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Naruto Ninjas

vs.

Bleach samurai dudes or whatever they're called

Bleach are Shinigami, Means Death God but they are spirits mostly.

Bleach all the way!

Cos they are all awesome.

And Naruto has less people.

Which level of ninja? Like the Black Ops or something?

Depending on how each others physics work on each other this has potential to be a good fight. As a reasonable fan of both, although I hate naruto filler, I'm a little torn to decide.

I'ld assume it's a fight of individual characters and not mass fodder of background nameless ones. With virtually every person in naruto veres a ninja, the shinigami red shirts could be out numbered.

Shinigami's seem to average little under 3 warriors per division so i'ld generalize it to 45 to account for other actual known manga shinigami that the viewers have seen fighting and showing techniques. Still a formidable group.

Ninjas with known ability in naruto manga are not limited to the main characters. There formidable enemies and rivals the viewers have seen fighting and showing techniques could conceivably bump the 30 or so main stays with another 15 if not more. Numbers don't need to be the deciding factor in this match though.

The physics between the two series is what makes it hard for me to call. There just not that compatible without leading to other problems. Damage and destructive ability is scaled differently along with speed and other relative abilities. As is, the shinigami could potentially slaughter all who can't see undead-spirits or chakra beings. Still the nine tails could have more raw power than an esparda. Given Aizen's illusion ability I'ld think the ninjas' illusions would work on shinigami too if they could see them.

I can't easily call a winner if there physics were compatible, but the fights could be very interesting...

If it's a fight of awesomeness then I'ld lean toward the writing talents in bleach, but that shouldn't be the deciding factor of a physical or corporeal fight.

The Shinigami take this easily, since pretty much none of the Naruto characters are capable of seeing or hearing them.

I can see that.

Naruto and others wandering round looking for the Shinigami saying 'so where are these guys?'
then gah! and swords appearing and plunging into their backs and slicing them to ribbons.

All you would see would be shinagami going bankai and blood and
all that would be left would be blood puddles and nothing else.

Stormwolf wrote:The Shinigami take this easily, since pretty much none of the Naruto characters are capable of seeing or hearing them.

short of the uchia clan being able to see the nine tale spirit and Neji's people perhaps with seeing chakra and thus spirit particles, there all fighting blind. Maybe all those who have come close to death could see blurs or something, not that it would help much.

That's why it's either really one sided, or really confusing if there becomes an explanation to why the ninjas could see shinigami but not other spirits like the nine tails.

How do you think Uryu and Chado would fair against two Naruto ninjas that don't use illusion techniques?

Them shinigamis would win this one easy but if it was a vote, I'd pick the Ninjas of Naruto.

hmm well.. see ive never seen bleach so i wouldnt have known that they were spirits so yeah... maybe narutos 9tailfox spirit could see them and warn naruto but i dont know if it would help much. but maybe with the uchihas and entire hyuga clan might put up a fight but im not sure anymore

Since you just said "Naruto Ninjas", I'm assuming any character in Naruto can participate in this battle.

If so, then you can't go past Itachi and Orochimaru. They're pretty dang tough.

Armada Wheeljack wrote:Since you just said "Naruto Ninjas", I'm assuming any character in Naruto can participate in this battle.

If so, then you can't go past Itachi and Orochimaru. They're pretty dang tough.

Itachi could, but Orochimaru didn't think he could beat Itachi in his current body, or the ist uchia without sasuke's eyes, and well those eyes are the only thing that could see a spirit in the naruto-verse. At best there would be 4 users and one of them has yet to be seen

well that is tobi hasn't actually done anything yet, but he's the strongest in the Naruto-verse

From the way he's described the first uchia would give Izan a good fight. Probably could take any two captains in the bleach series following Izan's betrayal.

If they could see each other... a good fight could be had by all.

what about Yondaime? if... he hadnt died before the show started

Gigastorm wrote:what about Yondaime? if... he hadnt died before the show started

Nothing suggests the 4th, AKA Naruto's old man, could see a Shinigami, but he would likely defeat Chado, I'm not certain on Uryu.

AxiomScion wrote:

Gigastorm wrote:what about Yondaime? if... he hadnt died before the show started

Nothing suggests the 4th, AKA Naruto's old man, could see a Shinigami, but he would likely defeat Chado, I'm not certain on Uryu.

ok good enough for me

so im also guessing that kyubi naruto couldnt cut it either?

Bleach will win, unless naruto characters start having flashbacks and filler episodes until Bleach characters become so bored they walk off the battlefeild.

Psycho Warrior wrote:Bleach will win, unless naruto characters start having flashbacks and filler episodes until Bleach characters become so bored they walk off the battlefeild.

it could happen... cuz it happens like every 3 episodes or less

I think the best scenario for the Naruto group would be this.

Sasuke (after getting the snakesenin's knowlege) re-raises the First, Second, and Fourth Hokage with forbidden jutsu along with Jiray, the third kazekage and Hokage. These ninja having been dead once could see a Shinigami. Gaara also would get this advantage. Naruto ninja count is 8.

