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Who is with me?

I sure am.

Absolutely not...

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This says everything I have say about that.

fowlowl2626 wrote:Who is with me?

AYE!

Yeah! The '80's movie was WAY better because it didn't replace the old, awesome characters with new, annoying/nameless character, nor did some ancient evil threat/artifact of goodness we never heard of before show up.

Noideaforaname wrote:Yeah! The '80's movie was WAY better because it didn't replace the old, awesome characters with new, annoying/nameless character, nor did some ancient evil threat/artifact of goodness we never heard of before show up.

WTH? The 80's movie DID ALL OF THAT!

fowlowl2626 wrote:Who is with me?

Oh yeah, brother, I'm with ya. I wouldn't be on these forums if it weren't for the '86 movie.

There's no question about which movie has the better soundtrack, is there?

Bloodlust wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:Yeah! The '80's movie was WAY better because it didn't replace the old, awesome characters with new, annoying/nameless character, nor did some ancient evil threat/artifact of goodness we never heard of before show up.

WTH? The 80's movie DID ALL OF THAT!

WOW! You are a master of sarcasm!

Predaprince wrote:

Bloodlust wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:Yeah! The '80's movie was WAY better because it didn't replace the old, awesome characters with new, annoying/nameless character, nor did some ancient evil threat/artifact of goodness we never heard of before show up.

WTH? The 80's movie DID ALL OF THAT!

WOW! You are a master of sarcasm!

Hey, you stay up all night doing surgery and see if your sarcasm meter isn't just a little off

Energon Is My Drug wrote:

fowlowl2626 wrote:Who is with me?

Oh yeah, brother, I'm with ya. I wouldn't be on these forums if it weren't for the '86 movie.

There's no question about which movie has the better soundtrack, is there?

I'll take ROTF for 500 Alex! Sorry the hair metal doesnt age well. My niece and nephew were laughing at the 86 movies soundtrack, as they were like whats with this cheesy music. Unless you like Hair metal it totally fails.

I dont mind 80s music, but I much prefer the scores of the new film over the Touch and Dare. When Prime says you'll never stop at one, I'll take you all on, the song that went with it was perfect. Or when the autobots descended in the first film, it was beautiful. Nothing in the 86 film ever made me feel that way when I heard it.

ROTF beats 80s movie's @$$! I dont like the 80s movie, it just doesnt feel like transformers to me. ROTF had awsum music and action, and personally, I like newer live action movies over ancient cartoon movies. no offence, G1 is awesome, but the movie doesnt do it for me

I'm sure that the '86 movie will continue to captivate our hearts long after ROTF has become a very expensive footnote in cinema history... and is seen as the blight on Transformers history that it really is.

What I'm saying is, I agree with the topic creator.

And I don't like ROTF.

BITE ME.

SlyTF1 wrote:ROTF beats 80s movie's @$$! I dont like the 80s movie, it just doesnt feel like transformers to me.

When someone says the '86 movie "doesn't feel like transformers to me" it makes me think that they're not old enough to remember the '86 movie when it was new. I could be way off, it's just the impression I get. I think how much a person likes/appreciates the '86 movie is, in general, a matter of age. I was 11 when I saw this and it became burned into my psyche, so to speak . So, I can totally understand how someone who's 20 now would find it terribly corny.

Yeah, the soundtrack is PURE 80's cheese, but when I hear those corny songs, I think of the movie and the scene it's from. I do like "New Divide" from ROTF, but I can only stand so much Linkin Park before I want to uppercut a punkass...

• G1 movie - good for its time, lots of memories, awesome soundtrack (albeit cheesy at times), hardcore fight scenes... BUT, they replaced nearly every main character with some new guys that hogged the spotlight. And it was more of a robot space opera than a robot Earth war.
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• First Bay movie - amazing special effects, excellent score and soundtrack, superb fighting sequences, Peter Cullen back as Prime!... BUT, little to no characterization of the Decepticons, Bumblebee hogged the spotlight too much, way too many humans, and there were tiems where too much was happening all at once to understand what was going on other than robots fighting.
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• ROTF - More robot characters, more characterization for the Decepticons, less humans, lots more action, "Does Prime Die?" "YES!", "The Return of Optimus Prime", Devastator!, Combining characters!, even more amazing effects and score... BUT, the Twins stole the movie, way too much potty humor, too many scenes that just dragged out the movie, and Megatron willingly serving The Fallen.

