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By the title i mean, was there a scene in the movies which made you realise, yeah this is not for me

for me there were moments in both flicks

in transformers

- opening scene was fine, good introduction of serious threat, transforming sound was good, action seemed ok, could be good

however the next scene wiped all that out. I understand movie editing and pacing, and that you need to bring the audience down after a high tempo opening, but

- The logic in the class room scene. Sam is selling his GF's stuff to purchase a car. Cut to next scene he is buying said car, having not sold them, huh ?

- One more scene wiped me out then, Bunblebee upgrading to new model. His parents didnt note that sam had a crappy camaro, and suddenly its a brand new one. Yet no questions asked, huh ?

In ROTF it didnt take as long

- the opening scene in China, with the executionbots. At that point, I knew that the scriptwriters didnt know what autobots were or what their moral stance was.

Before Bays Fansformers go on the attack, these are my views, you can disagree fair enough, but try to limit the personal insults if you can, they are only movies.

They didn't see the new car...

Everyone wants money and what if he didn't get that A? maybe he was trying to get money so in case he didn't get the A?

Heheh, neither a Bay fan nor Geewunner here, just a neutral TF collector.

Like sentinelprime1234 said, the parents never saw the new car. Right after Sam meets the Autobots, he was brought back to their home to retrieve the glasses. And just as he finds them, Simmons and gang show up and haul the whole family off.

As for the Autobots' more violent stance in the Bayverse, I do agree that killing a pair of cowardly 'Cons [Demolisher and Sideways] isn't what you'd expect of an Autobot. But then, I'm not sure what they should do with them after capturing them. Rehabilitation? I guess the real problem is that Demolisher and Sideways didn't put up much of a fight; if they had retaliated instead of running, the Autobots would have been more justified in killing them.

That said, I do feel that Optimus should have been more "reserved" in his fighting style. All that face-ripping does not become him.

Before Bays Fansformers go on the attack, these are my views, you can disagree fair enough, but try to limit the personal insults if you can, they are only movies.

Ok fine I won't melt you down for your less than optimal assessments. (crosses off his name between Wheelie and Blurr off his list.)

- the opening scene in China, with the executionbots. At that point, I knew that the scriptwriters didnt know what autobots were or what their moral stance was.

- Did you watch the 86 film right?.(Which Optimus destroys plenty during the 86 film that end up being rebuilt.Grimlock blows up one of the Decepticons and mercilessly crushes countless Sharkticons.) Beast Wars?(only 7 of the entire cast survive.) Animated? (Omega Supreme blows away armies of Decepticons.) Transformers get fragged in plenty of series besides the movies. Optimus Mows down nameless cons in Dawn war in the original series. They tried kill all the Decepticons by blowing up a mine with them in it in the very first episodes of more than meets the eye. The autobots shoved them all into hot lava in Heavy Metal War. Autobots had plenty of lethal intent towards the Decepticons...it just didn't usually kill them. Not from lack of trying due to saturday morning cartoon rules they play by most of the time. The consequences of violences were absense but there was plenty of it.


Honestly if the autobots weren't willing take their foes lives then they could never win a war.I dont get this Killing= not a hero mentality. I mean most people called War heroes literally means they were great at fighting and killing people.

War is hell, and brings out the wrost in people. I dont see why that reflects so badly on the autobots considering they weren't hunting them down on a neutral location. They were patrolling the no fly zone of Earth not busting into Decepticons homes and killing them on cybertron. They were at war, and there's no time for trials with this matter.

I mean what would you had them do with the Decepticons when they were clearly willing kill humans. Demolisher easily killed a dozen people during his escape. Sideways smashed through a house , and easily could have taken out the people inside it. They had no value of human life. Ultimately the Decepticon Cause was to exterminate all life on Earth for both films...which they were literally seconds from successing in ROTF. There's no reason for them to hold back on their foes when the stakes are that high. (and looks like Dark of the moon maintains those stakes with them trying conquest Earth....pictures Shockwave and the Decepticons on the moon saying as they wake up.."After 10,000 years I'm free..time to conquer Earth!")

I mean look what happened when someone did let their guard down....Megatron stabbed Prime in the back after ambushing him and Sam. Megatron ripped jazz in half without heistation. Why do these villains deserve a lick of sympathy from the autobots in return? They clearly aren't giving it to them when the shoe is on the other foot. There's no honor or war code on their side. (beyond say Jetfire whom defected anyways.)

So basically how much more death did the Decepticons need to commit before you were willing see them dead?

