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One massive dogfight featuring all your favourite Decepticon seekers!

Starscream, Skywarp, Thundercracker, Thrust, Ramjet and Dirge, taking on Skyfire and the Aerialbots.

Who claims victory?

Aerialbots and Skyfire.

Superion could take out most of the seekers, and leave what's left for Skyfire.



THAT IS, of course, you leave Sunstorm out of this scrap.

by "massive dogfight" im assuming you mean they cant transform. id have to go with the seekers. only one of the aerialbots is particularly skilled at dogfighting, and none of them have any unique abilities.

slingshot is small, slow and weak

silverbolt is probably the second best flier among them, and hes afraid of heights

fireflight cant pay attention and it just as likely to run into a fellow autobot as he is to defeat a decepticon

air raid is reckless and doesnt think strategically

skydive is a very skilled flier and dogfighter


so other than two of them, they all seem kind of below average. the seekers however are far more experienced in fighting as a team, and just fighting in general, and they all have an added power to give them an edge.

skywarp can teleport

ramjet is super durable and can survive a collision with any aerialbot

starscream has null rays, which will knock anything out of the sky with one hit

thundercracker can create sonic booms that cause pain to audio receptors

thrust can accelerate and become the fastest out of all the fliers for brief periods


so looking at that its a pretty obvious choice. jetfire is the only thing im not too sure about. hes a bid target, and he never seemed to be a very good fighter. more transport and scientist than warrior. in the cartoon he and starscream took each other out, but we didnt really see what happened to starscream after. jetfire crashed, but starscream just disappeared, meaning he might not have been particularly damaged but retreated along with his fellow decepticons. whatever the case, i think the seekers would take out most of the aerialbots and starscream would either defeat jetfire, or the remaining seekers would once the aerialbots were gone.

MercilessOne wrote:Aerialbots and Skyfire.

THAT IS, of course, you leave Sunstorm out of this scrap.

Yeah, he's out. No Sunstorm in this battle.

unique_username wrote:by "massive dogfight" im assuming you mean they cant transform.

Well actually... they can transform. I should've mentioned that, hey? Silly me!

Aerialbots and Skyfire will win.
Superion alone is pretty strong and can take out at least 3/4 seekers.
Skyfire's not too bad either.
And the seekers will probably focus on Superion instead of Skyfire, since he's the greater threat.
Which gives Skyfire chances to take them out.

The winners would be the Seekers, even against Jetfire and Superion.

Starscream can take out Jetfire one-on-one, Ramjet is designed to be a living dart, and Superion is one of the biggest autobot targets. Five-on-one, the second-line Seekers are too much for Superion.

Chaoslock wrote:Five-on-one, the second-line Seekers are too much for Superion.

Oh yes, but Superion can attack, split up, attack individually, combine again.
Besides, the second-gen Seekers were proven to be quite incompetent in the G1 cartoon.

Combining or splitting up takes time, and in the process, it can be stopped, like the Rumble-Frenzy duo did to Devastator.

I must watch the cartoon again, but as I recall, the first three seeker was enough to keep the aerialbots in bay.

The Aerialbots have already proven to be superior to the conehead Seekers in "Aerialbots Over America". They'll also be able to handle the other 3 when Skyfire helps them.

What the heck (I don't know if you can cuss on this site) is wrong with you! The seekers would win by all the points listed here already. I agree that Superion is a good transformer, but fighting with a bunch of super advanced jets is a bit idiotic. The aerial bots would have their @$$ handed to them so many times they would fall over and DIE.

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These pictures are nice and everything, but what does it have to do with this battle?

skywarpsuperseeker wrote:What the heck (I don't know if you can cuss on this site) is wrong with you! The seekers would win by all the points listed here already. I agree that Superion is a good transformer, but fighting with a bunch of super advanced jets is a bit idiotic. The aerial bots would have their @$$ handed to them so many times they would fall over and DIE.

I dunno, SSS (If I may call you that)... I don't think it'd be that simple...

Stormwolf's right. The Aerialbots are a bit better than the conehead seekers. They wouldn't have too much trouble picking them apart. Especially since Skyfire's in this fight too. And Thrust is a bit of a coward. Should the Aerialbots have the upper hand, he simply hightail it out of there.

However, Starscream, Skywarp and Thundercracker are more experienced, posing as a real threat. Plus, all three seekers have powerful abilities, giving their firepower an edge. But Skydive's a strategist, he'd be able to come up with a decent plan, possibly giving the Aerialbots the victory.

