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What is the place Megatron flys to in Revenge where the Fallen is imprisoned, is it an old ship?

Was Megatron once a Prime? Cause in the first one Optimus calls him brother, and in Revenge the Primes refer to each other as brothers.

Anyone?

Megatron went to he Nemisis. And They are Primes, Megatron just betrayed everyone else.

Cool, thanks.

SlyTF1 wrote:Megatron went to he Nemisis. And They are Primes, Megatron just betrayed everyone else.

What is the Nemesis? I assume it's the G1 Decep "mother ship".

'Brother' was propably originally a change by Bay, intentionally done to surprise audiences (Cliche!!) but now counts as "Well, they're not actually Brothers, it's just that Optimus is so benevolent that he still sees Megzy as a Brother".

orriezaros wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Megatron went to he Nemisis. And They are Primes, Megatron just betrayed everyone else.

What is the Nemesis? I assume it's the G1 Decep "mother ship".

'Brother' was propably originally a change by Bay, intentionally done to surprise audiences (Cliche!!) but now counts as "Well, they're not actually Brothers, it's just that Optimus is so benevolent that he still sees Megzy as a Brother".

Plot twists aren't cliches! also, yes. It actually says "Decepticon Fleet Carrier" in the comics, and movie. Also, one has to wonder what The Fallen was doing all that time with Starscream.


Fallen: Have any threes?
Starscream: Go fish.

Couple more questions,

How is the Fallen able to lift up stuff? (The military vehicles and rocks.)

Also how is he able to teleport around, was he using a space bridge like Jetfire used?

I AM MEGATRON wrote:Couple more questions,

How is the Fallen able to lift up stuff? (The military vehicles and rocks.)

Also how is he able to teleport around, was he using a space bridge like Jetfire used?

My interpretation:
By willing it: Since the TFs are part robot they have an innate understanding and control of mathematics and physics that we need to work much harder to approach, and bodies and minds that can withstand things we consider extreme.
Maybe degeneration in Energon grades or advances in Cybertronian lifestyle progressed and caused some later TFs to stop needing to/being able to travel as far as the Primes did.Opening space-bridge like rifts above and below (or inside) an object could provide some kind of reverse-gravitation style effect that looks like levitation but has some other actual name or reality.

(These are guesses, obviously, but looking at the Matrix,which is assumably the absolute amalgamation of everything the TFs can either do or reach to do:-it can convert itself to dust, then reassemble. (a transformation providing the illusion of disintergration with no real damage to the object?).Also, the Primes' had no trouble communicating with Sam across distances.(Note the film can be read to imply that the Primes also knew from the beginning that Jetfire would give of himself at the end to revive Optimus).

Alternatively, maybe some TFs are still using Alt. modes from races met previously to humans, and the engineering features of those races incorporated the effects we see the fallen use as a standard component.In this case, non militant-born bots (Basically,the 'peasants',if you will)would have a pre-determined inclination to lean towards either workhorse oriented or recreational oriented alt.mode features (eg: G1 smokescreen with his stunt driving upgrades, G1 Jazz with the speakers,G1 Huffer with the anti corrosive paintjob) that, over the millennia,'caused the super-fancy abilities (as pertaining to weapons) to be forgotten amongst the lower castes'.

