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In an article over at the Associated Press, actor Shia LaBeouf discusses his disappointment with the second movie.

LaBeouf goes on to discuss why he believes the movie failed, and includes some comments regarding director Michael Bay's style:

Shia LaBeouf wrote:Mike went so big that it became too big, and I think you lost the anchor of the movie.

With principal filming not even underway, will the criticisms of Transformers Revenge of the Fallen positively influence Transformers 3?

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This is kind of old news..Everybody knew that the cast for the most part wasn't happy with how ROTF was recieved by the cirtitcs and fans alike. I think that with TF3 starting up , everybody is airing the dirty laundry . I remember megan Fox started this trend a few months back.. Nonetheless it's good to see actors standing up and voicing how they felt about the movie..

The more I watched the less I liked it.. I started to noticed things I didn't before ..

Personally I feel the same way.....

well I sure as hell hope the third movie is the best. I like how Shia is very real about the film. It's his job and he takes it seriously. He know's that making movies isn't just **** you put together like ROTF.

The actors are told and payed to say their movie is awesome and everyone should go see it. I love that when a movie like ROTF sucks ass, the actors come out say it.

Don't kiss Bay's ass. He sucks at making movies.

Let's just hope this third movie is really good and it sounds like it's going to be serious. Killing humans, this should be a very good movie. A "real" war will happen now in the film if humans are being killed left and right.

Sounds very interesting, can't wait to hear more about this film. Hope it's a good one.

ConBotFormer wrote:well I sure as hell hope the third movie is the best. I like how Shia is very real about the film. It's his job and he takes it seriously. He know's that making movies isn't just **** you put together like ROTF.

The actors are told and payed to say their movie is awesome and everyone should go see it. I love that when a movie like ROTF sucks ass, the actors come out say it.

Don't kiss Bay's ass. He sucks at making movies.

Let's just hope this third movie is really good and it sounds like it's going to be serious. Killing humans, this should be a very good movie. A "real" war will happen now in the film if humans are being killed left and right. Sounds very interesting, can't wait to hear more about this film. Hope it's a good one.

Couldn't say it better myself

Well, I can see why he didn't like it, but when you get down to it the movie wasn't that bad...
The parts I didn't like weren't that it was "too big"(Movie One felt bigger to me) but were stupid things like Leo and Alice...and the *shivers* dogs....

Hmmm, kinda worried after reading that. I thought the biggest complaint about these movies was the "human" element. Now they want to add more? Doesn't seem like a good plan to me. I personally think it needs to spotlight the bots way more. I personally don't need more Leo, agent Sims and Mikaela stinking up these movies too. Oh well, least the explosions will be fun

Yeah, Leo(and Alice) are what ruined ROTF for me(luckily only watching the cool parts redeemed it).
MORE ROBOTS=BETTER....as long as they actually have personality...
I could deal with agent Simmons but Leo......his character doesn't really have any redeeming qualities, he's just so...lame...

You know, I wasn't even really bothered by the overblown action, large cast of human characters, tiny robot roles, and butchering of TF lore and character alike... Heck, I LIKE most of the human characters, at least the Witwickys and Simmons... it was the stupid toilet-humor and annoying/racially stereotypical twins that really killed it.

Does Devastator need balls that dangle and clank together?

Does Sam's dog/Wheelie/everything else need to go around humping people's legs?

Does Sam's mom need to be high all the time?

Did the Twins need to be retarded caricatures of rap video stereotypes? Did the movie even need Jar-Jar-esque characters like them at all?

No.

I'm all for humor in the franchise, it was a big part of the charm of G1, and some of the later series, but this is not the right kind. TFTM was alright in that aspect, aside from the piss joke( ), but ROTF just took it way too far.

Smarten up, Michael Bay, stop acting like you're in middle school. Take a lesson from High Moon Studios.

I haven't even bought the DVD yet, because I have no huge desire to add it to my collection... that says something.

it was the stupid toilet-humor and annoying/racist twins that really killed it.

Toilet-Humor=Not funny, at all....my dad said Simmon's uh....you know, scarred his mind...

But seriously, where are people coming from with "racist twins?" It's driving me insane....I don't find them racist and neither does anyone I know...
I actually liked the Twins, the only way they ruined it was screentime stealing(and some of what they said to Leo).

sabrigami wrote:Hmmm, kinda worried after reading that. I thought the biggest complaint about these movies was the "human" element. Now they want to add more? Doesn't seem like a good plan to me. I personally think it needs to spotlight the bots way more. I personally don't need more Leo, agent Sims and Mikaela stinking up these movies too. Oh well, least the explosions will be fun

I'm with you 100%, but just think about this for a minute. If the previous films had 1 dimensional characters, how do you think they could spotlight one of the robots? Trust me, I'd love it if they did, but they can't even add any depth or interest into the humans let alone any of the robots, I think it's asking a bit much of the film-makers imho, which is a bit sad really.