BUT,

There is one more movie out there. Well, technically there's two, but this one's the only one between the two that actually feels like a movie. It may be short, but its story holds up. Does it use nearly every charatcer? Yes. Does it kill off anyone for good reason? Yes. Does it bring in newcomers to replace old ones? No. Does it have an awesome final battle moment? YES! What is it?...

Beast Wars Special Super lifeform Transformers - Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!

This movie is amazing!

Bloodlust wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:Yeah! The '80's movie was WAY better because it didn't replace the old, awesome characters with new, annoying/nameless character, nor did some ancient evil threat/artifact of goodness we never heard of before show up.

WTH? The 80's movie DID ALL OF THAT![/quote

Energon Is My Drug wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:ROTF beats 80s movie's @$$! I dont like the 80s movie, it just doesnt feel like transformers to me.

When someone says the '86 movie "doesn't feel like transformers to me" it makes me think that they're not old enough to remember the '86 movie when it was new. I could be way off, it's just the impression I get. I think how much a person likes/appreciates the '86 movie is, in general, a matter of age. I was 11 when I saw this and it became burned into my psyche, so to speak . So, I can totally understand how someone who's 20 now would find it terribly corny.

Yeah, the soundtrack is PURE 80's cheese, but when I hear those corny songs, I think of the movie and the scene it's from. I do like "New Divide" from ROTF, but I can only stand so much Linkin Park before I want to uppercut a punkass...

Im 30, I was 7 years old when the movie came out. I hated the 86 film with the fury of a 1000 burning suns when it came out. I love 80s music, but I was never a huge fan of the pure cheese of the transformers sound track. Just makes the transformers movie feel like something MTV vommited up.

I couldnt stand way all original cast was treated like a speed bump. The incredible plot armor the decepticons had going and how all autobots fell like chumps just annoyed me. All the major alt kickers with in the autobots were mysteriously MIA. I always will say the 86 film is singlehandedly the worst use of an IP ever. If they really wanted make a new series they could just made a second team fighting in space without murdering all the original cast and just left them stationed on earth.

Lastjustice wrote:Im 30, I was 7 years old when the movie came out. I hated the 86 film with the fury of a 1000 burning suns when it came out. I love 80s music, but I was never a huge fan of the pure cheese of the transformers sound track. Just makes the transformers movie feel like something MTV vommited up.

I couldnt stand way all original cast was treated like a speed bump. The incredible plot armor the decepticons had going and how all autobots fell like chumps just annoyed me. All the major alt kickers with in the autobots were mysteriously MIA. I always will say the 86 film is singlehandedly the worst use of an IP ever. If they really wanted make a new series they could just made a second team fighting in space without murdering all the original cast and just left them stationed on earth.

Even though I do love the '86 movie, I agree with you on some points. Now, as an adult, I can see the movie was just an elaborate device to introduce the new toys, and wipe out the old.

But, as a kid I didn't view it that way. I just remember being blown away that so many beloved characters died (and quite violently too!). The animation was better than the TV series, and it introduced so many new characters/toys that it was just awesome for me. I can see how a lot of people would be pissed about how the original G1 characters went out, though.

P.S. The line about MTV is great!

Energon Is My Drug wrote:

Lastjustice wrote:Im 30, I was 7 years old when the movie came out. I hated the 86 film with the fury of a 1000 burning suns when it came out. I love 80s music, but I was never a huge fan of the pure cheese of the transformers sound track. Just makes the transformers movie feel like something MTV vommited up.

