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The new Batman as he was near after the end of the Batman Beyond series vs. Spider-man from his movie incarnation. (after Spider-man 3).

A 3 rounds match in a big city that is neither Gotham nor New York. (yeah those two are basicaly the same anyway but I don't wan't people to give advantage based on being home.) Both contestants scedule is completely free. Batman can rely on his usual assets and Bruce Wayne as usual and Spidey can always ask his inner Oncle for consel. (But I doubt moral help is going to be of any help really...) This is not a fight to death and no hostages can be kidnapped.

First round: The time is right after sunset.
Second round: The next afternoon.
Third round (If need be) : During the following night.

Well I'd have to give this on to Spidy.It might be a good fight but Peter would be the clear winner.

Old Bruce helping out wouldnt help much because he moves to slow and Petes spider-sence would warn him.

Maybe if Bruce works out a way to negate the spider-sence but other wise its Peter all the way.

spider-man should win. in the 3rd movie he took on the new goblin, who was using advanced tech without really trying to hurt him. terry can fly, but so could the goblin, and spiderman was really holding back.

terry is a good fighter, but he doesnt have bruces extreme skill or intelligence. being batman is kind of something he came across, and he balances it with a normal life and a girlfriend. bruce devoted himself entirely to being batman, everything he was was about being at the peak of his abilities. terry is highly skilled and intelligent, but he just doesnt put in the time bruce did.

so that wned up as terry being one of the better opponenets spiderman has seen, but not enough to take him out. spiderman is strong enough to stop a train at high speed, durable enough to survive high falls and has the reflexes and speed to dodge bullets. id say he ends up webbing terry after a nice and reasonably even fight. he wouldnt go all out on a good guy so terry would be able to keep up, and maybe have a smallish chance.

Spidey.
Sure, Terry's Batsuit has the stealth function, but Spidey's spider-sense will more than handle that.

Moreover, Spidey's more agile, whereas Terry relies too much on that Batsuit. If Spider-man manages to cripple the suit's power, Terry can't do much about it.....

I think the first showdown would go to Spider-man.

The second and third however, with Bruce's help, may go to Terry.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Old Bruce helping out wouldnt help much because he moves to slow and Petes spider-sence would warn him.

Bruce's help in Batman Beyond was most of the time about strategy, tricks, training, research, preparing chemicals, thinking and giving various advices. That is what Bruce usualy do. That and annoying Terry.

unique_username wrote:spider-man should win. in the 3rd movie he took on the new goblin, who was using advanced tech without really trying to hurt him. terry can fly, but so could the goblin, and spiderman was really holding back.

terry is a good fighter, but he doesnt have bruces extreme skill or intelligence. being batman is kind of something he came across, and he balances it with a normal life and a girlfriend. bruce devoted himself entirely to being batman, everything he was was about being at the peak of his abilities. terry is highly skilled and intelligent, but he just doesnt put in the time bruce did.

so that wned up as terry being one of the better opponenets spiderman has seen, but not enough to take him out. spiderman is strong enough to stop a train at high speed, durable enough to survive high falls and has the reflexes and speed to dodge bullets. id say he ends up webbing terry after a nice and reasonably even fight. he wouldnt go all out on a good guy so terry would be able to keep up, and maybe have a smallish chance.

The comparison with the New Goblin or even the Green Goblin doesn't really work. They both were mad and untrained. Spidey hasn't faced as many strong opponents at this point. I don't think webs could hold Terry very long. If the enhanced strenght isn't enough, the suit could probably dissolve the webs. Don't forget this is a 3 rounds fight. Bruce would find a way to overcome Spidey's advantages in time for the second fight. Besides webbings, most of Spidey's abilites are matched by Terry using the suit.

Den-O wrote:Spidey.
Sure, Terry's Batsuit has the stealth function, but Spidey's spider-sense will more than handle that.

Moreover, Spidey's more agile, whereas Terry relies too much on that Batsuit. If Spider-man manages to cripple the suit's power, Terry can't do much about it.....

Peter is an intelligent boy but I don't quite see how he would manage to dissable the suit. Bruce made it to resist being dissabled. While some managed to, I'm sure Bruce fixed that right after. I wouldn't be surprised if he used the technology of the nanomachine organism Batman faced.

i forgot about the other two rounds. the goblin comparison was mostly just to show that spider-man is capable of effectively fighting a guy who can fly. round two would be very close, but round 3 terry probably wins becuase of bruces help.

if it was bruce himself id say round one would be a rough fight that batman might win with some gear, and after that with prep hed win the following 2. but without the hands on experience i dont think hed figure out spider-man that quickly. he might not even realize spider-man has minor precog abilities when watching terry fight him because his reflexes are so fast anyway. then he could possibly come up with something to counter them.

so ill still say spider-man wins round 1, probably 2 but terry would have new gear and new tactics and put up alot of resistance, and then in round 3 bruce would have figured out how to nullify his spider sense like iron man did, and hed have upgraded the suit enough that terry would have a big advantage and would probably win. without bruce though hed probably suffer 3 beat downs after some minor suit tweaking each round. hes clever, but he has nothing on the original batman, and on his wits alone i dont think hed manage to take on spider-man, whod also be learning from each fight.

