The Energon Pub

Long since the 80's many Transformers fans including myself have been awaiting the day to see another decent film in the franchise. Sadly that wasn't 2007, nor 2009, nor in 2011. No all we were delivered was disappointment served by a childish, selfish, sexist, racist moron who directed it. Oh I'm sure there are other people that are responsible for all three Transformers movies being as bad as they are but since mister Bay is the dude who's felt so proud to slap his name in the biggest letters and have his name said and the end of every advertisement, then you'll understand why I decide to take out my frustrations and file my complaints towards him.

Keep in mind I'm only judging these movies as just that. Movies. I'm not gonna rant about how the films don't specifically follow the continuity established by Generation 1 comics or animation. I'm looking at the three films by themselves just to be fair. So let's start with what's wrong with this whole mess of a trilogy.

1. Where's the title characters?- The movies are all called Transformers so why pray tell is the majority of the film centered around Shia LaBouff and what slut he happens to be with. Not to mention the goofy side characters like all the asshole government agents and the goofy comic reliefs who try too hard to be funny. I paid money to see giant robots so why do I only see them one tenth of the film? They should be the **** stars of the movie not just a couple of distractions which is how I felt they were being treated. This could be chalked up to the fact the effects for the robots are extremely expensive to render. But maybe they could've saved some money by not setting every damn thing on fire with huge exsplosions and paying actors who play characters that have nothing to do with the story other than the fact they happen to be there!

2. Poor Writing- There are more problems with this scripts than the recent Violent Video games bill California tried to pass! The attempts at humor in this movie try too freaking hard to be funny in a crude way that it's just obnoxious! Seems like not one scene goes by without some kind of dick, fart, sex, masturbation, drug, or racist crack at something. It's like something brought in the writers of Family Guy for god's sake. Now with the second film Revenge of the Fallen it's said that many of the writers were on strike at the time the script was being made and that Micheal bay himself did most of the writing. To that end it only shows how much of an over grown brat Bay is. And for something that's supposed to be intended for something of a younger audience there's an awful lot of vulgarity and dirty words in these flicks. Seriously every single thing that happened at the college is just painful to watch and just unnecessary! And lets not forget about the giant robot with testicles and bare man ass on screen! And don't even get me started on that little piece of **** Wheelie! Seriously Wheelie was a piece of ****! Best way I can describe that worthless character. Oh and about the racist stuff...

3. Racial stereo types- This could probably go with the bad writing but it's thrown in your face so much in these films that it's impossible to ignore. Sure there have been some movies blamed for being racist just for subtle things here and there. But if that's the case all three of these movies could warrant a march from just about every ethnicity. I mean Jesus Christ how could they get away with some of these characters? Every black guy in this movie with the exception of one soldier character was some goofy moron being silly and stereo typical and... hell that's how every non-white person in this movie is treated! Even the robots are stereotypical with Skids and Mudflap talking jive and acting like rappers from the friggen 1980's. The only way it could've been worse is if they had pure black faces and white lips! Granted even the white characters in these movies are goofy too but some of which are just down right creepy like the college professor from RotF and John Malchovich from DotM.

4. Sexist much?- Yeah let's not forget about how much hot girl ass gets more screen time than the **** robots the movies are named after. Being a guy I can admit I like seeing T and A in my movies but to be honest I don't expect to see them in a movie that's supposed about be about giant robots beating the **** out of each other! Not to mention if you're gonna cast someone attractive in your third movie at least make sure they can **** act! Looks don't mean a damn thing if their acting skills are as sharp as a turd!



5. The director- Oh yes Micheal Bay, the previous three reasons I mentioned above are pretty much his fault. Yep that's his vision folks. That's what he wanted in his movies. Why would anyone want this? Well I'll tell you and I'm not just exaggerating my opinion here. Oh no, I'm saying this because I firmly believe this about Bay's personal character. Call slander all you want but I've yet to see anything that proves me otherwise of this. Micheal Bay as both a person and a director is in fact a childish ,racist ,sexist bastard. Yes I said it and I'm not apologizing for that either. Throughout these movies and in other movies he's done Micheal Bay has shown his capacity for poor crude humor and portraying racial stereo types as if he believes that's how all black, Mexican, Indian, and all around brown people act. Because he does believe that. Women? Well he thinks you're all nothing more than curvy objects to be ogled at and too insecure to do anything on your own without the help of a big strong man.
Now for all of you out there who think I'm just saying these mean and nasty things about him just to say them then let me ask this, take a movie like say The King's Speech ,True Grit ,or Dark Knight with him in the directors chair. Now do you think those movies would be as good? The answer to that riddle is no kids. They would be more insensitive eye **** which is all we've ever gotten out of this man. Sadly all he's going to do is keep raping our eyes with sexism and racism as long as Hollywood gives him money for it and they'll keep doing that because Hollywood is as shallow as he is.