Byakugan and Sharingan users would also be able to see Shinigami. This would add Hinata and Neji along with Itachi, Kakashi, and Madara Uchiha (aka Tobi). The Rinnegan should also qualify Pain to see Shinigami. The ninja count is now 14.

Now given that the nine tails is a spirit, and can thus see spirits, who is able to lend his chakra to Naruto, could he also lend his senses? If so then Naruto, through working with the nine tails, could conceivably see a Shinigami. This would hurt Naruto's level of Chackra control but also grant more chackra for fighting. So at a reasonable best there could be 15 ninja's that could see a Shinigami.

Naruto ninjas would still loose.

This could change, if and only if, the remaining Uchia's band together and resurrect ALL their fallen clan members with forbidden jitsu, and have them each learn a ninja's abilities. This is way beyond the scope of the vs and would let Shingami red shirts over run the naruto verse with the captains and lieutenants.

Naruto ninjas would still loose.

Bleach Shinigami would win uless the 3rd Hokage uses the Death seal jusu in which case the Shinigami would have to face one of thier own

Omaga red wrote:Bleach Shinigami would win uless the 3rd Hokage uses the Death seal jusu in which case the Shinigami would have to face one of thier own

While I could debate that the Naruto summoned Shinigami is a bit different than the Bleach Shimigani's... I'll just say that short of him having a contract with that really old Shinigami (the one with the flaming released sword) the Third Hokage temporarily calling one Shingami in exchange for his mortal soul would prove a foolish tactic indeed.

note: The old bearded Shinigami was said to easily match the banki's of two captains with just his released state.

Still I wonder how far Ishida and Chado would get in a direct attack on the leaf villiage? (ie against leaf ninjas only)


oh...wait.

GigaStorm wrote:So I'm also guessing that kyubi naruto couldn't cut it either?

The ninetails in naruto has unlimited chakra and is a spirit. When he posses naruto, naruto doesn't recall his actions, it suggests the Kyubi is in control. Kyubi naruto probably could see a shinigami, but he'ld be really close to a Menos with unlimited spirit particles/ chakra forming a body around his host.

Kyubi naruto's attacks seem comparable to a ranking esparta (spartan and esper?) and his tailed spirit is the strongest of the naruto tailed spirit beasts. Ichigo probably couldn't solo him if his match with the 4th esparta was any indication. The dark chakra blast appears to surpasses the cero (aka zero blast) attacks of the Esparta thus far.

AxiomScion wrote:I think the best scenario for the Naruto group would be this.

Sasuke (after getting the snakesenin's knowlege) re-raises the First, Second, and Fourth Hokage with forbidden jutsu along with Jiray, the third kazekage and Hokage. These ninja having been dead once could see a Shinigami. Gaara also would get this advantage. Naruto ninja count is 8.

Byakugan and Sharingan users would also be able to see Shinigami. This would add Hinata and Neji along with Itachi, Kakashi, and Madara Uchiha (aka Tobi). The Rinnegan should also qualify Pain to see Shinigami. The ninja count is now 14.

Now given that the nine tails is a spirit, and can thus see spirits, who is able to lend his chakra to Naruto, could he also lend his senses? If so then Naruto, through working with the nine tails, could conceivably see a Shinigami. This would hurt Naruto's level of Chackra control but also grant more chackra for fighting. So at a reasonable best there could be 15 ninja's that could see a Shinigami.

Naruto ninjas would still loose.

This could change, if and only if, the remaining Uchia's band together and resurrect ALL their fallen clan members with forbidden jitsu, and have them each learn a ninja's abilities. This is way beyond the scope of the vs and would let Shingami red shirts over run the naruto verse with the captains and lieutenants.

Naruto ninjas would still loose.

there are hundreds more Hyugas than neji and hinata, all with the byakugan

Gigastorm wrote:there are hundreds more Hyugas than Neji and hinata, all with the byakugan

I'm well aware but they are all background characters and more likely less effective than Neji; some even less then Hinata, (beside Hinata's father and members of his upper house anyway) at best your looking at 20 capable "redshirts". Neji and Hinata have moves not taught to the lower house and they only amount to a short range quency.

But then there are the other "redshirt" shinigami in each division and "redshirt" council members and "redshirt" trainers of the Shinigami's to be.

Hinata's village would be out numbered. this is similar to...

as I previously wrote:This could change, if and only if, the remaining Uchia's band together and resurrect ALL their fallen clan members with forbidden jitsu, and have them each learn a ninja's abilities. This is way beyond the scope of the vs and would let Shingami red shirts over run the naruto verse with the captains and lieutenants.

Naruto ninjas would still loose.

Even with only the captains and lieutenants shown fighting in the manga, it's still in the Shinigami's favor.

If Naruto is put into a tub of bleach, he will turn white after a few days. However, he will die and the local area will be smothered in chlorine. Winner: pest control.