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Rodimus Prime wrote:How can you get respect if you don't give respect to get it? Only way, is if the other person doesn't go by that theory.

It falls on the initiator of the conversation to attempt to be respectful. As for myself, I've lost respect for all but a few on these forums. Attempting to show respect got me personal attacks and snide insinuations from the majority. So yeah...

Capt.Failure wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:How can you get respect if you don't give respect to get it? Only way, is if the other person doesn't go by that theory.

It falls on the initiator of the conversation to attempt to be respectful.

Yeah, I realized this as I was re-reading my post.

As for myself, I've lost respect for all but a few on these forums. Attempting to show respect got me personal attacks and snide insinuations. So yeah...

Key is to not take it personally. The other day someone told me to eat **** and commit suicide, because I posted that I listened to a Lady Gaga song. Now, this poster has been belligerent recently, but not to me. So I wasn't sure if it was because of the song, or because the person was just inconsiderate. I didn't respond, partly because a moderator handled it by the time I saw it, and partly because these comments don't bother me anymore. Back in the day (like, when I joined this place 10 years ago) I would have flamed them until I got banned or they left. But now it just rolls off my back. (Lot of **** has happened in my personal life as well, giving me Rhinox skin (or an Iron hide; pick one ))

Anyway, it doesn't pay to be the moral police in places like these. You'll only be wasting your time and energy. People who post crap will sooner or later be washed away by it. Mark the few posters you really see optic-to-optic with and stick to conversations with them. Most inappropriate stuff is handled fairly quickly and swiftly by the mods here. Keep in mind that in the end, this is a fan board for fun and recreation. It's not a job or a life-necessity. If you treat it as such, it won't end well. It's like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:How can you get respect if you don't give respect to get it? Only way, is if the other person doesn't go by that theory.

It falls on the initiator of the conversation to attempt to be respectful.

Yeah, I realized this as I was re-reading my post.

As for myself, I've lost respect for all but a few on these forums. Attempting to show respect got me personal attacks and snide insinuations. So yeah...

Key is to not take it personally. The other day someone told me to eat **** and commit suicide, because I posted that I listened to a Lady Gaga song. Now, this poster has been belligerent recently, but not to me. So I wasn't sure if it was because of the song, or because the person was just inconsiderate. I didn't respond, partly because a moderator handled it by the time I saw it, and partly because these comments don't bother me anymore. Back in the day (like, when I joined this place 10 years ago) I would have flamed them until I got banned or they left. But now it just rolls off my back. (Lot of **** has happened in my personal life as well, giving me Rhinox skin (or an Iron hide; pick one ))

Anyway, it doesn't pay to be the moral police in places like these. You'll only be wasting your time and energy. People who post crap will sooner or later be washed away by it. Mark the few posters you really see optic-to-optic with and stick to conversations with them. Most inappropriate stuff is handled fairly quickly and swiftly by the mods here. Keep in mind that in the end, this is a fan board for fun and recreation. It's not a job or a life-necessity. If you treat it as such, it won't end well. It's like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

Heh, not trying to be the moral police though I reserve my right to rant about it in frustration.

Capt.Failure wrote: It has nothing at all to do with who liked or disliked what, but everything to do with civility and respect. Sadly the fandom at large knows nothing of these concepts, at least online.

I think this sums it up perfect. People can like, or dislike whatever they want. But its how people go about expressing that like or dislike. And one of the biggest problems i have with those that don't like the movies within the fandom is the amount of disrespect they have for the people involved.
For whatever reason people love to take personal stabs at the actors, writers and Bay. we all know Bay got death threats and his house broken into by fans. After that people found ways to personally attack nearly everyone involved with the movies.
The most recent was in the thread regarding Rosie Huntion Whitely (sorry, I'm pretty sure i spelt her name wrong) in which she commented that Shia might be up for returning for a 4th movie. Someone made a comment..
"Who cares what this moron has to say!" She's stupid!"
Really? Was a comment like that about a person whom you've never meet in your life really necessary? The answer is no. No, its not. People also seem to love to take stabs at Shia. Again, completely unnecessary and indefensible. I read this ignorant comments and wonder how anyone can take the fandom seriously, or respect their opinions.

