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I am sorry to all of you who dislike the movies, but I am sick and tired of those who dislike the movies that must proclaim their wishes to BOYCOTT or eradicate the continuity itself, or those who claim "it is not Transformers".
There are a number of us who actually enjoy the movies and the entire continuity, and the influence it has made on other Transformers continuities and we do not want that taken away, so why must it be removed? And why is it "not Transformers"?
I say the movieverse is as Transformers as Generation 1, the Beast Era, Robots in Disguise, and the Unicron Trilogy. I don't see how it can be a totally unrelated series using the same names, likenesses, and elements of its former counterparts.
I am asking fellow movie fans to post and show those of you who despise the movies that there are movie fans that recognize the series as great and do not want it to be taken away from us. I am proposing we boycott the boycott of the movieverse. I say if you boycott the movieverse, or Animated, or any one Transformers continuity, you boycott the entire franchise, and make it less enjoyable for the loyal fans of that continuity. I say if you don't enjoy it, don't worry about it. Leave it alone.
I would've posted this in the movie section but then only movie fans would get to read my statement, and then my point could not be proved.
Let's keep the movieverse for all that enjoy it and not let anyone take it from us!

OptiMagnus10 wrote:I am sorry to all of you who dislike the movies, but I am sick and tired of those who dislike the movies that must proclaim their wishes to BOYCOTT or eradicate the continuity itself, or those who claim "it is not Transformers".
There are a number of us who actually enjoy the movies and the entire continuity, and the influence it has made on other Transformers continuities and we do not want that taken away, so why must it be removed? And why is it "not Transformers"?
I say the movieverse is as Transformers as Generation 1, the Beast Era, Robots in Disguise, and the Unicron Trilogy. I don't see how it can be a totally unrelated series using the same names, likenesses, and elements of its former counterparts.
I am asking fellow movie fans to post and show those of you who despise the movies that there are movie fans that recognize the series as great and do not want it to be taken away from us. I am proposing we boycott the boycott of the movieverse. I say if you boycott the movieverse, or Animated, or any one Transformers continuity, you boycott the entire franchise, and make it less enjoyable for the loyal fans of that continuity. I say if you don't enjoy it, don't worry about it. Leave it alone.
I would've posted this in the movie section but then only movie fans would get to read my statement, and then my point could not be proved.
Let's keep the movieverse for all that enjoy it and not let anyone take it from us!

So, your boycotting the boycotting of the movieverse? Got a double negative going here.

Anyways. I haven't seen any anti-movie fans in a while... or at least one who outright HATES Bay and his awesomeness. Is this really nessecary OM10?

ummmm dude, get over it.

Seriously.

People dislike the movies, they've been bashing them before the first one came out.

Nothing you say or do will change that.

If people want to boycott the movies, they can do that.

If you want to boycott the boycott, you can do that.

I'll leave this thread open for now, but i'm sure other Mods will be watching it as much I to make sure no flames break out.

Burn wrote:
If you want to boycott the boycott, you can do that.

I'll leave this thread open for now, but i'm sure other Mods will be watching it as much I to make sure no flames break out.

Ah...I figured you'd show up Burn. I just run into you a lot.

Well, duh. That's why I'm doing it. I am simply exercising my freedom of speech, and I ask that it be left to me.
I was also curious to see if any "Baybasher" would argue with this, because I would be surprised to see if anyone was actually infuriated enough with the movieverse to actually be enraged that it be kept.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:Ah...I figured you'd show up Burn. I just run into you a lot.

I'm a Mod. I'm around a lot.

I was also curious to see if any "Baybasher" would argue with this

Might want to re-word that because it sounds like you're trying to flamebait.

And to be honest, i'd hate to see you get into trouble because from a personal perspective, you've been a great addition to the discussions around here.

Seriously mate, you seem to be taking a lot of the negative opinions far too seriously. Don't let that happen, it's just not worth it.

Burn wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:Ah...I figured you'd show up Burn. I just run into you a lot.

I'm a Mod. I'm around a lot.

I was also curious to see if any "Baybasher" would argue with this

Might want to re-word that because it sounds like you're trying to flamebait.

And to be honest, i'd hate to see you get into trouble because from a personal perspective, you've been a great addition to the discussions around here.

Seriously mate, you seem to be taking a lot of the negative opinions far too seriously. Don't let that happen, it's just not worth it.