(EDIT: The above paragraphs' last 2 lines assume TFs have access to use of internal organ type subcomponents that can be given instructions during new AltMode scans to 'sub-transform' into particular optional upgrades.
For example, Imaginary Movieverse Hot Shot, of amalgamated G2,G3 and Armada homage, appears as a young bot who is interested in recreational AltModes, but who is also familiar with the requirements of warfare.He fights on Cybertron with an alien sport mode equipped with a magnet system that can control fire and flames at will [It's mentioned on his oldest tech spec], a visor upgrade (Armada) and a Bazooka subtransformation located in his front axle parts (Armada,but it's unclear to me whether or not he could utilise this without a Minicon or Planet Key so maybe it's a completely different, dormant anatomical feature).
When Hot Shot goes back to Protoform to journey to Earth,he loses the external alien sport look, but can keep the Fire magnetizer and other extra features if he wants since it's an internal organ that does the job of retaining Transformation memory for him-it's a completely seperate backup memory file.
On Earth, he chooses whatever look he wants,and can still use the fire magnetizer,Visor and (maybe) Bazooka,tho later he decides Decepticons are getting too good and he needs a NitroBoost ability to keep himself above their level.He can instruct any subcomponent to Transform into a nitro boost system which also gives him,let's say, a Dash ability in Bot Mode, and selects the Fire Magnetizing gizmo to be the one to go in order to make room for the Nitro upgrade: BUT if he does this, he can never reconfigure his Subcomponent to Transform back into a fire magnet thingy unless he can find a working model to scan again,(a mimicked example on another TF won't do) therefore the tech is propably lost to him for as long as he stays on Earth, provided the guys who invented the fire magnet are not extinct,in which case it's most likely lost forever.

(Note also that plenty of war types such as Sunstreaker, Megzy, Armada General Jetfire and Grimlock considered Combat to be a form of recreation, but had different interpretations of which type of combat was fun (or what's fun about it), and others, such as Trailbreaker,Hound,Hoist and Ratchet have no problem seeing themselves as a weapon without needing to really switch from a work mode to a combat mode,or swap out work upgrades for combat upgrades, point being maybe only the fallen considered levitation to be an effective weapon tho there are more who can still mimic it/recreate its' effect).

I AM MEGATRON wrote:Couple more questions,

How is the Fallen able to lift up stuff? (The military vehicles and rocks.)

Also how is he able to teleport around, was he using a space bridge like Jetfire used?

Hes using processor over matter, they use it in TF Animated all the time in season 3. And since he is one of the first 13 Primes, he was hand created by Primus meaning he has more capabilities than most TFs

Thanks guys, and some more questions too,

Why didn't they use the All Spark shard to bring back Jazz?

Is the red stuff coming from the transformers when they're hit and stuff blood?

Why didn't the Decepticons just cut the Fallen free from those cables or whatever? Would he blow up if they did?

How did the Fallen know before anyone else did that Sam had the shard's power and knowledge in his mind?

If the Primes don't destroy a planet's sun when the planet has life on it, then why were they building the machine on Earth in the first place?

I AM MEGATRON wrote:Thanks guys, and some more questions too,

Why didn't they use the All Spark shard to bring back Jazz?

Is the red stuff coming from the transformers when they're hit and stuff blood?

Why didn't the Decepticons just cut the Fallen free from those cables or whatever? Would he blow up if they did?

How did the Fallen know before anyone else did that Sam had the shard's power and knowledge in his mind?

If the Primes don't destroy a planet's sun when the planet has life on it, then why were they building the machine on Earth in the first place?

1. Jazz was a minor character, they tend to stay dead

2. It was supposedly some form of life support or a prison that he couldn't leave until prime was dead

3. It's the Fallen, he knew more about the allspark, and perhaps could sense what happened to it, but not it's location....

4. The Fallen held nothing but contempt for the human race, he disobeyed their orders and that's what brought about the other primes sacrificing themselves to keep the matrix safe.

I've got a question as well. Who were those jets that circled around the pyramid in the final battle scene, right as Optimus Prime had combined and was heading for the fallen and Megatron?

question, i have become a fan of transformers because of the movies. so who are the wreakers?

Hi guys. I certainly don't have all the answers, but tfwiki.net is a great resource.

For example, there was a question about the Wreckers...

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Wreckers

I'm sure you'll all find quite a bit of information here.

ah ha! thanks bro!
who do you guys think the wreckers will be?
i bet the the fire engine truck will be ultra magnus.
i one of the other wreckers is drift!

More questions, I'm full of them.

What does Wheelie keep shooting out of his a$$?

Couldn't Ratchet have showed some remorse for poor ol Jetfire, than just be interested in getting his parts on Optimus?

Why didn't they just shoot the energon harvester, and the Fallen with the rail gun?