When did I know the movies weren't for me? I didn't, since I enjoyed them.

Lastjustice wrote:

Before Bays Fansformers go on the attack, these are my views, you can disagree fair enough, but try to limit the personal insults if you can, they are only movies.

Ok fine I won't melt you down for your less than optimal assessments. (crosses off his name between Wheelie and Blurr off his list.)

- the opening scene in China, with the executionbots. At that point, I knew that the scriptwriters didnt know what autobots were or what their moral stance was.

- Did you watch the 86 film right?.(Which Optimus destroys plenty during the 86 film that end up being rebuilt.Grimlock blows up one of the Decepticons and mercilessly crushes countless Sharkticons.) Beast Wars?(only 7 of the entire cast survive.) Animated? (Omega Supreme blows away armies of Decepticons.) Transformers get fragged in plenty of series besides the movies. Optimus Mows down nameless cons in Dawn war in the original series. They tried kill all the Decepticons by blowing up a mine with them in it in the very first episodes of more than meets the eye. The autobots shoved them all into hot lava in Heavy Metal War. Autobots had plenty of lethal intent towards the Decepticons...it just didn't usually kill them. Not from lack of trying due to saturday morning cartoon rules they play by most of the time. The consequences of violences were absense but there was plenty of it.


Honestly if the autobots weren't willing take their foes lives then they could never win a war.I dont get this Killing= not a hero mentality. I mean most people called War heroes literally means they were great at fighting and killing people.

War is hell, and brings out the wrost in people. I dont see why that reflects so badly on the autobots considering they weren't hunting them down on a neutral location. They were patrolling the no fly zone of Earth not busting into Decepticons homes and killing them on cybertron. They were at war, and there's no time for trials with this matter.

I mean what would you had them do with the Decepticons when they were clearly willing kill humans. Demolisher easily killed a dozen people during his escape. Sideways smashed through a house , and easily could have taken out the people inside it. They had no value of human life. Ultimately the Decepticon Cause was to exterminate all life on Earth for both films...which they were literally seconds from successing in ROTF. There's no reason for them to hold back on their foes when the stakes are that high. (and looks like Dark of the moon maintains those stakes with them trying conquest Earth....pictures Shockwave and the Decepticons on the moon saying as they wake up.."After 10,000 years I'm free..time to conquer Earth!")

I mean look what happened when someone did let their guard down....Megatron stabbed Prime in the back after ambushing him and Sam. Megatron ripped jazz in half without heistation. Why do these villains deserve a lick of sympathy from the autobots in return? They clearly aren't giving it to them when the shoe is on the other foot. There's no honor or war code on their side. (beyond say Jetfire whom defected anyways.)

So basically how much more death did the Decepticons need to commit before you were willing see them dead?

difference between animated movie 9which had its flaws no doubt) was that the cons were on berserker kill mode, so prime was merely defending him.

In rotf, he executed an escaping con. and before that he used a quip

thats what seems off for me. Again as a geen wuner, thats not my prime. not the prime who sacrificed himself because he killed characters in a video game (crazy i know, but showed his respect for all life)

difference between animated movie 9which had its flaws no doubt) was that the cons were on berserker kill mode, so prime was merely defending him.

In rotf, he executed an escaping con. and before that he used a quip

thats what seems off for me. Again as a geen wuner, thats not my prime. not the prime who sacrificed himself because he killed characters in a video game (crazy i know, but showed his respect for all life)

Prime talked trash and made 1 liners all time when he fought Decepticons.(he tossed a tanker at Megatron and said Catch!, which could have possibly killed Megatron.) I just take as your nostaglia goggles are on too tight if you can't see that Movie Prime is basically G1 Prime with accountability and consequences for his actions. (Prime ordered Megatron to kill Bruticus after he nearly killed everyone on Earth in G1....Megatron faked doing so.)

In the cartoon no one died regardless how much damage they took outside the 86 film. In triple Take over Blitzwing crushed several autobots flat....yet they all lived. Are you going really going say oh the Decepticons should be able take that heavy of damage and just retreat like nothing happened?

Optimus was just as noble in the movies as he bravely would give up his own life to save others...and did. On top of that it wasn't like the Decepticons gave themselves up and said oh we're sorry for being here. If they'd came quietly I doubt they'd got slagged. Demolisher basically told off Prime before he was finished off. This was after he caused a bunch of damage, and Prime already told him to pull over. He refused to take the easy way and paid for it. That's not on Prime. It's on the aft hat who provoked his enemy and failed surrender in a no fly zone of Earth.