There you have it, these movies have been nothing more than a raping of what I consider precious childhood memories. And Hollywood gave him the power to do it and they let him get away with it while they just watched. So Don Murphy and Stephen Speilberg don't be proud of yourselves. No one should be proud of these. I'm more than certain Peter Cullen isn't happy with any of these movies. And if he is then my god what's wrong with him? So after three movies of failure I'm not buying in to any more of the hype for any more of these films or the merchandise nor will I be getting the DVD's anytime soon. Way to go Micheal Bay, Stephen Spielberg, and Don Murphy you guys failed miserably in the eyes of fans and just movie goers and critics alike. Especially you Micheal Bay. You childish, racist, sexist asshole.

I love how you mention nothing of Hasbro, the company that owns the rights to TF and there respective property, any responsibility to what happened to your beloved "Childhood memories".

Now that you've got all that out of your system, please go back under the bridge in which you reside.

Christ, where do all these people keep bleeding out of the woodwork over these movies? What convinces someone to sign up on a forum, commit their first post to something like this, and to just bitch bitch bitch about their childhood being raped?

Or are we seeing certain members create false accounts to just keep posting the same nonsense over and over again?

I was going to lock this thread, but you know what? I'm going to leave it open for a little bit just to see how the responses go. After all, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The question is, will Atary77 bother to come back and reply to the responses?

And for those that feel the need to respond, keep it civil.

1. It wasn't really Bay's idea to center everything around Shia. It was actually Spielberg's idea to focus the story around a kid and his first car. Bay and Orci/Kurtzman liked the idea and used it.

2. What can I say, Bay loves his improv humor. I don't like the toilet humor any more than you do, but at least he knew he went overboard in ROTF and was willing to tone it down in DOTM. Personally, with the sole exception of the leg-humping, I find Bayverse Wheelie kind of entertaining. He might be a sleazebot, but at least he has a character of his own. IMO, Arcee was a potentially interesting character [three bodies inhabited by one mind] that never got any characterization at all.

3. No comment.

4. Agree about M. Fox not being able to act to save her life. No comment on Rosie Huntington-something; haven't seen the movie yet. But from what I've heard about her acting in the movie, and from interviews, she seems like a far more genuine person than Fox.

5. No comment.

My only peeve with Bay and Orci/Kurtzman is their tendency towards toilet humor and Bay's sometimes directionless improv scenes. But other than that, I personally love the new TF designs. Now I DID grow up in the 80's and enjoyed G1 as a kid, but I personally think Bay's bots are a step in the right direction, in that they're not just variations or mere derivatives of the original design. I liked G1 Bumblebee as a kid, but I can still appreciate Bayverse Bee's more kickass incarnation.

Just my two cent's worth...[slinks away to put on a flame-retardant suit.]

I'll admit yeah I did get angry when writing this, sadly that's pretty much how I felt after three movies that I felt in my opinion were pretty much all the same. And yes I can admit I may not be right about everything I said but this was my opinions on these films. And of course the director.

As I mentioned above I make no apologies for what I said. AS for what other folks said I like it when my opinions are challenged. Why else would I come to the internet to vent my frustrations about these films. There have been times where I felt I'd like to be proven wrong about about certain things.

I'm not surprised Stephen Spielberg made some major decisions that made me frustrated about the films as well. I haven't really cared for his style of film making honestly. But still there's a reason I put the word (rant) in the title cause that's what this is. Venting about how I felt about these flicks and why I care not to watch them again.

But the big reason I posted this here, as the same reason anyone post anything on a web forum I wanted to hear the opinions of the community here.

To be quite honest the movie verse wasn't the only one that changed everything G-1.

Beastwars,RID,AEC,Animated & TF Prime are doing exactly the same thing. by offering different toy designs than G-1. All be in different alternate universes/realities.

the thing with transformers,things are contantly changing. so if don't like the current TF toy line,cartoon/movie/comic/whataever. wait 18+months & something brand new will replace it.

Even though I dis-like something. I still find & grab enjoyment in something. Their are always a few awesome TF toys to find in the most hated TF toy lines. their is always some decent episode to find in the worst TF cartoon.

I'm different than the average TF fan. because I seperate the fiction from the toys. I'm in it more for the toys & don't need a decent media persona to enjoy a TF toy mold design i like.

First off i should apoligies for my intial usuption of you being a troll. In past experiance when someones first post is directed solely on hating on Bay, and only bay for there dislikes for the movies, they generaly only post to cause a **** storm and never return. Since you returned looking for reponses and opinions, i think its only fair retract my privous statment. For now..

