The Energon Pub

So, I just rewatched ROTF after getting it for Christmas (wow, the standard DVD is more barebones than most DVDs of way less high budget films, companies are getting gay in how they handle special features etc.) and a pondering that I had when the movie first was in theatres has revisited my mind: What happened to the twins? Last we saw they were battling Devastator and then "poof" they're gone and Devastator is climbing a pyramid. Considering i actually kind of enjoyed them, it serves me to wonder if any official word has been stated on whether they were supposed to have survived or not?

I don't think they died, my guess is they stayed behind to help the guys that were in the helicopter and Leo.

That sounds the most plausible and is what i usually assume, but why would Devastator just leave them alone like that?

NuclearConvoy wrote:That sounds the most plausible and is what i usually assume, but why would Devastator just leave them alone like that?

Bigger question. Why is it that there's no damage to Devistator's face while on top of the pyramid when one of the twins just ripped a new mouth open moments before he started climbing said pyramid.

The reasoning behind attacking the Pyramid and not continueing to attack the twins is because Megatron ordered him to.

Rial Vestro wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:That sounds the most plausible and is what i usually assume, but why would Devastator just leave them alone like that?

Bigger question. Why is it that there's no damage to Devistator's face while on top of the pyramid when one of the twins just ripped a new mouth open moments before he started climbing said pyramid.

The reasoning behind attacking the Pyramid and not continueing to attack the twins is because Megatron ordered him to.

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Bloodlust wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:That sounds the most plausible and is what i usually assume, but why would Devastator just leave them alone like that?

Bigger question. Why is it that there's no damage to Devistator's face while on top of the pyramid when one of the twins just ripped a new mouth open moments before he started climbing said pyramid.

The reasoning behind attacking the Pyramid and not continueing to attack the twins is because Megatron ordered him to.

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This.

The thing that confuses me with the twins is the fact that they start off as a combiner yet no longer combine once they get their new alt modes. Also their combined form seems to be a similar size to the new forms that they take individually. The fact whether they could have died never crossed my mind, so I believe that they survived.

Lunar-tic wrote:The thing that confuses me with the twins is the fact that they start off as a combiner yet no longer combine once they get their new alt modes. Also their combined form seems to be a similar size to the new forms that they take individually. The fact whether they could have died never crossed my mind, so I believe that they survived.

Except the thing with the Twins is that normally Transformers combine to form more powerfull robots but the twins combine to form an ice cream truck which is an absolutly useless combined form so why have it? Pluse we saw in the scene how easy it was for them to come apart when they weren't co-operating which they never learned to do threwout the entire movie. My guess is that this wasn't the first time an insident like we saw had happened and that the reason they were called to the hanger was to give them the individual modes because they couldn't function properly as a combined vehicle.

Had the twins acted more mature and worked togeather insted of constantly fighting eachother the combined form would of worked just fine.

Rial Vestro wrote:Had the twins acted more mature and worked togeather insted of constantly fighting eachother the combined form would of worked just fine.

Except as you rightly pointed out, an ice-cream truck isn't really much use. So the real question is "Why have a combined form in the 1st place?" Hahaha.

Lunar-tic wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:Had the twins acted more mature and worked togeather insted of constantly fighting eachother the combined form would of worked just fine.

Except as you rightly pointed out, an ice-cream truck isn't really much use. So the real question is "Why have a combined form in the 1st place?" Hahaha.

Because no one ever suspects the Ice Cream truck.

Rial Vestro wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:That sounds the most plausible and is what i usually assume, but why would Devastator just leave them alone like that?

Bigger question. Why is it that there's no damage to Devistator's face while on top of the pyramid when one of the twins just ripped a new mouth open moments before he started climbing said pyramid.

The reasoning behind attacking the Pyramid and not continueing to attack the twins is because Megatron ordered him to.

That is a good question.

Rial Vestro wrote:Except the thing with the Twins is that normally Transformers combine to form more powerfull robots but the twins combine to form an ice cream truck which is an absolutly useless combined form so why have it?