I know you're a mod, but some tend to stay out of the conversation. I like when they add their own thoughts to the forums.
Maybe I meant to say that I was curious to hear from someone else who wants the movies boycotted, to see an example of the other side and why they think that way. I always want to see the other side of the argument from their persepective, too. I am a curious person at heart when it comes to information and knowledge. I know I get yelled at a lot for wanting "good reasons" and "excuses", but those are just results of that.
And yes, after posting the statment there that you quoted, I was afraid a mod like you would take it as bait and suspend my privileges or something. I never get in trouble...EVER...for anything, and I intend to keep my good name. Although I am defensive and opinionated naturally. Thanks for the compliment, I at least try to contribute well to the discussions, and I never mean to be harsh.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:And yes, after posting the statment there that you quoted, I was afraid a mod like you would take it as bait and suspend my privileges or something.

1 - A Mod "like me"? Care to explain that one?

2 - We have a three strike system mate. Gotta have three warnings before you get privileges taken away and you're no where near even receiving one warning.

And i'll tell you now, if you haven't gotten the thoughts on someone who dislikes the movie enough to boycott, then you obviously haven't read the forums enough.

Simple fact, people like the movies, or they don't like the movies. Take it from someone who's been here since before the first movie came out, trying to understand the other side is just too much of a headache.

Burn wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:And yes, after posting the statment there that you quoted, I was afraid a mod like you would take it as bait and suspend my privileges or something.

1 - A Mod "like me"? Care to explain that one?

2 - We have a three strike system mate. Gotta have three warnings before you get privileges taken away and you're no where near even receiving one warning.

1- Yeah, I forgot. You're one of your own kind...
2- I must not have read that part through enough. You see, I'm on Playstation Network too and they basically have a zero tolerence policy for some rules (which, in many ways, is good). So, I assumed everywhere else is the same. Well, I guess I don't have to worry. I'm not here for war.

Sometimes I wish people were a little more tolerant, the diversity of the franchise is something to be celebrated not chastised.

MightyMagnus78 wrote:Sometimes I wish people were a little more tolerant, the diversity of the franchise is something to be celebrated not chastised.

That's the way I think now. You see, when a friend of mine showed me the first previews of Animated, I thought: "OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE THEY DONE!" So, I only bought one toy and eventually thought: "SCREW ANIMATED! It's so stupid!" Then, I came across Animated Ultra Magnus. I got him, then I got voyager Prime, then I actually watched a few episodes, and it took off.
Being the die-hard movie fan I am, I think I'm doing some good in trying to help fellow Transfans become more open and tolerant of the movies and other "controversial" continuities. But, most people see my actions as "corruption". But, as Burn told me many times, I probably will never do anything to change their opinion. I just wish all of us would embrace the diversity and evolution of the franchise. I believe it would be more enjoyable for all that way.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

MightyMagnus78 wrote:Sometimes I wish people were a little more tolerant, the diversity of the franchise is something to be celebrated not chastised.

That's the way I think now. You see, when a friend of mine showed me the first previews of Animated, I thought: "OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE THEY DONE!" So, I only bought one toy and eventually thought: "SCREW ANIMATED! It's so stupid!" Then, I came across Animated Ultra Magnus. I got him, then I got voyager Prime, then I actually watched a few episodes, and it took off.
Being the die-hard movie fan I am, I think I'm doing some good in trying to help fellow Transfans become more open and tolerant of the movies and other "controversial" continuities. But, most people see my actions as "corruption". But, as Burn told me many times, I probably will never do anything to change their opinion. I just wish all of us would embrace the diversity and evolution of the franchise. I believe it would be more enjoyable for all that way.

I'm well aware of the animated problem, but i haven't seen any hardcore Bay Haters, only those who say "eh, it's not that great." And besides, even if there was a small group of fans who won't watch the movies, it wouldn't make a difference in hell because millions- if not BILLIONS- of people will still go and see this awesome movie. The hardcore fans- i'm sorry to say- are a minority. Don't worry about those who won't accept the movieverse OM10... just go on with your life.

MightyMagnus78 wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

JetOptimus23 wrote:
I'm well aware of the animated problem, but i haven't seen any hardcore Bay Haters, only those who say "eh, it's not that great."

