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This has probably been discussed several times already, but I watched it again a couple of times recently (the first times since it was in theaters actually), and like everyone else I noticed that Bonecrushers alt. mode showed up in the desert with the other decepticons. But as I continued watching I caught a flash of him again fighting the Autobots. When Ironhide and Arcee found Sam and Mikaela in the ruins, Arcee got shot in the face by a generic Decepticon, then more Decepticons showed up, including Bonecrusher who was hiding behind a couple of buildings in the background and shooting at Ironhide with a weapon on his arm (this also gives you a good look at how big he actually is as well).

It didn't make much sense at first, but after thinking about it I figured this: Frenzy got his head chopped off in the first movie and he lived, in the second movie Mixmaster got chopped in half and he lived... until Jetfire started chopping him up some more. Then Jetfire got gutted by Scorponok and was doing alright until he ripped his own spark chamber out. So I could easily see Bonecrusher putting himself back togeather and hiding out like the other Decepticons, then smuggling himself to Egypt to join the others.

So unless there was a Buffalo mine protected vehicle just randomly sitting around near a village outside of Cairo, I think it would be a safe bet that it's Bonecrusher and not just some other Decepticon. That and it's alot cooler to think he lived.

-Groovy

I think it's just another random Decepticon. They used Bonecrusher's model from the first movie to cut costs from making a whole new design, kinda like Gridor to Blackout.

I think it was Bonecrusher too, he only had his head taken off that would probably be an easy fix. All the other Decepticons that showed up at that part were protoforms, if they wanted to cut costs they could have just used one of them in his place.

I think it's a separate Decepticon. For one thing, when paused the legs of it are a little different from Bonecrusher's(more skinny and wheel-less).

zenosaurus_x wrote:I think it's a separate Decepticon. For one thing, when paused the legs of it are a little different from Bonecrusher's(more skinny and wheel-less).

I don't have much to add, save to say they did such major and entirely inexplicable redesigns on some of the other mechs (notably, the Space Dorito) that a tweak of Bonecrusher's design and still calling it Bonecrusher is about 50/50 with me with 'a tweak of BC's design = a new mech' (the Blackout/Grindor theory).

But just out of practicality's sake, his tire-feet would SUCK in the desert. I'd lose 'em too in a robot mode on soft sand.

HK, sand sucks!

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think it was Bonecrusher too, he only had his head taken off that would probably be an easy fix. All the other Decepticons that showed up at that part were protoforms, if they wanted to cut costs they could have just used one of them in his place.

That makes no sense. Why would they animate a whole other robot instead of filming a mine-clearing vehicle they already bought rolling around on its own?

Scatterlung wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think it was Bonecrusher too, he only had his head taken off that would probably be an easy fix. All the other Decepticons that showed up at that part were protoforms, if they wanted to cut costs they could have just used one of them in his place.

That makes no sense. Why would they animate a whole other robot instead of filming a mine-clearing vehicle they already bought rolling around on its own?

What? If you're talking about the Buffalo vehicle that was shown then that was the robot we're talking about.

I think the answer to this question is very easy. Why do you think that every new decepticon must be in a new vehicle form. As you know they need to scan a vehicle to become it. It's obvious that when you fall in the desert you don't have many choices of vehicles so you are in your original form or in a previously scanned form. I think that once the robots scan a vehicle they have it in their "database" and can use it multiple times. After all they are a highly technological race. That's why you see another blackout/grindor, bonecrusher and multiple constructicons. There is no restriction to copies.
This is the logical answer. It's another thing that it would have been better if we see only different forms like in the animations but a real movie is a whole different thing.

Regards.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I think it was Bonecrusher too, he only had his head taken off that would probably be an easy fix. All the other Decepticons that showed up at that part were protoforms, if they wanted to cut costs they could have just used one of them in his place.

I don't see it as a cost difference if they used a Bonecrusher design rather than a generic protoform. They didn't show the mine-clearing vehicle transform (which costs more money to actually animate), only its vehicle and then the robot mode separately. And maybe the reason why they used a Bonecrusher design rather than a generic protoform is to keep the Decepticon variety. Kinda like the same reason why they had multiple Constructicons and Gridor.

I'd say, if it wasn't him, it would've been a generic Decepticon.

I would say it wasn't him. It's not like he'd just sit where Prime killed him, NEST or something else would've disposed of him. Not to mention Prime would know if he could revive himself, and then kill him more to prevent it. It wouldn't make sense if all the decepticons just regenerated.