So I guess this news from Shia is further indication that all the new actors signing up to this film are part of a new push in the TF film franchise, more humans, more characterization, which is exactly what Bays films are always panned for not having, so good on them for actually trying to make everybody happy, (but you know how THAT always works out!?)

But more humans is exactly what the fans complained about in the first film! Too many humans! But when they tried to focus on the robots (ROTF), by adding more and more, it made for a critical failure of a film (even though it did gangbusters in ticket sales). I can just hear the film-makers now .. "You people aren't happy either way are you!?"

zenosaurus_x wrote:

it was the stupid toilet-humor and annoying/racist twins that really killed it.

Toilet-Humor=Not funny, at all....my dad said Simmon's uh....you know, scarred his mind...

But seriously, where are people coming from with "racist twins?" It's driving me insane....I don't find them racist and neither does anyone I know...
I actually liked the Twins, the only way they ruined it was screentime stealing(and some of what they said to Leo).

I didn't really word it properly... I've edited the post to reflect how I feel.

Ah ok, they just seemed more goofy to me...but still, my only complaint about them is their stealing of screentime, even from BumbleBee...

zenosaurus_x wrote:Ah ok, they just seemed more goofy to me...but still, my only complaint about them is their stealing of screentime, even from BumbleBee...

Yeah, they were really goofy, but in a really annoying way. Characters like that should be kept to smaller roles. I guess they were trying to make it appealing to kids or something, but the problem with that is the rest of the humor in ROTF is so inappropriate for children.

Yeah, which is pretty stupid as there's a toy line based off of it....
How are you supposed to sell to people who shouldn't/can't see the movie?

"On the Run"

Didn't you just steal the beginning from someone else?

Call me odd, but somehow that wasn't funny....

Guess i am part of the minoriy here, but i really liked ROTF.

DMSL wrote:Guess i am part of the minoriy here, but i really liked ROTF.

I really liked it too, I think people complain about it and trash it WAY too much. I don't think you're in the minority, it's just that the people who didn't like it are still hanging onto it. Hating Michael Bay has become a fad and I was sick of it 11 months ago when it started. People have been criticizing the movie for things every action movie does: defying the laws of physics, over-the-top effects, etc. The only complaint I find valid is the humor sucked. Even though the humping and wrecking balls didn't bother me, I'd like to see something better.

What they need to do is give the robots character

and here's an Idea. Go Bigger and lose the wanker. (You see what I did there)

Oh course Shia is going to say "What I think people want to see is the actor, there needs to be more of the actor in the next movie" He IS the actor in the next movie.

What Transformers need is Transformers otherwise it would be Shia La Boef and His Robot Friends: The Motion Picture and I don't think anyone wants to see that.

Less Fleshlings More Sci Fi.

Yer man there really does not get it, does he

When I saw the second movie, it blew the first one out of the water. I liked ROTF. I'm not ashamed to admit it. I did get very very sick of all the humans and their plot lines that really had no purpose.

Parents - Fine but phase them out fast.
Buddies - Fine but only if they are onscreen when in passing
Big name stars - Fine. Do like you did with the college professor.


i don't know. There's probably more but I am feeling sick from this cold.

the only thing that bugged me about Devastator's "balls" was their existance. none of the vehicles that formed him had a wrecking ball but yet he has not one but two? and we never see them before or after. i mean the twins, simmons and leo go right under him to stay safe and nobody noticed it then?

but its a scene that lasts maybe 5 seconds in a 2hour and 20min movie so yeah. lol

as for the "OMG THEY'RE SO RACIST" twins...i'd be willing to bet most people accusing them of that are white themselves (must be a white man guilt thing lol). the first movie established they learned english and the ways of earth from the internet so it makes sense that some of that saw all the "hip hop" stuff and took from that just like Jazz did in the first movie. plus, a black actor voiced one of the twins anyway so if he didnt see anything wrong then yeah.

Well, despite what I've said, I DID like ROTF alot....but the few parts I didn't like happened to be pretty awful parts...

I loved this movie. I really do not see what the problem is. People expect some Oscar winning movie. It's Transformers. I got what I want out of it and was happy. Robots beating the hell out of other robots.

I went to see the movie in a Japanese cinema with a bunch of non-transfan friends.

While I remained stony-faced throughout the various Leo/stoned mum/dog antics and physically winced at the leg-humping bit, people around me were laughing. Admittedly the Japanese sense of humour is often more slapstick than in the west but even my non-Japanese friends were laughing.

I hated those scenes and I personally wish they weren't there but Bay's not wrong in inserting such scenes if the general public loves them.