I couldnt stand way all original cast was treated like a speed bump. The incredible plot armor the decepticons had going and how all autobots fell like chumps just annoyed me. All the major alt kickers with in the autobots were mysteriously MIA. I always will say the 86 film is singlehandedly the worst use of an IP ever. If they really wanted make a new series they could just made a second team fighting in space without murdering all the original cast and just left them stationed on earth.

Even though I do love the '86 movie, I agree with you on some points. Now, as an adult, I can see the movie was just an elaborate device to introduce the new toys, and wipe out the old.

But, as a kid I didn't view it that way. I just remember being blown away that so many beloved characters died (and quite violently too!). The animation was better than the TV series, and it introduced so many new characters/toys that it was just awesome for me. I can see how a lot of people would be pissed about how the original G1 characters went out, though.

P.S. The line about MTV is great!

Well long as you see it's flaws but still love it, then you re not a fanboy atleast hehe. I dislike when people go it had such guts..like no they didn't they just didnt know the slagstorm they were going get or they'd never done it. If they truly had guts they wouldn't brought Prime back. (or Ultra Magnus and Springer.)

Though in the 86 movies defense, it probably has the best version of the transformers theme song by Lion of all the versions. The Cheap trick version sounded more like Dream Police than transformers. They thankfully didn't play it during the film as it didnt fit the movie at all.

As for Stan Bush, his newer song till all are one is pretty good.

hellz no! Sure ROTF could have been better but it was nowhere near as poopy as the 86 movie. I mean common, they killed off most of the original cast, and replaced them with poopy and annoying characters like Hotrod.

When I was a boy, I loved the 86 movie. I'm pretty sure I cried a real tear when Optimus Prime died. I didn't think too much about all of the original characters getting wasted. I just never read into it that much. The things I took from that movie were: the autobots have a new leader, Galvatron is bada$$, and Unicron was the craziest thing I had ever seen up to that point in my short life. It was a transformers movie and I loved it, plain and simple.

These days, I still like it for what it meant to me back then. And I probably watch it more these days than any 30+ year old should but now I know more about what it is. I get the feeling from some of the responses in this thread that some may not. The 86 movie is a victim of Hasbro/Takara. When I was a boy, I got every transformers I could get my hands on because I loved that cartoon. And that was exactly the point. I'm sure most people here know but the cartoon was nothing more than a vehicle to sell the toys. Takara/Hasbro came up with this new line of toys that transform from vehicle to robot. How do they get these toys sold to the kids? Lets come up with a cartoon. If the kids see the cartoon, they are going to want the toys. And thats exactly what happened. When they came out with some new toys, they got written into the cartoon to be exposed to the kids.

Well, after two seasons Transformers got huge. To keep the money flowing, Takara/Hasbro came out with a whole new line of toys. A whole new line of toys presented a problem: How do they get the kids to buy the entire new line? They couldn't just write off/replace every single character in the cartoon. Kids would be confused and angry about what happened to their favorite characters. They couldn't just phase the new characters a little at the time. That would take too long. They toys were already made. They needed to start making money off of the molds now to get a return on their investment. Oh, a brilliant idea. Lets make a movie! In the movie, we will introduce the kids to the new line of characters. At the same time, we will kill off all of the old characters. This will give the kids enough closure they need with the old characters to accept the new characters. This way they won't have a problem buying all of the new figures, plus we get returns from the movie too.

Some writer didn't sit down when penning the movie and think that it would be a good idea to kill off every character that the kids loved. The writer did it because Hasbro told him to. Hasbro created Rodimus Prime, therefore Optimus Prime had to go. No kid would accept Rodimus Prime as the leader of the Autobots and, in turn, buy his figure if Optimus was still around. The movie, like the cartoon before it, was nothing more than a vehicle to sell already made toys. This is why it turned out the way it did. There's no transition at all between the end of season 2 and the movie other than the voice over at the beginning telling us what happened when we last saw the transformers. The majority of of our favorite characters end up getting wasted and the ones that do survive, pretty much just disappear. And there is really no good explanation to where all of these new characters have been.