Spider-Man is got web power and super strength and reflexes, also has the spider-sense. He easily has the ability to dodge all of Beyond's projectiles unless there up close.

Movie Spider-Man has taken a Green Goblin bomb to the face and lived without a scratch.

In terms of strength and durability and agility, Spider-Man just crushes Beyond. The only thing that batman Beyond has is the advantage of flight, which won't come in handy since he won't be able to hit Spider-Man with anything.

Spider-Man for the win.

Spider-Man would take this. Spider-Man just seems like he would overwhelm his opponent. Bruce's help wouldn't be very effective if Terry couldn't carry it out, such as if he were bound by Spider-Man's webs.

Since you picked the movie Spider-man, I'm going to choose Terry to win.

The movie Parker can only win when his opponent dies! Gobby killed himself, Ock gave his life to save the city, New Gob died....

He had to team up with harry to take out Venom. Sandman kinda quit.

Terry takes on most badguys without revealing his identity of needing tons of help or having his enemy kill themselves. Spider-sense aside, movie Parker couldn't hold a candle to Terry.

I'm going to side with Parker on the first two fights, and Bruce is going to be all kinds of pissed at Terry.

movie spidey is faster and stronger then what the bat suit enables. With 10-20 time Terry's strength, 5 tons is very generous. Add the spider senses to his crazy heightened reflexes and the question of how Terry would even hit Peter comes up.

I see the first round a total wash. Spidey may be cocky enough to show boat his skills and gets classed as a meta human with speed, webbing, and strength. Even with the show boating the strength factor might not be seen until the next fight.

Bruce helps Terry with a strategy to corner the quick web crawler and neutralize his webbing. The tricky part here is the strength factor. If Bruce knows Spidey is strong then he can estimate a level of endurance, if not Terry's weapons will lack the power to put Peter down. Round two will still likely go to Parker as his spidey sense will keep him from getting cornered. Bruce gets angry.

Now that Wayne better knows what Terry is dealing with, the kid gloves are off. Spidey probably can't take the same punishment the batsuit can, but still Terry, even in the suit, can't take the blunt force trauma Spidey can. Bruce knows about the spidey sense and devise a way to trigger it from multiple sources reducing it's direct effectiveness. Spidey can now get cornered and Terry knows to restrain him with something stronger than the webbing Bruce analyzed. The fight would be long and hard (terry may foolishly get too close) but this Batman is beyond taking three strikes.

I think the movie's second Goblin would prove a closer, if not more deadly, match for the new Batman explosives and all.

Evank_Horizon wrote:Bruce's help in Batman Beyond was most of the time about strategy, tricks, training, research, preparing chemicals, thinking and giving various advices. That is what Bruce usualy do. That and annoying Terry.

I have to take back my entire post.For some reason I missed the part of your original post that said you were talking about "Movie Spiderman".

That changes thing in my mind because movie Spidie doesnt have that much experance with meta human yet.Yes he has some but not as much as Terry and Bruce.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Evank_Horizon wrote:Bruce's help in Batman Beyond was most of the time about strategy, tricks, training, research, preparing chemicals, thinking and giving various advices. That is what Bruce usualy do. That and annoying Terry.

I have to take back my entire post.For some reason I missed the part of your original post that said you were talking about "Movie Spiderman".

That changes thing in my mind because movie Spidie doesnt have that much experance with meta human yet.Yes he has some but not as much as Terry and Bruce.

I may be off basis here, and If I am please correct me, but I thought the Spidey movie verse has a Parker whose been webbing for 3 plus years... does that match up with Terry's time in the suit?

Looking back on my post, I may have been giving movie spidey a little bit of comic spidey's experience

AxiomScion wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I have to take back my entire post.For some reason I missed the part of your original post that said you were talking about "Movie Spiderman".

That changes thing in my mind because movie Spidie doesnt have that much experance with meta human yet.Yes he has some but not as much as Terry and Bruce.

I may be off basis here, and If I am please correct me, but I thought the Spidey movie verse has a Parker whose been webbing for 3 plus years... does that match up with Terry's time in the suit?

No your right .By the end of the serries Terry was in the suit 3 years is not a little more.

But I was not saying that Terry had more experance as a hero but in dealing with Meta humans.

The Spidie in the movies seemed to deal with only ordinary crooks from day to day in between the stories that we saw in the movies.

Granted that an assumption but its a safe one.

Terry on the other hand had plenty of Super human or Tech-suited crooks to deal with.

And I was beginning to think I should have used Terry from "Epilogue" instead. You Klingons indeed have honnor.

Evank_Horizon wrote:And I was beginning to think I should have used Terry from "Epilogue" instead. You Klingons indeed have honnor.

Ka pla!!!!!!!!

Terry, cos Movie Spider-Man is quite frankly a slap in the face to comic spidey, especially Venom.

I must say I prefer Movie Spidey concept to his comic book conterpart. But I'm also one of the rare fans of Batman Beyond. It's a shame they shelved the live action movie to make Batamn Begins. This movie was so flawed.

Spiderman!

These are two ordinary guys fighting in the car park outside the pub. Maybe one called the other 'specky four eyes'. Anyway, no one really wins but they both go home sore and bruised. The next day, they forget all about it.