The crucial difference you're ignoring, and as shamone quite rightly states, is that it was a cold, honour-less execution that took place in ROTF. It wasn't a battle between Prime and a Decepticon fully able to fight back, it was disabled, completely unable to defend itself in any shape or form.

That's not the G1 Optimus Prime behaviour you seem to think it is, since that Prime never engaged an opponent that couldn't defend itself, and he certainly didn't carry out summary justice of wounded enemies. If Demolishor had died during the heat of battle it would have been a completely different matter all together, but this isn't the case.

Trying to equate the cartoon Prime to the movie Prime simply isn't going to fly. The G1 Prime is a paragon of virtue in the truest sense of the term, the movie version is cold and efficient to the point of being unlikeable.

On topic, the second half of the first movie was the tipping point that put me off the movies. The first half wasn't particularly my style either but I was willing to forgive it.

I liked the first movie, despite its somehow weird designs, it was overall OK.

What I HATE is RotF.

- Brutal autobots - Sideswipe killing a fleeing decepticon was the first step, but after that the execution was too much.
- Reused models - Don't even start that Grindor is a separate con than Blackout, using one of the most memorable cons' models from the first movie again is cheap, and that movie was supposed to have a big budget.
- No memorable battles or scenes - at least not like in the first movie, where battles gave a frame to the whole movie: the base attack, the dam, the city - they were good scenes, just like Frenzys attack on Air Force 1, Barricades chase, and the autobots arrival. There were no such scenes in RotF.

If you hated the movies so much why are you here posting? It just doesn't make sense to a sane person when someone supposedly hates something, but yet they try to partcipate in a discussion about that very thing they hate. I suggest you seek the guidance of a good shrink to find out what your issues are.

Chaoslock wrote:- Brutal autobots - Sideswipe killing a fleeing decepticon was the first step, but after that the execution was too much

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How in the hell are brutal robots a bad thing? They're at war, they're supposed to kill each other, what are they supposed to do? Keep them as prisoners? Then they'd be breaking the prisoners of war law. So, tell me, what the hell are they supposed to do in war?

- Reused models - Don't even start that Grindor is a separate con than Blackout, using one of the most memorable cons' models from the first movie again is cheap, and that movie was supposed to have a big budget.

Memorable? He was only in 2 scenes.

- No memorable battles or scenes - at least not like in the first movie, where battles gave a frame to the whole movie: the base attack, the dam, the city - they were good scenes, just like Frenzys attack on Air Force 1, Barricades chase, and the autobots arrival. There were no such scenes in RotF.

So, Shanghai, the forest battle, The Fallen's arrival, the Nemesis scene, the warehouse scene, Megatron's revival, the Well of Allsparks, Optimus's rebirth, Devastator's transformation, Optimus jumping out of a freaking airplane, Jetfire and Optimus combining, and I'm pretty sure there are ass loads more; never happened. Ok.

And the battles in the first movie did not give frame to the movie. Every fight scene with robots was either shaky as hell, or cut to humans running in the middle. At least in ROTF we got to see some robot ass kicking instead of blurry images of giant piles of car parts zooming past the camera, with people running in the foreground and explosions going off behind them.

^Yeah, it took the movie verse Transformers to make me into a fan. The cartoon was beyond cheesy for my tastes. I want bad ass robots. And, with Demolisher, Optimus was being merciful. He put the poor thing out of his misery!

Iamwarhorse wrote:^Yeah, it took the movie verse Transformers to make me into a fan. The cartoon was beyond cheesy for my tastes. I want bad ass robots. And, with Demolisher, Optimus was being merciful. He put the poor thing out of his misery!

Exactly, that...what's the derogatory term for a Cybertronian? We need to make one up: How about well, I don't know.

Any way, that "thing" had his mouth hanging off with blood spewing from his eye, he needed to be put down. That was an act of mercy by Optimus!

Considering Demolisher just killed about a dozen NEST soldiers and who knows how many civilians when he plowed through Shanghai, I think a bullet to the brainbox was being a little too merciful.

And I agree, why post on these forums if you're just going to stirr up trouble about how much you hate the movies? You're either trying too hard to be a troll, or you're secretly in denial that you like them.

The crucial difference you're ignoring, and as shamone quite rightly states, is that it was a cold, honor-less execution that took place in ROTF. It wasn't a battle between Prime and a Decepticon fully able to fight back, it was disabled, completely unable to defend itself in any shape or form.