I must be the only one that runs into the hardcore Bay haters around here, because no one else seems to. I swear I ran into one this week.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:I am sorry to all of you who dislike the movies, but I am sick and tired of those who dislike the movies that must proclaim their wishes to BOYCOTT or eradicate the continuity itself, or those who claim "it is not Transformers".
There are a number of us who actually enjoy the movies and the entire continuity, and the influence it has made on other Transformers continuities and we do not want that taken away, so why must it be removed? And why is it "not Transformers"?
I say the movieverse is as Transformers as Generation 1, the Beast Era, Robots in Disguise, and the Unicron Trilogy. I don't see how it can be a totally unrelated series using the same names, likenesses, and elements of its former counterparts.
I am asking fellow movie fans to post and show those of you who despise the movies that there are movie fans that recognize the series as great and do not want it to be taken away from us. I am proposing we boycott the boycott of the movieverse. I say if you boycott the movieverse, or Animated, or any one Transformers continuity, you boycott the entire franchise, and make it less enjoyable for the loyal fans of that continuity. I say if you don't enjoy it, don't worry about it. Leave it alone.
I would've posted this in the movie section but then only movie fans would get to read my statement, and then my point could not be proved.
Let's keep the movieverse for all that enjoy it and not let anyone take it from us!

I think this is hysterical. No one is supposed to bad-mouth the movies, but it's fine to open threads on a pretty regular basis about how people who are fans of the movies shouldn't be put down or whatever because they are fans of the movies? After 4 years, everyone's supposed to be finished objecting to things they didn't like, but we have no such statute on talking about how fans are somehow persecuted for liking them? But it's not like we're baiting or anything....not at all, when threads are opened to invite movie dislikers to openly voice disagreement over the movies so as to be refuted by movie fans, but if someone opens a thread and says "Here's something I didn't like about the movies...." the first 14 posts are about how they should be over not liking the movie after all this time.

Gee, I don't know, maybe people didn't like it, or don't like it, and there really isn't much outside of their own personal opinion that's going to change that. Can't someone not like the stupid movies? After all, it's been 4 years, maybe we oughta stop trying to force enjoyment on people who didn't like them. Freedom being the right of all sentient beings, means I've got a right to not like the stupid movie. If haters shouldn't be allowed to try to convince everyone it sucked, then the same should be true for fans.

I can tell you that I have run into some pretty hard core movie haters, but I don't let that get me down. I've watched those two movies on DVD ALOT, and I rather enjoyed Revenge of the Fallen - maybe not because I thought it was a great movie (it wasn't) but it had lots of great ideas in it (admittedly not well executed, but it got my imagination going!).

The new movie gets a lot of dislike - and we don't even know what it's about yet nor have we even seen a trailer, clip or movie poster (well, that one of Shockwave maybe - but we don't even know if that's an official one). Think about all the fans out there who have decided not to like Transformers: Prime based on the tiny little clips that were posted. "Optimus Prime looks weird, so I'm not watching it". I think it's pretty common for people to just jump on whatever bandwagon others are jumping on to fit in, or whatever - heck, I don't know what their reasons are.

Me being the eternal optimist, I want to experience it for myself. I'm not the type to let someone else decide for me what I should like or not like. I'm looking forward to the new movie and I'm not going to let anyone tell me it stinks or not before I see it. It's just not going to ruin the experience for me. Even if it's bad, I'll enjoy it and find things I really liked.

Besides, I can't not watch the new movie - it's a trilogy! Who just watched Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring and not the rest of the series? No one - unless they're goobers!

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Gee, I don't know, maybe people didn't like it, or don't like it, and there really isn't much outside of their own personal opinion that's going to change that. Can't someone not like the stupid movies? After all, it's been 4 years, maybe we oughta stop trying to force enjoyment on people who didn't like them. Freedom being the right of all sentient beings, means I've got a right to not like the stupid movie. If haters shouldn't be allowed to try to convince everyone it sucked, then the same should be true for fans.