Now to be fair, this isn't just limited to the TF fandom. Nearly every "geek" fandom is guilty of this in some shape or form, but if people seriously want people to take them seriously and listen to them then these personal attacks need to stop.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote: It has nothing at all to do with who liked or disliked what, but everything to do with civility and respect. Sadly the fandom at large knows nothing of these concepts, at least online.

I think this sums it up perfect. People can like, or dislike whatever they want. But its how people go about expressing that like or dislike. And one of the biggest problems i have with those that don't like the movies within the fandom is the amount of disrespect they have for the people involved.
For whatever reason people love to take personal stabs at the actors, writers and Bay. we all know Bay got death threats and his house broken into by fans. After that people found ways to personally attack nearly everyone involved with the movies.
The most recent was in the thread regarding Rosie Huntion Whitely (sorry, I'm pretty sure i spelt her name wrong) in which she commented that Shia might be up for returning for a 4th movie. Someone made a comment..
"Who cares what this moron has to say!" She's stupid!"
Really? Was a comment like that about a person whom you've never meet in your life really necessary? The answer is no. No, its not. People also seem to love to take stabs at Shia. Again, completely unnecessary and indefensible. I read this ignorant comments and wonder how anyone can take the fandom seriously, or respect their opinions.

Now to be fair, this isn't just limited to the TF fandom. Nearly every "geek" fandom is guilty of this in some shape or form, but if people seriously want people to take them seriously and listen to them then these personal attacks need to stop.

The most hilarious part about this are the members of the fanbase who rant that, in their words, "Bay has no respect for Transformers fans."

To that I ask a simple question: Between threatening his life and destroying his property and bombarding him with verbal attacks before the films even got off the ground what has the fandom done to earn that respect?

Note the emphasis on the word "earn?" Yeah, the Transformers fanbase lost their chance to earn respect from Bay the moment his name got put on the film by acting like crazed, murderous lunatics. The fact they even consider him in the wrong at all is laughable.

from my unique view point on this from being a internet TF poster/replier since 1997.

only a extremly small percentage of internet fans act out in fan rage,dis-respect,are super conceited & think their more superior than others. MOST OF THE TIME THESE GUYS KEEP GETTING BANNED OR SUSPENDED FROM THE MORE MATURE/RESPECTFUL TF MODERATED FORUMS.

This small percentage likes to keep repeating the same thing over & over. even going the extra mile by creating tons of new user names in a desperate effort to get their voice heard more & make their opinion seem like the majority.

Most of us,just ignore fans like this & try our hardest to keep things civial & as mature in discussion as we can.

this is why most TF fans left the old school usenet message boards. because trolls thrive on usenet because their is no moderation & such a inferior obsolete technology.

Oh dear… I can’t watch the youtube link that started this thread, but given the OP’s commentary, immediately assumed that it had to be the infamous Mrs. Optimus Prime’s latest incoherent rant about the fictional love of her life. Just the fact that I made that assumption probably says a lot about my own feelings reference extreme fans in general.

Which brings up this: One question I’ve never, ever gotten an answer to, from ANY fandom, is why the extremism is the first place? Why does everything have to be either/or? Hate or love? Basher or…or blind supporter, I guess? (I’m not sure what the usual fan term for the opposite of a basher is these days.) What about fans who have a more nuanced response, the ones who look at every new offering from a dual viewpoint, both objective and subjective, at the same time—where do they fit in? I mean, I KIND OF HATE certain aspects of DOTM in the same sense I loathe some of the Star Wars movie Revenge Of The Sith. And yet both movies have also given me the things I LOVE MOST out of both respective franchises to date. So what sort of label does that rate? If I went to a Transformer convention, would I get to wear both buttons, the I HATE BAYFORMERS and the I LOVE BAYFORMERS ones, together?

I also like dogs AND cats. Never did get some peoples‘ insistence over choosing only one or the other…never will…

Biddybot wrote:Oh dear… I can’t watch the youtube link that started this thread, but given the OP’s commentary, immediately assumed that it had to be the infamous Mrs. Optimus Prime’s latest incoherent rant about the fictional love of her life. Just the fact that I made that assumption probably says a lot about my own feelings reference extreme fans in general.