Does the Fallen have any guns, or is his staff his only weapon?

Why did the Prime's imprison the Fallen on a Decepticon ship instead of in a prison on Cybertron where they could keep an eye on him?

So the Primes had the pyramid built around the Energon Harvester to hide it, or did the Eyptians build it around it, and if they did, why would they?

Where did Wheelie run off to during the Egypt battle?

There are two Mixmaster's, or at least two Cement Mixer trucks? The one combined to Devastator, and the one Jetfire kills.

What's up with that one Decepticon roaring or whatever it's doing?

Soundwave lauches two Ravage's or can Ravage fly around?

Does the Decepticon that the Microcons combine into have a name?

Does Optimus get off on taking other transormers faces and heads?

I think I found a picture of Jetfire's father, is this him with his weapon?



Am I the only one that think's the Fallen was killed to easily? The way he was took out any Transformer could've done it, not just a Prime.

Have Jetfire and the other Prime's never heard of Omega and Rodimus, and any other living Primes I forgot?

I AM MEGATRON wrote:More questions, I'm full of them.

1. What does Wheelie keep shooting out of his a$$?

2. Couldn't Ratchet have showed some remorse for poor ol Jetfire, than just be interested in getting his parts on Optimus?

3. Why didn't they just shoot the energon harvester, and the Fallen with the rail gun?

4. Does the Fallen have any guns, or is his staff his only weapon?

5. Why did the Prime's imprison the Fallen on a Decepticon ship instead of in a prison on Cybertron where they could keep an eye on him?

6. So the Primes had the pyramid built around the Energon Harvester to hide it, or did the Eyptians build it around it, and if they did, why would they?

7. Where did Wheelie run off to during the Egypt battle?

8. There are two Mixmaster's, or at least two Cement Mixer trucks? The one combined to Devastator, and the one Jetfire kills.

9. What's up with that one Decepticon roaring or whatever it's doing?

10. Soundwave lauches two Ravage's or can Ravage fly around?

11. Does the Decepticon that the Microcons combine into have a name?

12. Does Optimus get off on taking other transormers faces and heads?

13. I think I found a picture of Jetfire's father, is this him with his weapon?



14. Am I the only one that think's the Fallen was killed to easily? The way he was took out any Transformer could've done it, not just a Prime.

15. Have Jetfire and the other Prime's never heard of Omega and Rodimus, and any other living Primes I forgot?

1. I don't recall him shooting much of anything out of his...exhaust port. If I had to guess, exhaust fumes or fire. But I'd have to rewatch ROTF to know what you're refering to.

2. Considering the fact that the Fallen was moments away from activating the Havester, I think taking the time to mourn the loss of a robot he never actually spoke to might have been an unwise way to kill time.

3. Because having Prime take the Matrix of Leadership and Jetfire's "upgrades" and destroying the Harvester and the Fallen was a much more exciting and climactic ended, as opposed to a gun just blowing it all up from miles away.

4. We only see him with his staff. But I wouldn't be surprised if he is packing heat.

5. They didn't. They imprisoned him in some extra-dimensional prison. He communicated to Megatron from there, and Megatron was working to free him. Or something like that. It all happened in a tie-in/prequel comic to the film, and I'm not sure on the specifics. But I'm pretty sure he was on the Nemesis because Megatron moved the Fallen's tomb/prison onto the ship to safeguard his master.

6. I think the Egyptians built it, both as a way to hide the Harvester and because they worshipped the Primes as gods.

7. He wouldn't have been much help anyways. So wherever he ran to, at least he stayed out of the way.

8. There are multiples of all the Constructicons. Two Mixmasters: One forming Devastator we never see transform, the other that Jetfire destroys. Two Rampages: a yellow one that forms Devastator, and a red one that fights Bumblebee. Two Long Hauls: One seen fighting in robot mode, another in vehicle mode that forms Devastator, etc. Devastator himself includes several undocumented Constructicons in his formation. Several are unnamed, and Overload is notorious for being ommitted in several of his toys.