EVERYONE: Stop going back to this. I am not forcing people who don't like the movies enjoy it. I have heard very strange stories of people that do, though. If you don't like the movies, I don't care, I have some pet peeves with them too.
I would just like to know what the movies did to YOU that affects you so much that you become enraged with others' enjoyment of it, and that it is ruining Transformers, and that is disqualified from being Transformers, and that it MUST be eradicated from the world. If someone just says: "I don't personally like the movies", then what can I say? Nothing, because that person isn't doing anything to me. But...when I make a post that compliments the movie toyline, and someone feels the need to scream at me for defending the "****" I like, and tells me to leave the forum, then yeah I am not going to sit down in a dark corner in the back and be silent.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Gee, I don't know, maybe people didn't like it, or don't like it, and there really isn't much outside of their own personal opinion that's going to change that. Can't someone not like the stupid movies? After all, it's been 4 years, maybe we oughta stop trying to force enjoyment on people who didn't like them. Freedom being the right of all sentient beings, means I've got a right to not like the stupid movie. If haters shouldn't be allowed to try to convince everyone it sucked, then the same should be true for fans.

EVERYONE: Stop going back to this. I am not forcing people who don't like the movies enjoy it. I have heard very strange stories of people that do, though. If you don't like the movies, I don't care, I have some pet peeves with them too.
I would just like to know what the movies did to YOU that affects you so much that you become enraged with others' enjoyment of it, and that it is ruining Transformers, and that is disqualified from being Transformers, and that it MUST be eradicated from the world. If someone just says: "I don't personally like the movies", then what can I say? Nothing, because that person isn't doing anything to me. But...when I make a post that compliments the movie toyline, and someone feels the need to scream at me for defending the "****" I like, and tells me to leave the forum, then yeah I am not going to sit down in a dark corner in the back and be silent.

For starters, Happy Thanksgiving.
Secondly, I don't understand, and never have understood, why these topics keep coming up. I'm beyond my stance of not having to like the movies, because it is very, very obvious that neither side will ever be swayed. I'm probably never going to like it, and people who do will probably never stop accusing me of living in the past because I dont like it. I actually do live in a basement apartment and my beard occasionally does spread to my neck if I don't shave over, say a four day weekend, so there. I just made it easier for people to call me a basement dwelling neckbeard and be correct about it.
This arguement is always all about liking something that I don't like, that's it. The movie made a ton of money, the toys have sold tons, even with the bad reviews and the months and months of shelfwarmers, and repaints of shelfwarmers.
Should people be ignorant and say it's stupid of you to defend the movie verse? No, that's assinine, but so is always talking about how people are ignorant for essentially disagreeing with your opinion. Honestly, do we really take it so seriously when people say that a movie should be stripped out of existence? Like when people were saying Bay should be deported and there was an uproar about how inconsiderate an action that would be? They can't repatriate Roman Polanski for actually doing some thing awful, but an action director can be deported? And people took that seriously?
That's what I find so funny, that people really take these obviously stupid comments to heart. I really love pumpkin pie, and ifthere's no pumpkin pie at my thanksgiving dinner tonight I will jump out of a window. IS anyone taking that seriously, who's alerting the authorities? It's the same thing as saying the movie verse should be eliminated or the Bay should be deported. I'd kill for a bowl of Count Chocula right about now, but I don;t think anyone needs to fear for their safety.
I enjoy the posts you make Optimagnus, I think you're clearly a fan and have a vested interest in the franchise. Your enthusiasm for Transformers is easily apparent, which is the reason we all gather here, and I'm always reading your posts and am hardly ever disappointed by what I read. But a topic like this is completely about people not being ok with someone not liking something. Like, I'm sorry you feel that people unduly bad mouth this thing you like, but they are entitled to that, and the idea that that upsets someone else really shouldn't affect someone's opinion. I don't have to like something I don't like just because it upsets you that people don't like it.

Dagon wrote:I really love pumpkin pie, and ifthere's no pumpkin pie at my thanksgiving dinner tonight I will jump out of a window. IS anyone taking that seriously, who's alerting the authorities?

What? No pumpkin pie? That's sacrilege! I'm calling the police right now!

But more on topic...

I think I've seen every incarnation of Transformers outside of the comics. I like some more than others, and obviously like G1 more than all because "it was real to me." And it came first when I was a kid.

The movies strike me as being a good offshoot of G1, but different. Nothing seems forced, rather there are new ideas and new takes on the characters. So I love watching both movies as much as some of my favorite episodes of G1.

I liken this to the Gundam franchise. There are multiple universes in the Gundam world, and each has a different take on the same concepts of Gundam, war, it's causes, effects, and the people involved. And then there is the Super Deformed kids show. It's weird, but it's fun. It's all good, really.