No you're both wrong. G1 Prime tried kill all Decepticons (which killed 3 unnamed seekers whom were never seen again.) in first episodes of More than meets the eye 2, with a bomb. Hows that any more honorable than putting down a critically wounded foe? if anything it was an act of mercy given how badly damaged Demolisher was after Ironhide blew his wheels off and he crashed.

Demolisher fell in battle after killing dozens of people and millions of dollars in property damage. He scooped up a car along the way and tossed it that he didn't need to destroy to escape. What would you have Prime do after he was a pile of junk? Really blasting him and putting an end to him was only real option there. I mean were the autobots just supposed to let the Decepticons run free on the planet doing whatever they like? Next you'll say Hotrod should have let Unicron live too right?

I don't think you understand what means be a soldier if you somehow chalk up Not killing= Virtue. If you point a weapon at something, you better be prepared to destroy it otherwise you're a coward. If you're a warrior on the battlefield you know what you signed up for. Whatever happens out there is between you and your enemy. Why they say in the old west.. there's the quick and dead.(as Prime said himself, there's a thin line between a hero and memory.) Honor is just a quaint idea that has little room in real combat. All bay films did was make the violence have more realistic results. It's always been there.

toothdoc wrote:If you hated the movies so much why are you here posting? It just doesn't make sense to a sane person when someone supposedly hates something, but yet they try to partcipate in a discussion about that very thing they hate. I suggest you seek the guidance of a good shrink to find out what your issues are.

BONECRUSHER MADE AN ACCOUNT!

Furthermore, I loved both movies.

shamone wrote:By the title i mean, was there a scene in the movies which made you realise, yeah this is not for me

for me there were moments in both flicks

in transformers

- opening scene was fine, good introduction of serious threat, transforming sound was good, action seemed ok, could be good

however the next scene wiped all that out. I understand movie editing and pacing, and that you need to bring the audience down after a high tempo opening, but

- The logic in the class room scene. Sam is selling his GF's stuff to purchase a car. Cut to next scene he is buying said car, having not sold them, huh ?

- One more scene wiped me out then, Bunblebee upgrading to new model. His parents didnt note that sam had a crappy camaro, and suddenly its a brand new one. Yet no questions asked, huh ?

In ROTF it didnt take as long

- the opening scene in China, with the executionbots. At that point, I knew that the scriptwriters didnt know what autobots were or what their moral stance was.

Before Bays Fansformers go on the attack, these are my views, you can disagree fair enough, but try to limit the personal insults if you can, they are only movies.

No personal insults will come from me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I do, however, wish to address some of your post.

You're wrong about the selling stuff to buy the car. It was his intention to sell the items to make up the difference, because he knew his dad can be a hardass. Sam had the money, spoke to the teacher and pulled the "What would Jesus do?" line, and got the grade he needed. His dad paid the other half of his car. The sales of those items would be icing on the cake.

But, to be fair, the movie is convoluted as all get out in the first few viewings, both story wise, and visually, so I can't fault you for thinking "WTF?"

His parents never saw the reformatted Bumblebee until the events of the first film were over. There's no plot hole there.

As for the morality of the Autobots...you can't blame Orci & Kurtzman for that. There are plenty of things you can blame them for, when it comes to these movies, but that's not one of them.

The comics, both Marvel and now Dreamwave/IDW had some dark storylines and violent Autobots. O&K just carried on the tradition.

shamone wrote:difference between animated movie 9which had its flaws no doubt) was that the cons were on berserker kill mode, so prime was merely defending him.

In rotf, he executed an escaping con. and before that he used a quip

thats what seems off for me. Again as a geen wuner, thats not my prime. not the prime who sacrificed himself because he killed characters in a video game (crazy i know, but showed his respect for all life)

See, that's your first mistake. This is not G1. This is a reboot that merely shares the same characters and places, but not the situations or the personalities. This is a whole new TF universe and can't and shouldn't be compared to G1.

There is no comparison.

I fell in love with TransFormers through G1. Fan since '84. While the 'toon will always have a special place in my heart, I can see that it's not the end all, be all of the TF universe. It shouldn't be either.

toothdoc wrote:If you hated the movies so much why are you here posting? It just doesn't make sense to a sane person when someone supposedly hates something, but yet they try to partcipate in a discussion about that very thing they hate. I suggest you seek the guidance of a good shrink to find out what your issues are.

