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So, I just saw the movie for a second time (and I never see movies twice) and started to think that there is alot more than meets the eye.

First, I assume everyone noticed that Megs kicked the crap out of prime. His weapons were more powerful and he was literally larger in size. Second, the allspark destoryed Megs' spark via the same method that it would have destoryed Prime's. Finally, the allspark gave rise to machines that were "evil", and prime eluded to a primative form/violent time.

The first theory is that prior to evolution of intelligence Megs and Prime both arise at or around the same time from the creation of the allspark. However at some point in the time line, Megs actually touches or bonds in some form with the allspark. As a result, he becomes stronger and bigger. Furthermore, he is a crack-allspark addict and develops the ability to sense it. Therefore, he is able to track it to earth, which explains part of the prequel comic.

Second portion of the theory: Prime and Megs literally arose from the same time during pre-intelligent bots of the cybertron. Prime's intelligence and chrisma allows him to create the civilization, while Megs assumes the protector role. As they created cybertron and the great empire, they shared a common goal, and the empire grew without bounds until the backstabbing by the "younger" brother. Thus, when prime goes to destroy the allspark with his. The spark emitting from megs is recoginzed rather and destroys himself and the allspark.


Finally, you came all flame me on this. The evolution is hinted at by the xbox, Soda machine, and phone all becoming primative/unintelligent machines just aiming to destroy. Also, Prime tells Ironhide that "we use to be same way" in regards to primative humans. Furthermore in the comic, Prime has direct location of the allspark known prior to launching it into space, which he assigns to BB. This eludes that Primes is not only the leader, but also the founder of the civilization.

Please debate on this, for we will get some good talk going.

I dunno, it seems more likely that the allspark robots aren't "evil", but were confused and acting out of fear (afterall, what would you do if you woke up and aliens were all around you and you had guns?).

Although there's something else that would support your theory: when Megatron dies, Optimus calls him brother. This is unusual because Prime seems less saddened by Jazz's death and Prime didn't seem to have remorse when he shanked Bonecrusher with the energy knife.

CamBee wrote:So, I just saw the movie for a second time (and I never see movies twice) and started to think that there is alot more than meets the eye.

First, I assume everyone noticed that Megs kicked the crap out of prime. His weapons were more powerful and he was literally larger in size. Second, the allspark destoryed Megs' spark via the same method that it would have destoryed Prime's. Finally, the allspark gave rise to machines that were "evil", and prime eluded to a primative form/violent time.

The first theory is that prior to evolution of intelligence Megs and Prime both arise at or around the same time from the creation of the allspark. However at some point in the time line, Megs actually touches or bonds in some form with the allspark. As a result, he becomes stronger and bigger. Furthermore, he is a crack-allspark addict and develops the ability to sense it. Therefore, he is able to track it to earth, which explains part of the prequel comic.

Second portion of the theory: Prime and Megs literally arose from the same time during pre-intelligent bots of the cybertron. Prime's intelligence and chrisma allows him to create the civilization, while Megs assumes the protector role. As they created cybertron and the great empire, they shared a common goal, and the empire grew without bounds until the backstabbing by the "younger" brother. Thus, when prime goes to destroy the allspark with his. The spark emitting from megs is recoginzed rather and destroys himself and the allspark.


Finally, you came all flame me on this. The evolution is hinted at by the xbox, Soda machine, and phone all becoming primative/unintelligent machines just aiming to destroy. Also, Prime tells Ironhide that "we use to be same way" in regards to primative humans. Furthermore in the comic, Prime has direct location of the allspark known prior to launching it into space, which he assigns to BB. This eludes that Primes is not only the leader, but also the founder of the civilization.

Please debate on this, for we will get some good talk going.

I think you may be onto something here. What if all Transformers are born evil or aggressive from the All-Spark and it is inheriantly an evil entity of some sort but still gives off unlimited power. The Autobots could have evolved away from the aggressiveness they were born with and became the voice of reason whereas the decepticons were just a naturally aggressive aspect of the evolutionary process kind of like humans and animals. While humans display reason, we are simply animals trying to survive. Reason or no reason it is survival of the fittest and the Decepticons are more fit and more capable of surviving over the Autobots. Perhaps then the All-Spark shouldn't exist because of its potential to create chaos which the Autobots are trying to evolve from.

Actually you have to watch the fighting of Prime and megs in the background while Blackout is being targetted by the Sector 7 and Military characters.

Optimus puts up a pretty good accounting for himself.

and I simply don't think we saw enough to gauge Primes Grief for Jazz.

As far as the allspark creating only decepticons, I personally believe it may reflect its circumstances. In Times of peace it may create autobots (or periods where its surroundings are calm) but when its surroundings are chaotic it may create Decepticons.

Gierling wrote:Actually you have to watch the fighting of Prime and megs in the background while Blackout is being targetted by the Sector 7 and Military characters.

Optimus puts up a pretty good accounting for himself.

and I simply don't think we saw enough to gauge Primes Grief for Jazz.

As far as the allspark creating only decepticons, I personally believe it may reflect its circumstances. In Times of peace it may create autobots (or periods where its surroundings are calm) but when its surroundings are chaotic it may create Decepticons.

I am not trying to discourage debate, but how does allspark create good in times of peace and evil times of violence? Assuming that it gave rise to all bots, then wouldn't the time before it be chaotic?

Thats also assuming we know more about it then we do.

For all we know Alpha Trion could show up at the end of the next movie and explain that the Allspark is just a conduit for Primus or something along those lines.

The X box and Pop machine or whatever are basically new born babies. Imagine the very instant you were born you also happened to have a Mt. Dew Canon for an arm, who could hold you responsible for blasting a few people?

Perhaps the allspark creates life in the form of the mood around it. Born in battle..born evil.

I can't say I saw a single situation where there were any zen like positive feelings going on.

Rad hater. wrote:I dunno, it seems more likely that the allspark robots aren't "evil", but were confused and acting out of fear (afterall, what would you do if you woke up and aliens were all around you and you had guns?).

That would also explain the cell phone test as well. It looked more freaked out and scared than evil. It came to life surrounded by (relatively) giant creatures and stuck inside a glass box.

Bumblebee was just about ready to fry a few humans when Sam woke him up at Sector 7. Same concept. Disoriented and unsure of the situation.

i've only seen this once so far, but what i felt was going on with those newly created bots was coming off of what sec7 said about all technology.. if they took all modern technology from megatron (who was evil) maybe when the spark ignited the tech they just went off of megatron's essence?

thats what i accepted after watching the film..

im going with the whole, scary new world theory, i mean if i was plunged into a world of people like us, and was born with guns for arms id start raising hell

as for megs calling prime brother, im pretty sure its just that all transformers arose from there creator the allspark and in a sense they are brothers. but not a sibling like bond i dont think, can you see megs and prime playing ball in the park together, if the ball was a proton missle and the park was a dead cybertronian battlefield maybe.