I think when the Transformers franchise is viewed like that, there is no need for hate, and while there will be disagreement because we all don't like the same things, at least one series will make most of us happy, if not all of us, and there is something for everyone of all ages. That's common ground enough for me.

While not necessarily perfectly executed, the point of the Unicron Trilogy (as stated in Cyberton) was that there can be multiple versions of Transformers all coexisting in one awesome toy line. And that's really what matters most to me.

Happy Thanksgiving, and thanks for The Transformers!

Dagon wrote:For starters, Happy Thanksgiving.
Secondly, I don't understand, and never have understood, why these topics keep coming up. I'm beyond my stance of not having to like the movies, because it is very, very obvious that neither side will ever be swayed. I'm probably never going to like it, and people who do will probably never stop accusing me of living in the past because I dont like it. I actually do live in a basement apartment and my beard occasionally does spread to my neck if I don't shave over, say a four day weekend, so there. I just made it easier for people to call me a basement dwelling neckbeard and be correct about it.
This arguement is always all about liking something that I don't like, that's it. The movie made a ton of money, the toys have sold tons, even with the bad reviews and the months and months of shelfwarmers, and repaints of shelfwarmers.
Should people be ignorant and say it's stupid of you to defend the movie verse? No, that's assinine, but so is always talking about how people are ignorant for essentially disagreeing with your opinion. Honestly, do we really take it so seriously when people say that a movie should be stripped out of existence? Like when people were saying Bay should be deported and there was an uproar about how inconsiderate an action that would be? They can't repatriate Roman Polanski for actually doing some thing awful, but an action director can be deported? And people took that seriously?
That's what I find so funny, that people really take these obviously stupid comments to heart. I really love pumpkin pie, and ifthere's no pumpkin pie at my thanksgiving dinner tonight I will jump out of a window. IS anyone taking that seriously, who's alerting the authorities? It's the same thing as saying the movie verse should be eliminated or the Bay should be deported. I'd kill for a bowl of Count Chocula right about now, but I don;t think anyone needs to fear for their safety.
I enjoy the posts you make Optimagnus, I think you're clearly a fan and have a vested interest in the franchise. Your enthusiasm for Transformers is easily apparent, which is the reason we all gather here, and I'm always reading your posts and am hardly ever disappointed by what I read. But a topic like this is completely about people not being ok with someone not liking something. Like, I'm sorry you feel that people unduly bad mouth this thing you like, but they are entitled to that, and the idea that that upsets someone else really shouldn't affect someone's opinion. I don't have to like something I don't like just because it upsets you that people don't like it.

Well, buddy, I do hope you had your pumpkin pie. It would be wrong not to have that on Thanksgiving. But back to what you said about taking things seriously. Yes, I do agree with your point 100%, but when I talk about people that yell at me like they do, I am very sure they aren't kidding, because they don't use any funny smileys or wording that tell me that. If these people are kidding then they have an odd sense of humor in my opinion. Also, I don't usually say people are stuck in the past unless they compare everything they absolutely don't like to G1, because I just don't think anything post-G1 needs to be compared to the past. They're new concepts, and new ideas, they aren't supposed to be G1.
I also thank you for the compliment, because I am rather afraid that I am a generally disliked member here because of tendancy to speak my thoughts when I'm bothered. And I must admit you're right about everything here, because everyone has the right to dislike whatever they want, and I guess when I got into the whole forum thing for the first time I wasn't expecting others to be so critical of my opinions, and I really wasn't fully aware of what I was entering. I now apologize for posting this thread, and I realize how ignorant it is.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:Well, buddy, I do hope you had your pumpkin pie. It would be wrong not to have that on Thanksgiving. But back to what you said about taking things seriously. Yes, I do agree with your point 100%, but when I talk about people that yell at me like they do, I am very sure they aren't kidding, because they don't use any funny smileys or wording that tell me that. If these people are kidding then they have an odd sense of humor in my opinion. Also, I don't usually say people are stuck in the past unless they compare everything they absolutely don't like to G1, because I just don't think anything post-G1 needs to be compared to the past. They're new concepts, and new ideas, they aren't supposed to be G1.
I also thank you for the compliment, because I am rather afraid that I am a generally disliked member here because of tendancy to speak my thoughts when I'm bothered. And I must admit you're right about everything here, because everyone has the right to dislike whatever they want, and I guess when I got into the whole forum thing for the first time I wasn't expecting others to be so critical of my opinions, and I really wasn't fully aware of what I was entering. I now apologize for posting this thread, and I realize how ignorant it is.