C'mon, this is just rude, man. He specifically asked people to be respectful, and you know what? He's right. It's not too much to ask.

Even if we don't agree, he is entitled to his opinion, and he most certainly has the right to discuss it, just like the rest of us.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but you're going a little overboard here.

SlyTF1 wrote:So, Shanghai, the forest battle, The Fallen's arrival, the Nemesis scene, the warehouse scene, Megatron's revival, the Well of Allsparks, Optimus's rebirth, Devastator's transformation, Optimus jumping out of a freaking airplane, Jetfire and Optimus combining, and I'm pretty sure there are ass loads more; never happened. Ok.

And the battles in the first movie did not give frame to the movie. Every fight scene with robots was either shaky as hell, or cut to humans running in the middle. At least in ROTF we got to see some robot ass kicking instead of blurry images of giant piles of car parts zooming past the camera, with people running in the foreground and explosions going off behind them.

All good points, especially the part about the battles in the first film.

Iamwarhorse wrote:^Yeah, it took the movie verse Transformers to make me into a fan. The cartoon was beyond cheesy for my tastes. I want bad ass robots. And, with Demolisher, Optimus was being merciful. He put the poor thing out of his misery!

I was already a fan when they came out, but I can certainly see the draw that the movies have. I'd be a fan if I hadn't been, thanks to the movies.

Capt.Failure wrote:Considering Demolisher just killed about a dozen NEST soldiers and who knows how many civilians when he plowed through Shanghai, I think a bullet to the brainbox was being a little too merciful.

And I agree, why post on these forums if you're just going to stirr up trouble about how much you hate the movies? You're either trying too hard to be a troll, or you're secretly in denial that you like them.

Two of you making personal insults? Why? I'm a big supporter of the movie verse as a whole, especially ROTF, but this isn't necessary. Not cool dude, not cool.

As for me, the movies are my thing, but they're not perfect.

Autobot032 wrote:Two of you making personal insults? Why? I'm a big supporter of the movie verse as a whole, especially ROTF, but this isn't necessary. Not cool dude, not cool.

I normally don't say such things lightly. I have yet to have a conversation with shamone that doesn't devolve into the usual "stop liking what I don't like" flamewar. I'm commenting from experience is all. If he made a positive thread, I'd take my comment back in a heartbeat.

Edit: But yeah, you're right. It was out of line and I'm sorry for that.

Lastjustice wrote:

The crucial difference you're ignoring, and as shamone quite rightly states, is that it was a cold, honor-less execution that took place in ROTF. It wasn't a battle between Prime and a Decepticon fully able to fight back, it was disabled, completely unable to defend itself in any shape or form.

No you're both wrong. G1 Prime tried kill all Decepticons (which killed 3 unnamed seekers whom were never seen again.) in first episodes of More than meets the eye 2, with a bomb. Hows that any more honorable than putting down a critically wounded foe? if anything it was an act of mercy given how badly damaged Demolisher was after Ironhide blew his wheels off and he crashed.

Demolisher fell in battle after killing dozens of people and millions of dollars in property damage. He scooped up a car along the way and tossed it that he didn't need to destroy to escape. What would you have Prime do after he was a pile of junk? Really blasting him and putting an end to him was only real option there. I mean were the autobots just supposed to let the Decepticons run free on the planet doing whatever they like? Next you'll say Hotrod should have let Unicron live too right?

I don't think you understand what means be a soldier if you somehow chalk up Not killing= Virtue. If you point a weapon at something, you better be prepared to destroy it otherwise you're a coward. If you're a warrior on the battlefield you know what you signed up for. Whatever happens out there is between you and your enemy. Why they say in the old west.. there's the quick and dead.(as Prime said himself, there's a thin line between a hero and memory.) Honor is just a quaint idea that has little room in real combat. All bay films did was make the violence have more realistic results. It's always been there.

You're spouting nonsense to cover your own ignorance. I'm not interested in what Demolisher did or did not do, or what Hotrod did or did not do in the '86 movie. Or how many purple Seekers disappeared during MTMTE, especially when we're all acutely aware of how rife the series is with characters appearing and disappearing or even switching sides and colours at random.

I'm informing you that you're incorrect in your statement that the attitude of the movie Prime equates to that of the G1 Prime. It is a simple matter of fact, the cartoon Prime would not have put down Demolisher in that fashion, the cartoon Prime WOULD have let him limp away to freedom as much as that might shock you, that's the kind of series G1 was. Cartoon Prime was never directly responsible for anyone's death, even Megatron didn't die as a result of his battle with Prime because he became Galvatron.