But if you want peoples opinions on these movies, you only have to look down a few threads from this one. The movie topic has been discussed with great detail on several levels. UBt to this day, the one thing that both movie lovers and haters never seem to address, is Hasbro's involvment in these prodjects. I refuse to believe that they don't have final say as far as how their products are protrayed. Not everything, good or bad, can be put solely on Bay's sholders. I can understand certain aspects such as how it filmed, actors direction on set as well as the overall scenes, but things such as script, robot designs, robot screen time, how the bots are portrayed is not solely on Bay. This is Hasbro's babay and for the most part, bread and butter. There not going to let one man make the final decesions on how the franchise is going to be protrayed.

I have to admit, in my anger it never occured to me to hold Hasbro as well for being responsible for letting these movies end up the way they did. I shall certainly be adding them to my **** list along with mister Murphy, Spielberg, and Bay.

Would people shut the hell up about Bay? All he did was freaking make a movie! I read comments all the time saying "Damn you Michael Bay" or "Michael bay you ass!" when all he did was make a movie. Is it really that important for people to damn someone to hell who simply made a movie? Just the sheet amount of hatred directed to him for putting pictures on a projector is freaking ridiculous.

Oh I'm not damning him to Hell, I'm just calling him Childish... and Racist...and sexist... and an asshole.

Atary77 wrote:Oh I'm not damning him to Hell, I'm just calling him Childish... and Racist...and sexist... and an asshole.

Oh, racist. Because robots speak slang, and have gold teeth, that automatically makes them black.

But the dreads in DOTM seemed kind of racist to me, and those are the only ones that people don't notice. Too bad I don't care though.

I can understand him being an asshole. If you where getting death threats and having people break into your apartment, people being ungrateful and ignorant, just for making a movie, I bet you'd be an ass too.

Oh the twins were only a small part of the racist stuff there SlyTF1 as I mentioned above. And I belive he was an asshole before the TF movies and fans reactions to them.

Atary77 wrote:Oh the twins were only a small part of the racist stuff there SlyTF1 as I mentioned above. And I belive he was an asshole before the TF movies and fans reactions to them.

The same thing happened to him with other movies.

Oh it dosen't surprise me his other movies were just as bad. And probably have racist elements as well.

It's not about hating Bay personally, it's about being a supporter of someone that couldn't give a damn about the fandom or the franchise some deem he has sullied. Bay has vocalized his disgust towards us, and I believe that several fans have the right to express their opinions of the product in return. I find it fascinating how some opinions are regarded as less important than any other. Some of us have been with the franchise since its inception, and for us not to be able to freely express a disapproval of the characters from afternoon cartoons, to comic books, videogames, toys, and on to the live action debacle (IMO) is saying our passion was spent in vain. Statements that invalidate that connection to our - yes "precious" - memories would enrage anyone that considers themselves true fans. Furthermore, we do not invalidate others opinions - only clarify illogical statements that can be discussed in civil banter.

"Haters gonna hate"... to this, I say **** yeah, and thank God they do. Lets say DOTM was Bay's greatest career achievement. Lets say he wants to make another - hell, lets say 4 more. More power to him. But think about the alternative in which a comic book story is brought to the silver screen. War Within, Shattered Glass, or Last Stand of the Wreckers. All character driven with adult undertones and homages to the greatest action/sci-fi/adventure flicks ever imagined (Star Wars, Star Trek, Full Metal Jacket, etc.). You say the human characters need to be represented, I say the bots themselves are the embodiment of the facets of humanity worthy of storytelling - complete with character flaw, tragedy, heroism, and yes - romance.

So, yeah... I come off as some kind of overgrown fanboy. Yeah, I take it too seriously. Yeah, the franchise has not been made for my personal taste. And yeah, Hasbro isn't even aware of my meager existence - and that's fine. But when someone that has no idea why I loved the franchise for so long tells me to get over it - I cannot let that pass without letting them know they're a noob, and have no idea of the universe these characters have traversed these past decades. Respect that, and we can move on from there.

Atary77 wrote:Oh it dosen't surprise me his other movies were just as bad. And probably have racist elements as well.

I guess Pearl Harbor was racist because it had a black guy in it. And they used a word. I would say it, but I can't afford another strike.

Atary77, if you're going to post on these forums please curb your language.

Sly, i've told you that plenty of times before.

And for everyone else, i'm going to assume this is going to be the same old "discussion" that we've had a thousand times before yeah? Movie supporters -vs- Movie haters. 'cause you know, i'm damn sick of it. If you're going to discuss it AGAIN then be respectful of the opinions of others.

Burn wrote:Atary77, if you're going to post on these forums please curb your language.

Sly, i've told you that plenty of times before.