Still, this is a tough battle. It could go either way.

thrust and dirge arnt going to be big contenders, but they dont really have to be. slingshot is so slow he might as well not be in this fight. ramjet should do pretty well though, he can fly as fast as starscream, and is alot more durable. superion would be able to take alot of punishment, but i think forming a huge robot in the middle of a dogfight would probably be a mistake. superion is fast for a combiner, but his agility would be hoddible compaired to the seekers, and with ramjet around it would be a big risk.

if the other seekers could keep him busy, superion would be in alot of trouble if ramjet flew straight into his head. a car at full speed driving into menasors face was enough to take him out, so a super durable jet at speeds of over mach 2 would completly disable superion for a long time.

the big problem is that only one of the aerialbots is an exceptional flier. dirge and thrust arnt very good and they rely on fear more than skill, but one on one either of them should be able to massacre slingshot in the open sky. skydive is the only one that would probably take out one of more of the seekers. silverbolt is good, but if he was separated from his unit and couldnt focus on giving them orders hed be bad in a high altitude dogfight, and someone like skywarp with his teleporting should be able to lure him away, disappear from sight, leaving silverbolt along long enough to look down and freak out, and then reappear and pick him off.

the aerialbots just arnt good enough to win. none of them really excel physically, and only one of them is skilled enough to keep up in a fight like this. and superion was taken out by the combined attack of three seekers in dreamwave, so 5 of them is just too much for him to take. and, jetfire is either taken out by starscream, or left too damaged to continue fighting effectively.

A good battle. I have to say that Jetfire and the Aerialbots will win the battle. If the Aerialbots will combine into Superion. They'll definately win the battle.

unique_username wrote: slingshot is so slow he might as well not be in this fight.

Not true. He's an excellent shot. He might not be as fast as everyone else, but he could still blast the seekers out of the sky. With his maneuverability (In jet mode) and accuracy, he's dangerous.

unique_username wrote:silverbolt is good, but if he was separated from his unit and couldnt focus on giving them orders hed be bad in a high altitude dogfight, and someone like skywarp with his teleporting should be able to lure him away, disappear from sight, leaving silverbolt along long enough to look down and freak out, and then reappear and pick him off.

Perhaps. As long as Siverbolt is giving orders and/or fighting, he's not going to freak out. I think he'd be too busy worrying about being blasted in half, rather than being too high up in the sky.

Arial bots Against seekers seekers any day but Jet/Skyfire is a huge wild card I think that Skyfire would do much better than you guys are predicting. All in all it would definatly be a great fight. I would pay to watch it.

What if you added Sunstorm and Powerglide?

DarkJet wrote:Arial bots Against seekers seekers any day but Jet/Skyfire is a huge wild card I think that Skyfire would do much better than you guys are predicting. All in all it would definatly be a great fight. I would pay to watch it.

What if you added Sunstorm and Powerglide?

Powerglide wouldn't make much of a difference. And Sunstorm is overkill. We agreed not to add him.

MercilessOne wrote:

DarkJet wrote:Arial bots Against seekers seekers any day but Jet/Skyfire is a huge wild card I think that Skyfire would do much better than you guys are predicting. All in all it would definatly be a great fight. I would pay to watch it.

What if you added Sunstorm and Powerglide?

Powerglide wouldn't make much of a difference. And Sunstorm is overkill. We agreed not to add him.

Indeed. Sunstorm's too good.

I just don't think Powerglide is that good. He wouldn't be able to hold his own. That's why Skyfire's in. And like what Darkjet said, he'd do much better than most of you think.

But seriously, could you imagine Powerglide? "And awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay we go!" Five seconds later, the poor fool would get blasted out of the sky. lol

Powerglide is considerably weak and prone to damage.

i thimnk that this battle would go on and on and on untill one peron was standing, heavily damaged, don't know if it'd be a seeker or bot though

Condan1993 wrote:i thimnk that this battle would go on and on and on untill one peron was standing, heavily damaged, don't know if it'd be a seeker or bot though

Unless the Aerialbots will combine into Superion, the Seekers won't even stand a chance.

The seekers don't have any good leader.
Starscream have ambitions, true, but I don't think he would be that good in a commanding role, compared to Jetfire and Silverbolt that is.

Dirge would really be of use against Silverbolt, using his fear inducing engine sound and Ramjet would seriously criple Superion even with a chest hit.

Skywarp would be one of the best flyers as he's got teleportation powers and most of the arialbots aren't really that good fighters.
The question is if Starscream would be able to direct him to where he's really useful? He probably won't be able to do much unless there's someone pointing out what to do.

Jetfire may be a scientist, but he did manage to fight Starscream to a standstill, and Starscream had thousands of years of fighting experience. Jetfire had just been thawed and was still just a scientist.
If we tae a look later on in the series he's able to stand his own against both a couple of seekers, Soundwave AND shockwave. (The ultimate doom, one of my favourite episodes ^^)

My guess is that the Autobots would win
Not because of Superion or such, but because of Starscreams cowardice and incompetense.
if anyone manages to scratch him he would leave, leaving skywarp pretty useless. Now the Seekers would be seriously outnumbered and they would probably follow Starscreams example.

Just my thought ^^

Come, on. Skyfire went down after one shot. I say the Seekers.

Well, all in all, Decepticons here have more abilities, skill, and Team performance than the Bots all together. In dog Fights Cons are better. Even though jet Fire damaged starscream, it was kind of even out battle. I see that Cons would Simply take out Jet Fire first, in a massive attack, and then, whether Aerial Bots do combine or not. Thedn They would either take em out one by one, or a massive attack on Superion. Cons win.