9. Maybe it's his way of intimidation. Or a battle cry. Or he's just found out that Padme died.

10. The one at the base and then him being present at the battle in Egypt? Chalk that one up to Ravage being a fast runner.

11. He's credited as Reedman, with his voice provided by Frank Welker.

12. Yes, he does. It's a fettish of his. At least he isn't into the REALLY kinky stuff.

13. As long as the wheel in the picture doesn't transform...

14. Well, Prime did have the Matrix and Jetfire's Seeker Upgrade. So I don't think "any transformer" could have defeated him. But a lenghtier battle would have been nice.

15. Omega as in Omega Supreme? He isn't a Prime, just a very ancient, very, very powerful Transformer. And Rodimus is Optimus' successor, not predecessor, so Rodimus most likely wont come until later.

Hope that helps.

It does thanks.

"10. The one at the base and then him being present at the battle in Egypt? Chalk that one up to Ravage being a fast runner."

And the one that flew to the ship to get the Constructicons to get Megatron.

You guessed it, more questions.

1. Why do the Constructicons act so animalistic as Devastator? It's like they lose their minds.

2. Did anyone else besides me want to see Long Haul do a belly flop off the ship into the ocean? I bet they cut it!

3. Are the names of any of the seven Primes, and the Fallen's original Prime name known?

4. Where was the Fallen when it was being broadcasted?

5. Why didn't the refrigerator become a transformer like the other Appliances did?

6. Which decepticon is the one hanging on the Empire State Building acting like he's King Kong?

7. Which decepticons crashed into the Aircraft Carrier with the Fallen?

8. Does Starscream really fire upon Megatron during the Mission City battle?

9. Is Frenzy mentally challenged?

"12. Yes, he does. It's a fettish of his. At least he isn't into the REALLY kinky stuff."

Yeah, at least he isn't like the Fallen, he likes claiming people's sons, dirty ole Decepticon.

One more question,

If the Matrix of Leadership is earned and not found then how could the Fallen have used it if he found it first, or why was he able to use it for that matter after getting it from Prime?

It's not like he would've earned it.

I AM MEGATRON wrote:One more question,

If the Matrix of Leadership is earned and not found then how could the Fallen have used it if he found it first, or why was he able to use it for that matter after getting it from Prime?

It's not like he would've earned it.

That's a sentiment from the original storylines.

I guess each of the Movieverse Primes have the capability to put the Matrix to use. Earning and not finding it might be an issue directed to all the later Bots-it prevents the first nincompoop who finds it from nuking the world he's standing on. Being forced to earn the matrix means being able to respect the availabity of ultimate power.

I AM MEGATRON wrote:You guessed it, more questions.

1. Why do the Constructicons act so animalistic as Devastator? It's like they lose their minds.

2. Did anyone else besides me want to see Long Haul do a belly flop off the ship into the ocean? I bet they cut it!

3. Are the names of any of the seven Primes, and the Fallen's original Prime name known?

4. Where was the Fallen when it was being broadcasted?

5. Why didn't the refrigerator become a transformer like the other Appliances did?

6. Which decepticon is the one hanging on the Empire State Building acting like he's King Kong?

7. Which decepticons crashed into the Aircraft Carrier with the Fallen?

8. Does Starscream really fire upon Megatron during the Mission City battle?

9. Is Frenzy mentally challenged?

1. Their minds are broken down to their instinct basics,so they basically aren't sentient anymore.

2. Nope, never crossed my mind.

3. No. No one knows their names

4. The Nemesis, i'm guessing.

5. Too big? I don't know.

6. Starscream, i thinks. He's just having some fun.

7. A lot of generics.

8. Possibly. a lot of people thinks so, including me!

9. Yes. Yes he is.

SlyTF1 wrote:Megatron went to he Nemisis. And They are Primes, Megatron just betrayed everyone else.

Actually as far as I know they never said in the films that Megatron was a "PRIME".

And they never really revealed in the films what was ment when Optimus called him a brother.