For starters, I did NOT get any pumpkin pie yesterday, and I am pissed. My girlfriends' family apparently doesn't believe in it, but it's ok. Because I took full advantage of Target's 10$ Black Friday PCC deal, and will probably get a pie later.
Secondly, don't ever apologize for having an opinion. That's what got us into this situation in the first place. Some people had opinions both pro and contra on the first movie and when feelings got hurt we hiveminded to pander to whatever was 'in' at the moment. Our differences of opinion is what makes us a community, and a strong one at that. We're not strong as a fandom because we all follow the same thought. If that were the case, we'd be a religion and not a fandom. If/when we disagree we talk, and when we talk we increase our understanding and pool of knowledge. Getting mad at me for not liking ROTF solves nothing, and correcting me for misusing the KO designation increases nothing. But if you want to debate, then let's go, because by seeing or at least listening to others' points of view we each become better. That's not pop psychology or mysticism, it's common sense. I like you and your posts because you do give your opinion, and if someone's going to be ignorant to you for your views then **** them. I hope the filter caught that last sentence, 'cause I'm not blocking it. Anyway, being ignorant back and slinging the Geewun name around, what does that get you? "Ehhh, does it make you feel cool to slag ROTF because people like it whine whine whine?" No, does it make you feel good to pee on G1 or whatever because I like it? It probably shouldn't, because in either case the vocal hater is just being rude. "You"s are general, not specificly aimed at you, ok?
Look, I already said I got me some PCCs today. I friggin' love them, and I think they are an evolutionary step towards something really and truly visionary for the brand. So I've got that strike against me, liking the PCCs. I dont care that kids don't like them, becuase I'm 32 and I collect toys for me, not for kids, and I resent the self-depricating garbage that these toys only exist for the kids and the company doesn't care about me. They are interested in money. If I bought these five PCC sets today, walked into the parking lot and set them on fire Hasbro wouldn't care, becuase I paid for them. If I gave them to Toys for Tots, or my own kids Hasbro wouldn't care, because I paid for them. I like PCCs and my favorite cartoon series was Beast Machines, which people hate more than the movies. But I'm trying to be the popular Geewunner and hate the movies because it's 'cool' to do that? Yeah, ok. It's not like I don't care about children, I'm a friggin' teacher. So, any personal evils people want to infer about me on Seibertron.com, be my guest. I'm solid in my self-assessment.
Apparently, from your post about getting a car and some other ones, apparently you're still kind of young. Maybe that has something to do with you feeling attacked for your opinions, since it is a common trait of being a young person. But honestly, do you care? When you watch the movies or play with the toys, are you doing it for a bunch of other people or do you do it for yourself? If someone doesn't like it, who cares? It makes you happy right? Like I get it, you know, I get that it blows that people trash something you enjoy, but at the end of the day you kind of need to be happy with your happiness about something. I don't mean to be disrespectful in any way, but maybe it is an age thing.....you can make fun of me for buying these PCCs, and I don't care. It doesn't bother me at all if you hate them, cause I don't.
Contrary to what you may feel others do, I'm trying to find a way to meld our opinions into a functional union, because like I said, I enjoy your ideas. Don't give up on them because they're not the ones everyone has. Hell, I think we lost Rodimus the Prime for basically the same reason, and that dude had some great ideas, but he just got tired of having people act like he was stupid for NOT liking the movies. Maybe it's lame or whatever, but fire me a PM if you want to talk Optimagnus, 'cause you seem to be good people.

Here's a question.

If you don't care that there are people out there who don't like the movies and wish they didn't exist, then why did you post a thread about how they annoy you and that they should shut up?

Also I'm moving this to the movie forum.

Okay, here's my three cents (I give extra cents, because I'm thoughtful like that). First off, I'm not someone who is against people enjoying the movies. Far from it; if people enjoy it, that's fine. The more popular Transformers are, the better, in my opinion.

And truth be told, I didn't mind the first movie so much. It introduced the characters, had a decent amount of action, and had some goofy charm. And the sequel had such great "potential" for being a good movie--there was a story in there that could have really rocked, if it was done correctly.

