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Both Original 13, both powerful, and both evil

Gotta go with Liege Maximo, so far he's the only original who has been known to kill another original.

The Fallen is cool, but Liege Maximo just seems more powerful.

difficult to say since we never saw Liege Maximo fight.

Liege Maximo = major ownage.

Gatkowski wrote:Liege Maximo = major ownage.

QFT

StormWolf wrote:Now Liege Maximo did kill (a reborn) Megatron in one shot during "Alignment".

Liege Maximo could possibly be the strongest of the 13, seeing how he killed the first Prime (who was also a original).

And then there's the size matter: Leige is about the size of Omega Supreme

The Fallen seems about the size Jetfire or even Vector Prime.

The Liege just seems to be in a different league powerwise than VP and the Fallen. Given that he's killed an original and is the

Which original did the Liege Maximo kill again??

Liege was never defeated but the Fallen was, I vote Maximo.

it was either primon or prima that liege killed

Liege was never defeated but the Fallen was, I vote Maximo.[/quote]

Your right Thanatos Prime the fallen was defeated but defeated by Primus I doubt the Liege could stand up to Primus.

Anyway back to the topic who would win Fallen or the Liege Maximo, never having seen the full extent of their abilities it would be hard to judge and you can't base it on size as we know Grimlock is larger than both Shockwave and Megatron yet both have managed to beat Grimlock silly.

Prime,Ultra magnus and Megatron have all single handly defeated gestalts and most gestalts stand somewhere between two to three times their height.

So in answer to your question just on a whim I am going to say Liege Maximo he just seems more powerfull than the Fallen does. Of course thats only a guess.

Galaxion wrote:

Thanatos Prime wrote:Liege was never defeated but the Fallen was, I vote Maximo.

Your right Thanatos Prime the fallen was defeated but defeated by Primus I doubt the Liege could stand up to Primus.

Ah, crap forgot about that ending. I meant when the Fallen was defeated and thrown into an alternate diemension. I always assumed it was one of the original 13 that did that, possibly even LM himself.

Thanatos Prime wrote:

Galaxion wrote:

Thanatos Prime wrote:Liege was never defeated but the Fallen was, I vote Maximo.

Your right Thanatos Prime the fallen was defeated but defeated by Primus I doubt the Liege could stand up to Primus.

Ah, crap forgot about that ending. I meant when the Fallen was defeated and thrown into an alternate diemension. I always assumed it was one of the original 13 that did that, possibly even LM himself.

You could reason that a couple of the 13 ganged up on him, Primon might have still been alive at that point

Although there's no info on this.

Furman really needs to write a original 13 story

Which Fallen?

I reckon that LM wins this. He's so enormous and strong.