So I shall reiterate it clearly one more time before you decide to tell me that the Headmasters were justified in burying Galvatron under an iceberg with a care bear stare, the movie Prime's attitude DOES NOT match that of the cartoon Prime.

Tekka wrote:

Lastjustice wrote:

The crucial difference you're ignoring, and as shamone quite rightly states, is that it was a cold, honor-less execution that took place in ROTF. It wasn't a battle between Prime and a Decepticon fully able to fight back, it was disabled, completely unable to defend itself in any shape or form.

No you're both wrong. G1 Prime tried kill all Decepticons (which killed 3 unnamed seekers whom were never seen again.) in first episodes of More than meets the eye 2, with a bomb. Hows that any more honorable than putting down a critically wounded foe? if anything it was an act of mercy given how badly damaged Demolisher was after Ironhide blew his wheels off and he crashed.

Demolisher fell in battle after killing dozens of people and millions of dollars in property damage. He scooped up a car along the way and tossed it that he didn't need to destroy to escape. What would you have Prime do after he was a pile of junk? Really blasting him and putting an end to him was only real option there. I mean were the autobots just supposed to let the Decepticons run free on the planet doing whatever they like? Next you'll say Hotrod should have let Unicron live too right?

I don't think you understand what means be a soldier if you somehow chalk up Not killing= Virtue. If you point a weapon at something, you better be prepared to destroy it otherwise you're a coward. If you're a warrior on the battlefield you know what you signed up for. Whatever happens out there is between you and your enemy. Why they say in the old west.. there's the quick and dead.(as Prime said himself, there's a thin line between a hero and memory.) Honor is just a quaint idea that has little room in real combat. All bay films did was make the violence have more realistic results. It's always been there.

You're spouting nonsense to cover your own ignorance. I'm not interested in what Demolisher did or did not do, or what Hotrod did or did not do in the '86 movie. Or how many purple Seekers disappeared during MTMTE, especially when we're all acutely aware of how rife the series is with characters appearing and disappearing or even switching sides and colours at random.

I'm informing you that you're incorrect in your statement that the attitude of the movie Prime equates to that of the G1 Prime. It is a simple matter of fact, the cartoon Prime would not have put down Demolisher in that fashion, the cartoon Prime WOULD have let him limp away to freedom as much as that might shock you, that's the kind of series G1 was. Cartoon Prime was never directly responsible for anyone's death, even Megatron didn't die as a result of his battle with Prime because he became Galvatron.

So I shall reiterate it clearly one more time before you decide to tell me that the Headmasters were justified in burying Galvatron under an iceberg with a care bear stare, the movie Prime's attitude DOES NOT match that of the cartoon Prime.

If Prime let Demolisher go after what he did in Shanghai I'd seriously question his leadership.

Tekka wrote:So I shall reiterate it clearly one more time (...) the movie Prime's attitude DOES NOT match that of the cartoon Prime.

I, and many others, will reiterate it for you: Movie Prime and G1 Prime are not one and the same. This is new universe, built within a reboot.

If you can't accept that fact, then the problem lies with you.

If you don't like the movieverse, that's your right. If you're upset that it doesn't cater to you, Hasbro has one thing to say to you: "Deal with it."

This reboot was to restart the series, bring new fans into the fold and make money. And it worked. Did they want to alienate the original fanbase? No. That's why you have C.H.U.G. and HFTD/RTS. Hasbro hasn't forgotten you, but they also can't remain in the past because a few self labeled "GEEWUNNERS" are stragglers who won't give up the ghost or even try.

This violent Prime is not the kind and cuddly G1 Prime, but this one definitely has heart. No matter what he does, no matter where he is, if Sam calls his name, that boy's day is saved. He loves and cares for his human friends and allies, just as Bumblebee does. In that? He's very much like G1 Prime, the only difference is this one is more realistic.

You don't have to like it, but you do have to come to terms with it. You have to face facts and say "This is not G1, they're right."

Once you come to grips with it, you'll be happier.

I'm not quite sure what you were trying to do there, but thanks for agreeing with me.

Tekka wrote:I'm not quite sure what you were trying to do there, but thanks for agreeing with me.

I think the point that's being made here is that you're right about the fact movie Prime and 80's Prime are different. They're supposed to be.

With a side order of loosely related rant that isn't relevant to the point of contention?

Errr. Ask Autobot032.