Back then, Hasbro didn't care too much about the final product of the movie. They stood to make a lot more money from the toys that the movie would sell than the actual movie itself. However, Bay has a lot more control of his movies. Yes, Hasbro has input and yes the movies sell toys but the purpose of the movies isn't to sell toys. Selling toys is the byproduct of a hit movie. Bay and Hasbro care a lot more about these latest movies than anybody cared about the 86 movie and I believe that it shows in the final products. If the 86 movie had been written with the sole purpose of making a good movie like the 07 movie was, there was definitly a better story that could have been told. ROTF has its problems but at least Optimus didn't get whored out for Rodimus Prime.

joesaysso, you are almost right, if that wouldn't have been a Michael Bay movie: The movies didn't sell toys, but instead, it had endless cutscenes that had the single purpose to "sell" the american military, and had a lineup of vehicles to sell cars - Jolt, for example, were put in the movie in the last minutes to sell the Chevrolet Volt car - Sure, RotF didn't went to sell toys, because toys alone wouldn't have been enough to finance its budget, instead it went to sell bigger products.

Chaos, you are right about that. No question about it. But there are differences that make it ok in ROTF's case. A) ROTF needs all of those vehicles for the movie to work. You can't have transformers without vehicles to transform into. And you can't have a huge battle of humans attempting to battle an alien robot race without the military. All of these things were required for the movie. People can say whatever they want about Bay, but in this case, negotiating deals with GMC to use their vehicles is smart. A) it helps boost the budget which he put right back into the movie, thus making a better movie. and B) using cool popular cars helps the movie appeal to an older demographic than the 4-10 year olds. Which brings in a better box office return. I, personally, felt my jaw drop during the scene that Bumblebee scans the new Camaro after Mikaela calls him a piece of crap and I drool a little bit each time I see Barricade in Mustang form. None of these thing ruined the integrity of the movie. They were all going to be there anyway. If anybody thought that the movie was bad, it wasn't because of all of the car and eye candy.

Where as TFTM 86 could have been much better had it been made for other reasons than to push new toys. That WAS the point of that movie. The movie was made for no other reason than to sell new toys. ROTF was made to be a box office smash movie. Selling toys, cars, and military is a byproduct of a popular movie.

And on a personal note. Both Bay movies used one of our unit's aircraft on screen. On the set of the second film, I was able to snag one of the ball caps that Bay had made for all of the production crew to wear. It sits proudly on my hat rack right now. So, complaining to me about selling the military being a negative thing about the movie is falling on deaf ears my friend. If Bay keeps calling us to partake in his movies, I'm all for it.

joesaysso wrote:You can't have transformers without vehicles to transform into.

Yes you can. There are TONS of Transformers who don't have vehicle altmodes.

Sabrblade wrote:

joesaysso wrote:You can't have transformers without vehicles to transform into.

Yes you can. There are TONS of Transformers who don't have vehicle altmodes.

Please don't take the quote out of context. When I said "transformers" I didn't mean generally. I meant specifically the movie. You can't have a live action movie without vehicles for the robots to transform into. Obviously there are transformers without vehicles for alt mode. You can't take all of the vehicles out of the movie and replace them with other non-vehicle bots and expect anybody to take the movie seriously.

Nobody wants to see a movie with Autobots (auto is in the name for crying out loud) filled with the Dinobots, Blaster, and Perceptor fighting against the Insecticons, Laserbeak, and Reflector. The final fight sequence could be Blaster transforms into radio mode and destroys the Insecticons with super ultra-sonic sound waves. Perceptor goes into microscope mode to examine their remains. In a twist, Megatron comes back to life and scans a 9mm handgun. He transforms into gun mode so one of the Reflectors could catch him and use him but Swoop, changes into Pterradactyl mode and intercepts Megatron, firing on the rest of the decepticons and killing them. Then he drops Megatron into a volcano melting him and finally killing him to. Final cutscene with Laserbeak leaving Earth to fly to Cybertron, ala Starscream in the first movie, leaving hopes for a possible sequel starring the rest of Soundwave's cassettes, who for the sake of the currency would transform into blu-ray discs. That would be sweet, huh?