Well I think to say "normally" is too strong a word.

The way I see it, the twins are like G1's "TRUE" first combiner.....Reflector.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:Except the thing with the Twins is that normally Transformers combine to form more powerfull robots but the twins combine to form an ice cream truck which is an absolutly useless combined form so why have it?

Well I think to say "normally" is too strong a word.

The way I see it, the twins are like G1's "TRUE" first combiner.....Reflector.

I'm not sure Reflector really counts as a combiner. Maybe this is different in the comics sence he does have 3 different names on the toy and maybe 3 different personalitys.

In the cartoon however Reflector was never refered to by his individual names and the 3 clones that formed his camera mode seemed to opperate as one hive mind not as individuals. Allthough this would be the only other case of multiple robots combineing to form an alt mode. (unless you allso want to count Han Solo and Chewbacca from the Star Wars Transformers toy line combineing to form the Millinum Falcon.)

Lunar-tic wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:Had the twins acted more mature and worked togeather insted of constantly fighting eachother the combined form would of worked just fine.

Except as you rightly pointed out, an ice-cream truck isn't really much use. So the real question is "Why have a combined form in the 1st place?" Hahaha.

Actully I was saying it's lack of use was due to the lack of co-operation between the two forming it hence my last comment there. But still even if they had co-operated what exactly is the point of a unified vehicle mode? I just do not understand this concept on any level.

Rial Vestro wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Rial Vestro wrote:Except the thing with the Twins is that normally Transformers combine to form more powerfull robots but the twins combine to form an ice cream truck which is an absolutly useless combined form so why have it?

Well I think to say "normally" is too strong a word.

The way I see it, the twins are like G1's "TRUE" first combiner.....Reflector.

I'm not sure Reflector really counts as a combiner. Maybe this is different in the comics sence he does have 3 different names on the toy and maybe 3 different personalitys.

In the cartoon however Reflector was never refered to by his individual names and the 3 clones that formed his camera mode seemed to opperate as one hive mind not as individuals. Allthough this would be the only other case of multiple robots combineing to form an alt mode. (unless you allso want to count Han Solo and Chewbacca from the Star Wars Transformers toy line combineing to form the Millinum Falcon.)

I could make a very good argument for why Reflector should be refered and is a combiner.....but ZI dont want to drag this thread down.

There are also a few examples of multible TF's forming 1 alt mode from both the Micro-master line and the Armada line...."StarSaber" anyone.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:There are also a few examples of multible TF's forming 1 alt mode from both the Micro-master line and the Armada line...."StarSaber" anyone.

Star Saber, Requium Blaster, and Skyboom Shield are not thier main alt modes though. The twins didn't have invidual vehilce modes they could use if they were ever seperated. Basically another reason why a combined vehicle really sucks. They'd be stuck in robot mode without the other one around.

The weapons however are formed by Mini-cons that all have a vehicle to robot transformation. Their combined form isn't even a vehicle but more like a Targetmaster Combiner if thoughs actully exsisted.

Rial Vestro wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:There are also a few examples of multible TF's forming 1 alt mode from both the Micro-master line and the Armada line...."StarSaber" anyone.

Star Saber, Requium Blaster, and Skyboom Shield are not thier main alt modes though. The twins didn't have invidual vehilce modes they could use if they were ever seperated. Basically another reason why a combined vehicle really sucks. They'd be stuck in robot mode without the other one around.

The weapons however are formed by Mini-cons that all have a vehicle to robot transformation. Their combined form isn't even a vehicle but more like a Targetmaster Combiner if thoughs actully exsisted.

True enough.

But the examples from the Micromaster line are spot on.

In the cartoon however Reflector was never refered to by his individual names and the 3 clones that formed his camera mode seemed to opperate as one hive mind not as individuals. Allthough this would be the only other case of multiple robots combineing to form an alt mode. (unless you allso want to count Han Solo and Chewbacca from the Star Wars Transformers toy line combineing to form the Millinum Falcon.

As to their survival, they seem to have Murphy on their side.