up the sun, and that any brutality on the Autobots' part is to keep the Decepticons from killing all of us...

yea i would still think they are there protecting? lol they just ripped the decepticons in half TO PROTECT US! how else are they going to stop them? "HEY YOU DECEPTICON WE ARE AUTOBOT YOU GUYS GOTTA PACK IT UPA ND LEAVE" and they are hunting the remaining decepticons, b/c welllllllll they are evil robots living on the planet for their leader to return and plus starscream took over when megatron was "dead" under the water, i guess you have never watched the show before? autobots still act the same, shooting and kill punching thrashin. And plus its a live action movie its giant robots on earth lol just think your whole statement over

Yeah, but it wouldn't be so bad if the heroic Autobots just cyrogenate the Decepticons they hunted instead of killing them.

Think about it, the Autobots have been engaged in a centuries-old war where, now, they're facing extinction at the hands (or claws) of the Decepticons. Even if, at one point, they were the soft, pathetic sissies many of us humans insist on being, when it becomes perfectly clear that the bad guys are winning and that they will continue to do so if you, the good guys, don't get it in gear (pun SO intended) and start kicking some aft, you're gonna realize one or more of two things: A. If you wanna win said war, then you can't afford to set rules for yourself that you know your enemies won't follow, especially rules for the battlefield ("All's fair in love and war"), and B. The bad guys have made their decision and members from BOTH sides should be prepared to accept any and all consequences that go along with it.

In case you haven't noticed, these ain't your grandfather's Autobots. They're supposed to have been at war for hundreds of years, and the brutality they exhibit is not only a reflection of the hardening that comes with that, but also of the desperation of how they're fighting to ensure not just our survival, but their own as well.

zwann wrote:Yeah, but it wouldn't be so bad if the heroic Autobots just cyrogenate the Decepticons they hunted instead of killing them.

Except you may remember how badly that failed in the first movie, when Frenzy was able to sabotage the freezing system.

Now that I think of it, I'd expect the actions of these Movie Autobots' ruthlessness from the Shattered Glass Autobots.

There's only one instance I can think of where an Autobot (well, actually a Maximal) issued such brutality to an enemy bot: when BW Depth Charge killed BW Rampage. But that works for him, cuz Depth Charge was a loose cannon and out for revenge. He was cold-hearted and ruthless, and that worked for him, as it made him cool. And he had a reason (whether good or not), Rampage had slaughtered all of Colony Omicron and Starbase Rugby.

But to make every Movie Autobot like Depth Charge definitely doesn't make them family-friendly, like most of the characters from most of the other TV shows. Then again, these movies aren't meant either educational nor informational.

so if your at war? your not going to fight for your life? espeically if your planets sun is in danger and about to kill the whole earth? even in the G1 show auto bots would still kick ass in a cold hearted way

Sabrblade wrote:There's only one instance I can think of where an Autobot (well, actually a Maximal) issued such brutality to an enemy bot:

How about in the '86 movie when Optimus Prime had Megatron at gunpoint, and when Megatron asked for mercy, Optimus just mocked him.

I thought the kills were a way of highlighting the harsh reality of war. There is no real way to murder someone kindly. Rip a face in half or shoot you in the head clean...... still a murder. I thought they made prime a bad ass leader who was tired of dealing with the cons threat. The brutality seemed to be a result of frustration of the current situation.

If this movie were like G1, instead of extremely graphic violence, all we'd get would be some punching and kicking, laser fire with terrible aim (in other words, little to no one would get shot), and ALL the Decepticons would've retreated after the Harvester was destroyed.

The big epic fight to the death would've been a big epic fight to the enemy's retreat.

Remember the Autobots'/Maximals' objective in most of the fights in the cartoons was "fight off the enemy until they retreat or surrender." The movies have them as "fight off the enemy until they DIE A PAINFULLY MISERABLE AGONIZING DEATH!!!"

Shadowman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:There's only one instance I can think of where an Autobot (well, actually a Maximal) issued such brutality to an enemy bot:

How about in the '86 movie when Optimus Prime had Megatron at gunpoint, and when Megatron asked for mercy, Optimus just mocked him.

And that's a movie, not a cartoon series. The G1 movie was very different from its own TV show.

Violence does not always = Evil or cold hearted.
If i punched a man in the street who was mugging an old woman would that make me cold hearted?
So why does the autobots killing Deceptcions in an attempt to stop them killing every human and destroying the sun make them barbaric!

Autobots wage their battle to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons.

Giant Purple Griffin wrote:Autobots wage their battle to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons.

And note that in G1, they never destroyed the evil forces of the Decepticons, just shot at them until they ran away, and maybe wounded a few.

Shadowman wrote:

Giant Purple Griffin wrote:Autobots wage their battle to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons.

