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Sorry if this was posted already but...I swear in the final battle scene at the end of the movie, when the Fallen lifts up rocks while standing on top of the pyramid to knock out incoming F22's there was 3 F22's that flew by him and the pyramid right before that and I swear I thought they were lead by Starscream and the 2nd one was blue like Thundercracker and the 3rd real dark like Skywarp, was I just seeing things? The 2nd one really stood out as being blue unless I'm going blind

You are well carefully about that. I'm too focused to the Fallen lifts up rocks while standing on top of the pyramid to knock out incoming F22's and haven't noticed that. Maybe it just a coincidence. (sorry, my english is poor)

i notcied it that, especialy in the trailer i was like omg they are going to have thunder cracker and skywarp but then they just blow up, but maybe bay did it to pay homage to the characters? but i did notice it also

I thought they were Air Force F-22s not the seekers. Wasn't Starscream down towards the main battle while the fallen and megatron were activating the machine? im seeing it tonite for the 3rd time so i will check it out again to see if i see something different.

I noticed them, too. They couldn't be military planes because Optimus blew one of them up as he approached the Fallen.

im just making sure, are you talking about the scene when the fallen is making the rocks spin around the pyramid and then the 2 jets fly over and they have the purplish and bluish colors and they get destroyed by the flying rocks?

You mean these jets?
(2 jets- click 'view image' to see full picture)

(3 jets - click 'view image' to see full picture)


We counted 5 F-22's total in that scene. And the only US military planes in force that seemed to be called in were the F-16's and B-1's. So I'm going to stab at it wildly and say they're Seeker's (with a couple of Coneheads thrown in for good luck).

Autobobby1 wrote:I noticed them, too. They couldn't be military planes because Optimus blew one of them up as he approached the Fallen.

That one crashed into one of the levitating rocks.

Pretty sure they were AF not Seekers.

I know which scene you are talking about because for a brief instant I had that moment of pure elation but then it dawned on me that they were actually military craft. While the F16's and B-1's may have made up the first wave, you guys have to remember that once Pentagon brass realized they had been duped they called out everything for back-up which means that anything from neighboring countries, any of our installations that were half-way close at hand, was likely scrambled so stragglers were inevitable.
I really wanted it to be the "Seekers" too when I first saw it but I had to give over to the most logical, rational explanation.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to spot that and get that excited about it. The kid in the seat next to me looked at me a dozen times during the movie like I was nuts.

T-Macksimus wrote:I really wanted it to be the "Seekers" too when I first saw it but I had to give over to the most logical, rational explanation.

... You are no fun.

Logically, Egypt and Jordan don't border each other. Logically, it's not daylight in DC and Egypt at the same time. Logically, no matter where you are on Earth Orion's Belt does not appear that large (unaided). Logic and this movie don't mix.

They're Seekers. XD

Dreamchylde wrote:You mean these jets?
(2 jets- click 'view image' to see full picture)

(3 jets - click 'view image' to see full picture)


We counted 5 F-22's total in that scene. And the only US military planes in force that seemed to be called in were the F-16's and B-1's. So I'm going to stab at it wildly and say they're Seeker's (with a couple of Coneheads thrown in for good luck).

No it's actually right before that scene, its like 3 F22's fly by The Fallen and the top of the pyramid, I thought it was strange the Fallen didnt attack them AND the F22's didnt fire on The Fallen, then the next scene is the military F22's flying in and one being destroyed. Maybe they put Thundercracker and Skywarp in for 2 seconds? ha well maybe they will be in Part 3!

aviolante wrote:
No it's actually right before that scene, its like 3 F22's fly by The Fallen and the top of the pyramid, I thought it was strange the Fallen didnt attack them AND the F22's didnt fire on The Fallen, then the next scene is the military F22's flying in and one being destroyed. Maybe they put Thundercracker and Skywarp in for 2 seconds? ha well maybe they will be in Part 3!

A VERY good point! The Fallen didn't attack them! Therefore they must be! XD

I deffinatly noticed the two jets in the earlier scene. They looked to be in those colors, but it may have just been the lighting at that angle. But I still think it was the seekers

Dreamchylde wrote:

T-Macksimus wrote:I really wanted it to be the "Seekers" too when I first saw it but I had to give over to the most logical, rational explanation.

... You are no fun.

Logically, Egypt and Jordan don't border each other. Logically, it's not daylight in DC and Egypt at the same time. Logically, no matter where you are on Earth Orion's Belt does not appear that large (unaided). Logic and this movie don't mix.

They're Seekers. XD

...and logically, Seekers are tough enough to NOT blow up after one shot. That's why I think they are Air Force. Human jets can't handle the punishment that a Cybertronian can.

T-Macksimus wrote:

Dreamchylde wrote:

T-Macksimus wrote:I really wanted it to be the "Seekers" too when I first saw it but I had to give over to the most logical, rational explanation.

... You are no fun.

Logically, Egypt and Jordan don't border each other. Logically, it's not daylight in DC and Egypt at the same time. Logically, no matter where you are on Earth Orion's Belt does not appear that large (unaided). Logic and this movie don't mix.

They're Seekers. XD

...and logically, Seekers are tough enough to NOT blow up after one shot. That's why I think they are Air Force. Human jets can't handle the punishment that a Cybertronian can.

The shot right before the fly around has about 5 AF jets in a row heading towards the pyramid. They had left the Aircraft carrier when all hell started breaking loose. Why would they all be moving in to attack the Fallen if they were Seekers? Why would they not be flying around and attacking the army/Autobots? Why did we not at least see one additional Decepticon on the ground that remotely looked like Starscream?

Hate to say it guys-AF, not Seekers.

Hate to say it guys-AF, not Seekers.

With everything that has been mentioned here I have to agree.

Can I slip this in...?

This has been the most enjoyable, least combative, most fun debate session about anyting Movie related since weeks before the release of the film. Thanks guys. But let's keep it low-key 'cause if anyone else finds out we've been "playing nicely" they'll likely storm our thread and things will turn ugly...

I think one has to remember that the film was finished a week before release and chances are there was probably not enough time to finish some CGI, perhaps with the characters.