Aw, I thought I was doing good.

I actually thought he vastly improved his racism and sexism in DOTM when compared to ROTF.
Carly and Charlotte were both strong female characters not there just for sex like Mikaela (I mean, can you imagine her telling Megatron that he's a bitch?) and there were no obviously racist characters like how ROTF was practically littered with (not just the twins, they were everywhere).
I think Bay's actually learning from his mistakes.

Starscream GaGa wrote:I actually thought he vastly improved his racism and sexism in DOTM when compared to ROTF.
Carly and Charlotte were both strong female characters not there just for sex like Mikaela (I mean, can you imagine her telling Megatron that he's a bitch?) and there were no obviously racist characters like how ROTF was practically littered with (not just the twins, they were everywhere).
I think Bay's actually learning from his mistakes.

The Dreads are the most obviously racist characters in the whole trilogy!

[DECEASED] wrote:It's not about hating Bay personally, it's about being a supporter of someone that couldn't give a damn about the fandom or the franchise some deem he has sullied. Bay has vocalized his disgust towards us, and I believe that several fans have the right to express their opinions of the product in return. .

Yes he has vocalised his disgust towards the fandom. This part is true. But one thing that everyone seems to forget is this was after his house was broken into, as well as after he recieved death threats for Optimus Prime's Peter built having flames. I don't know about you but i'd have a preety sour taste about the fandom as well.

Burn wrote: And for everyone else, i'm going to assume this is going to be the same old "discussion" that we've had a thousand times before yeah?

Haha.. ya, pretty much.

Okay, if this was the fall of last year I'd write a page of text explosions out of anger but I'm going to (attempt to) handle this like a mature individual. However, I'm going to be brutally honest, even if people don't like it.
This is directed at the original post:
-Thank you for telling me that my eyes were being r***d and that I shouldn't enjoy these movies. I love when people tell me what to believe. I'm shocked to discover that the films that made me love Transformers and as a result make me watch the G1 show and by truckloads of action figures are wrong and have shown me evil.
-You throw around "childish, sexist, racist, asshole" so much yet you can't give me a valid reason why he deserves that title. SlyTF1 already disproved the racism for me, and as he implied you would honestly have to associate cetain behaviors as a trait of every individual of a specific race, and then decide that the way it is presented is meant to be offensive in order to call it racist. You may have a good point on sexism about the scenes of Megan and Rosie where the focus was solely on them, but in reality they weren't forced with a weapon pointed at them when those scenes were filmed. And I found Megan Fox's character to have little importance or relevance to the movies at all, as she really did nothing but stand around, but I didn't think she hogged screentime. But I liked Rosie's character, because she wasn't a wimp and actually was relevant to the events of the story. Besides the select several-second scenes throughout all three films I can find no potential sexism.
-I'll agree with the bad humor, but I have to point the finger at Orci and Kurtzman for that. I did think there was only one instance of inappropriate humor in DOTM, and the rest was silly humor, which is probably due to a different writer.
-If you really think you're childhood was r***d, then just say "I didn't like the movies, so I can move on so it doesn't bother me." You don't have to let them take over your brain. Unless someone has strapped you to a chair and is forcing you to watch these movies and is forcing you to like them, then I think you can be better off watching the G1 cartoon again. It will save you the pain in the long run if you're really that bruised and scarred by Michael Bay's affliction. I wasn't a big fan of the Beast Era or even the Prime series. So what? Do you think I should tell people they've been r***d by TV shows?
-Last but not least, just remember that your opinion is your opinion and my opinion is mine, and that you don't represent "the fans" as a whole. Burn's going to yell at me for saying this AGAIN, but I enjoyed the movies, I'm proud of Bay's work, and overall I'm glad they exist in the state they do, period.

5150 Cruiser wrote: I don't know about you but i'd have a preety sour taste about the fandom as well.

Fair enough. If you deem it fit to generalize people, on the basis of isolated circumstance, it is your right to agree with such action. And it is within human nature to do so - especially when it comes to your home. However, these underlying opinions of a part of our own community, it seems to me, were held by him long before he kinda sorta wanted to do the first film. It has been my experience that generalizations like these not only shut social doors, but impact an approach to film making to the broad audience. But film making and storytelling doesn't matter as long as the action sequences kick ass. In fact, if all that junk that sets up the action allows me time to run to the john or get a refill on concessions, it serves its purpose. As some posts have indicated - it doesn't matter does it? My opinion doesn't matter - so why should I express it. I should shut my mouth, get out of the way, and let the circle jerk commence. And that's exactly what I plan to do. I've been convinced to not take this franchise seriously anymore. So, in a way, thanks. Saves me, my sons, my daughter, and their children a lot of money.