I think my main problem with the movie franchise is that when I tell people I am a Transformers fan, I worry that they automatically connect me to those movies. The second movie had so much offensiveness that I did not want my 13 year old daughter to watch it. I thought the humor was crude, and many of the characters were annoying. I did not want my family connecting me with the movie franchise.

Take for example, Optimus Prime. Yes, he's a stereotypical hero, but he was my child hood hero. He was "the good guy" who took a stand for what was right. When I watch that second movie, even though its Cullen's voice, I do not see Optimus Prime--I see a vicious killing machine. There's no connection there. It's not my hero.

I dislike the movies as I fear it will have a negative impact on the franchise as a whole. That parents, who saw the movies will go "oh no, my child isn't buying a toy from a film with that level of violence/racism/sexism/vulgarity/bad writing."

Again, I'm not against people enjoying these movies. But that's more or less the main reason why I have problems with them. I don't want to pick a fight, and I'm sure you could probably dissect my reasons and find fault with their logic. But that's where I am, in my gut.

Dagon wrote:For starters, I did NOT get any pumpkin pie yesterday, and I am pissed. My girlfriends' family apparently doesn't believe in it, but it's ok. Because I took full advantage of Target's 10$ Black Friday PCC deal, and will probably get a pie later.
Secondly, don't ever apologize for having an opinion. That's what got us into this situation in the first place. Some people had opinions both pro and contra on the first movie and when feelings got hurt we hiveminded to pander to whatever was 'in' at the moment. Our differences of opinion is what makes us a community, and a strong one at that. We're not strong as a fandom because we all follow the same thought. If that were the case, we'd be a religion and not a fandom. If/when we disagree we talk, and when we talk we increase our understanding and pool of knowledge. Getting mad at me for not liking ROTF solves nothing, and correcting me for misusing the KO designation increases nothing. But if you want to debate, then let's go, because by seeing or at least listening to others' points of view we each become better. That's not pop psychology or mysticism, it's common sense. I like you and your posts because you do give your opinion, and if someone's going to be ignorant to you for your views then **** them. I hope the filter caught that last sentence, 'cause I'm not blocking it. Anyway, being ignorant back and slinging the Geewun name around, what does that get you? "Ehhh, does it make you feel cool to slag ROTF because people like it whine whine whine?" No, does it make you feel good to pee on G1 or whatever because I like it? It probably shouldn't, because in either case the vocal hater is just being rude. "You"s are general, not specificly aimed at you, ok?
Look, I already said I got me some PCCs today. I friggin' love them, and I think they are an evolutionary step towards something really and truly visionary for the brand. So I've got that strike against me, liking the PCCs. I dont care that kids don't like them, becuase I'm 32 and I collect toys for me, not for kids, and I resent the self-depricating garbage that these toys only exist for the kids and the company doesn't care about me. They are interested in money. If I bought these five PCC sets today, walked into the parking lot and set them on fire Hasbro wouldn't care, becuase I paid for them. If I gave them to Toys for Tots, or my own kids Hasbro wouldn't care, because I paid for them. I like PCCs and my favorite cartoon series was Beast Machines, which people hate more than the movies. But I'm trying to be the popular Geewunner and hate the movies because it's 'cool' to do that? Yeah, ok. It's not like I don't care about children, I'm a friggin' teacher. So, any personal evils people want to infer about me on Seibertron.com, be my guest. I'm solid in my self-assessment.
Apparently, from your post about getting a car and some other ones, apparently you're still kind of young. Maybe that has something to do with you feeling attacked for your opinions, since it is a common trait of being a young person. But honestly, do you care? When you watch the movies or play with the toys, are you doing it for a bunch of other people or do you do it for yourself? If someone doesn't like it, who cares? It makes you happy right? Like I get it, you know, I get that it blows that people trash something you enjoy, but at the end of the day you kind of need to be happy with your happiness about something. I don't mean to be disrespectful in any way, but maybe it is an age thing.....you can make fun of me for buying these PCCs, and I don't care. It doesn't bother me at all if you hate them, cause I don't.
Contrary to what you may feel others do, I'm trying to find a way to meld our opinions into a functional union, because like I said, I enjoy your ideas. Don't give up on them because they're not the ones everyone has. Hell, I think we lost Rodimus the Prime for basically the same reason, and that dude had some great ideas, but he just got tired of having people act like he was stupid for NOT liking the movies. Maybe it's lame or whatever, but fire me a PM if you want to talk Optimagnus, 'cause you seem to be good people.