Which brings up this: One question I’ve never, ever gotten an answer to, from ANY fandom, is why the extremism is the first place? Why does everything have to be either/or? Hate or love? Basher or…or blind supporter, I guess? (I’m not sure what the usual fan term for the opposite of a basher is these days.) What about fans who have a more nuanced response, the ones who look at every new offering from a dual viewpoint, both objective and subjective, at the same time—where do they fit in? I mean, I KIND OF HATE certain aspects of DOTM in the same sense I loathe some of the Star Wars movie Revenge Of The Sith. And yet both movies have also given me the things I LOVE MOST out of both respective franchises to date. So what sort of label does that rate? If I went to a Transformer convention, would I get to wear both buttons, the I HATE BAYFORMERS and the I LOVE BAYFORMERS ones, together?

I also like dogs AND cats. Never did get some peoples‘ insistence over choosing only one or the other…never will…

I agree with this reply & i'm sorta the same way as being neutral.

I try to find a few positives even in stuff I really hate. examples: 1- I hate the live action TF movies dialogue,stories,plots,arcs,humans & some generic/inferior/amateur voice actors who voice some of the robots. HOWEVER MY POSITIVE is I find joy & satisfaction in the beautiful state of the art CGI ROBOT Designs in the movie.

other positives I find in Transformers toy lines I really hate/Loate. most of the time I find a few of the best designed TF toys in the most awfully designed TF toy lines of all time. like animated leader sized megatron being the best megatron that transforms into a vechicle. beastmachines ultra sized jetstorm being a awesome design. TM2 Tigerhawk being the best designed beastwars toy.

I must admit with IDW,I'm running out of positive reasons to keep buying the TF on-going Comics.

while I don't really like the TF prime cartoon. I like how it mimicks the animated cartoon a bit by having bulkhead,ratchet & optimus.

Biddybot wrote:Oh dear… I can’t watch the youtube link that started this thread, but given the OP’s commentary, immediately assumed that it had to be the infamous Mrs. Optimus Prime’s latest incoherent rant about the fictional love of her life. Just the fact that I made that assumption probably says a lot about my own feelings reference extreme fans in general.

Which brings up this: One question I’ve never, ever gotten an answer to, from ANY fandom, is why the extremism is the first place? Why does everything have to be either/or? Hate or love? Basher or…or blind supporter, I guess? (I’m not sure what the usual fan term for the opposite of a basher is these days.) What about fans who have a more nuanced response, the ones who look at every new offering from a dual viewpoint, both objective and subjective, at the same time—where do they fit in? I mean, I KIND OF HATE certain aspects of DOTM in the same sense I loathe some of the Star Wars movie Revenge Of The Sith. And yet both movies have also given me the things I LOVE MOST out of both respective franchises to date. So what sort of label does that rate? If I went to a Transformer convention, would I get to wear both buttons, the I HATE BAYFORMERS and the I LOVE BAYFORMERS ones, together?

I also like dogs AND cats. Never did get some peoples‘ insistence over choosing only one or the other…never will…

The opposite term would be "fanboy," as in someone who thinks it can do no wrong. The more you know...

The video was actually a humorous but in my opinion spot on flash animation music video about nerds raging about things they don't like with the same outrage as if someone sprayed spraypaint all over the Mona Lisa. Quite simply it's a matter of fanbases being conservative groups, but in this case conservative about what is an acceptable state for the thing they love. This is why you'll get the classic fan arguement, "It's not a Transformers/Star Trek/Star Wars/Harry Potter/Lord of the Rings movie" when a movie comes out because there will be changes for various reasons, whether they're caused by production constraints, remaking classic series, or entering new stories into the existing franchise. The fact these films have catapulted what they love to massive success outside the core fandom is unimportant to them. At worse it's the reason they're so angry.

Your position on the matter goes by the internet terminology idort: to enjoy two sides of something which are supposed to be opposed. There's nothing wrong with being one contrary to the origin of the term, or with being able to recognize the flaws in what you enjoy while still enjoying it. Makes you a more mature fan in the long run.