And note that in G1, they never destroyed the evil forces of the Decepticons, just shot at them until they ran away, and maybe wounded a few.

Yep, the downside of an 80's cartoon. It would be "too violent" to kill anybody.

GI Joe was even worse. Its one thing when you got Gigantic Robots fighting, but when you got 2 human factions in a war with each other and nobodies dying, that's just ridiculous!

Sabrblade wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:There's only one instance I can think of where an Autobot (well, actually a Maximal) issued such brutality to an enemy bot:

How about in the '86 movie when Optimus Prime had Megatron at gunpoint, and when Megatron asked for mercy, Optimus just mocked him.

And that's a movie, not a cartoon series. The G1 movie was very different from its own TV show.

Plus Prime explained why he was fed-up with Megatron.

I still think that the movie Autobots are really really violent, they could have at least offered captivity to one of the Decepticons like Demolishor.

The uncoolest death was that of Sideways being cut like that, he really didn't deserve that.

Dead Metal wrote:
The uncoolest death was that of Sideways being cut like that, he really didn't deserve that.

Yeah I agree. I wasn't too crazy about it either, and Sideways was merely trying to avoid conflict and get away.

zwann wrote:6) Mixmaster brutally murdered by Jetfire.

Really? I didn't see that... I only saw him fight Scorponok

Hope not! lol

They know the Decepticons will just cause death and destruction if they don't destroy them. Plus they're robots, just shooting one in the torso won't get the job done. You'd have to do a lot of damage to keep one down.

ScoutSi wrote:

zwann wrote:6) Mixmaster brutally murdered by Jetfire.

Really? I didn't see that... I only saw him fight Scorponok

Hope not! lol

Yup... 1st thing Jetfire does when he lands on the battlefield is cut Mixmaster in half, then Scorponok comes out of hiding and gets smashed....

So the Autobots are supposed to have some kum-bi-ya with these guys, sit down have tea and coffee and talk things out? Give me a break. This is not the G1 cartoon series. So the Autobots are bit more brutal than you remember. That's what millions of year of war is going to due to you. They aren't going to sit back and take it while know the Decepticons would do the exact same thing. THIS IS WAR! Just because they finish of their enemies doesn't mean that they aren't compassionate. It means they aren't going to put up the the Decepticons crap any more. It's about time the Autobots aren't portrayed as push overs in that department anymore.

Alright, Shadowman!

You and me, right now!

Remember the threads about cat abuse? With Kenny Glenn and... that other one... All the posters were talking about "rawr I'd totally beat that kid in the face" and you were saying how that makes them no better than the abusers.

Well, is it not the same here? If the Decepticons are savage and destructive, does it do anything for the Autobots to be equally as violent?

I mean, I agree with OP really. Prime seems a lot more ruthless and violent here than anywhere else. Yes there was the mocking Megatron in the movie, aaaand... whatever else. But here, his violence and destructive attitude seems to stand out far more.

Beheading Bonecrusher. Executing Demolishor. Tearing Grindor's face in half. And no words of remorse or regret for any of it. Apart from that one time where Megatron died and he was all "Sorry bro" even though he wasn't the one who killed him.

Some will say it's to do with the "grim reality" of war but... well... In our reality, soldiers don't go up to enemies and viciously dismember them. Yes war is bloody and violent, but it doesn't happen quite as Bay's movie.

In the end, its because Bay doesn't understand the characters the way we do. He doesn't understand them as "old friends" like some of us, who grew up with them and grew accustomed to them. He sees their archetypes (bumblebee as the underdog, Prime as the hero-leader, Ironhide as the strongman) and that's about it. Ultimately he does what looks good for the film, regardless of who does it or what our understanding of them would dictate they do instead.

Ooooook.


Has everyone forgotten how before being executed by OP, Demolisher was swatting helicopters out of the sky like flies? Running over cars, crashing through things...there were soilders in those helicopters. Those concrete pipes were landing on PEOPLE. There were PEOPLE in the cars, on the bridge...and the Autobots are being verbally crucified for it? It seems to me the merciless, ruthless, evil bots in this movie were DEFINATLY still the Decepticons. Yes, the Autobots kill...but they have to, its WAR. People (or robots in this case), die in war. And referring to another comment someone else posted, its definatly going to take more than a few shots from a giant gun to put these guys down. You have to put them out for good. The Autobots were only doing what they do best...they were protecting.

Shadowman wrote:Considering the Decepticons spend the movie trying to blow up the sun, and that any brutality on the Autobots' part is to keep the Decepticons from killing all of us...

THIS
And u said to freeze Demolisher.. well I seem to recall them doing that to a certain decepticon in the first movie and look how that truned out... Prime had to kill Grindor it was either kill him and fight Screamer and Megs or get sliced to pieces.