First of all, I think this is the absolute best post I've read on here. You put a lot of thought into this Dagon, and I respect that.
You're third paragraph there really spoke to me, and I'll try to keep that all in mind. And I personally love the PCCs too. I hated them at first sight, but then I just gave one a try and now they stand proudly among my classics and movie characters. They bring back memories of the combiners of the past.
I also agree with your work to unite us in some way, and although I try to do that, sometimes I get off track and let my emotions get the best of me. I am also disappointed in Rodimus the Prime leaving, because I think he had the best ideas we've ever seen on this forum. And even when he gave his opinions some great backup and had his point pretty much proved, some would throw that away and go back to the movie thing, even though he was very polite and never wished destruction upon it, although I was a little ticked when he called it an abomination and a disgrace. But then he managed to prove his point again. It's just too bad that he kind of gave up on that, and I wish he would've listened to me to keep putting his opinion out there, although I think he quit before I posted that. I guess we should all really stand by our own opinions if that's what we really believe in, but be willing to listen to the other side. I think if everyone did that we could be a "functional union" like you said.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:I also agree with your work to unite us in some way, and although I try to do that, sometimes I get off track and let my emotions get the best of me.

I know. It's because you love this stuff, which is why we are all here. Just never stop loving it becasue some one else doesn't.

As for the PCCs, I never thought of it, but it does seem like more movie figure fans should be fans of them, because they do seem really similar to me, at least. They do have some real visual similarities at the very least, and the design doesn't seem that far off from ROTF Devestator. And it doesn't matter that the drones don't transform, because there's like 1,000 pages of 'explainations' about Devestator not needing to be the actual Constructicons and so on. Hell, they could all be drones in that case. The PCCs distort the drone vehicle just enough to make me think of Devs at least.

Dagon wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:I also agree with your work to unite us in some way, and although I try to do that, sometimes I get off track and let my emotions get the best of me.

I know. It's because you love this stuff, which is why we are all here. Just never stop loving it because some one else doesn't.

I've been on here for a year now. Thinking back to the beginning, I was completely stoked that there was a place for Transformers fans to come together to discuss this interest we all share. Being out of the loop for 17 years or so, I learned a lot from reading people's various opinions and attitudes towards the franchise. Seeing what other people thought helped to shape the opinions that I have today - and my opinions will continue to evolve as long as others out there are willing to share their ideas. There have been instances where I wasn't very nice and had an opinion that wasn't very popular, though I don't think I ever attacked anyone for feeling differently than I do. I've had very strong opinions, and if I felt attacked, I'd come back and try to make my point in a stronger tone - sometimes. Sometimes it's best to leave it alone.

What I like about being on Seibertron.com is the wide variety of opinions. When I started, I probably didn't have much of opinion about the comics or the movies, and since I'm not a big toy collector - I really like the Generations line, tho - I learned a lot. I have been a fan for a long time, but between raising my son, going to school, working, keeping a household together there just wasn't a lot of time to dedicate to Transformers (or other hobbies I was interested in for that matter). Now that the kid is off to college, it's freed up some time to finally get back to those things I loved.

I guess my "Captain Obvious" point for today is that everyone has an opinion. There are those who won't budge from their point at all. There are those who are fluid in their thinking and who are open to other ideas. There are times when discussions will get heated and that's what I find the most fascinating - the passion that people have for their hobby. Don't let differences in opinion get to you; instead take what you will of the differences either to change or to validate your opinion. Build on what you know with the knowledge, ideas and insights of others to enhance your own experience. None of us are wrong, rather we all simply look at things in different lights. If you get attacked for your ideas, make your point in a stronger tone or let it go - those are the fans who will never open themselves to someone else's point of view.

The best thing to come out of this thread....

The term "Flamebait", thats just an awesome term. I must use it in real world reffrence and out of context to see what reactions emerge.

Second, the Thanksgiving wishes.....magical. And who doesn't believe in Pumkin Pie on on Thanksgiving? Wha, what kind of pie do you have then? I mean, it's the perfect harvest, winter themed desert!

Thats all I have. *Sigh*, I would like to contribute, but this has been hammered to death really. I would imagine both sides of the fence have since stated their pros and cons, picked a side, and can respectfully move forward. But this is the internet, and truth be told it's jazz like this that makes it worth reading. I await to see if this thread makes it to Christmas!