The Energon Pub

It's a normal day for the Enterprise-E, post Nemesis. The ship itself is in orbit of a planet at the edge of Federation space, investigating a distress call by a science vessel.

All in all, a normal day.

*BRIDGE*

"Sensors, can you pick up any traces of the ship?"

"None Sir."

A white flash of light fills the air.

"Blast it! Q! What are you doing here? We have no time for your games."

"I'm here to give you a warning for once, Jean Luc. Chaos is Coming. Something bigger than the Continuum is right on your doorstep. I'm here to help."

"What do you mean,b last it, bigger than the Continuum? I thought you said you were all knowing and all seeing?"

"Something that predates us, Jean Luc.. Something that even has us in hiding--"

"Captain! We're picking up a MASSIVE wormhole opening! I've never seen anything this big before!"

"What is it?"

"Captain, we're picking up a wormhole several tens of -thousands- of kilometers in size! Something BIG is coming through it!"

"Red Alert!"

"Jean Luck.. Prepare yourself. CHAOS IS COMING."

"Captain! Something the size of a PLANET is coming through the wormhole!"


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Obviously, this is Unicron in Star Trek, post Voyager's return. In this universe, there is no such thing as his most hated adversary, Primus, or the Autobot Matrix.

Assuming that the Enterprise survives and escapes Unicron in the initial encounter, they'll have time as he moves to begin start devouring planets, moving from along the periphery of the Alpha Quadrant devouring planets until he gets to the main sectors of space.

The Federation has all of it's resources at it's disposal, and it can make or break any alliances with the rest of the Alpha/Gamma Quadrant races, assuming that they can be talked into helping rather than simply hopign that Unicron exterminates the Federation and then leaving them to fight amongst themselves to finish it off and conquer the remaints.

This is Dark God of Chaos Unicron, from across the Transformers Multiverse. He has access to the entire Cybertronian multiverse to cull in those to be his heralds, and he can be downright Machiavellian should he choose to be with the Alpha Quadrant races to play them to His game.

While the Q are there, as well as the various 'greater' races of the galaxy (Wormhole Aliens, Bajoran Prophets, etc), they can only help as ADVISORS, and Unicron cannot be hurt by any of thier powers. This is because Unicron is an Entropic God of Chaos, something that has existed before this universe even came into being. If they would atetmpt to confront him or use their powers over against him, he would but consume them. He can summon Heralds from other realities if need be, or even actively convert his enemies into them.. Imagine the remaisn of the Sovereign Class Enterprise becoming his new Herald, Nemesis Prime!

The Federation has access to all technology it could /realistically/ replicate or research, and that includes things it can utilize, but might choose not to due to diplomatic backlash. The entire galaxy is /NOT/ united against Unicron, rather he is focusing on the Federation first and foremost, giving them the impression that perhaps Unicron and the Federation will destroy one another and then leave the rest of the galaxy to feast upon the remains. If research is done archaologically, the UFP will find many races with imagery of a death god, a gigantic horned planet that is said to forebear the end of the galaxy coming, the total death and eclipse of the entire universe into the quantum mass to be reborn again.

The Federation has access to time travel technology, but /very/ limited ability to transfer to alternate realities (Ie, the Mirrorverse). Unicron has access to both and can pull beings to him from throughout space and time to crush his enemies.

The hated enemy of Unicron, Primus, nor his life force do /NOT/ exist in this reality, and no one has any information about him, or even realizes he exists (This /includes/ beings like the Q).

The Federation wins if they can PERMANENTLY destroy or banish Unicron from the reailty and save the galaxy from him. Unicron wins if he can destroy the entire Federation and then take the rest fo the Alpha Quadrant with him. If the Federation destroys Unicron's body, but he retreats to the astral realm to eventually be reborn, this DOES NOT COUNT AS A WIN. Only a permanent banishment of Unicron and something that will prevent his resurrection counts. There is NO HELP ALLOWED from outside the Federation's prime reality, unless they could realistically replicate technology for such travel and somehow find outside help to coem and help them. Time Travel /is/ allowed via any means, but note UNICRON CAN DO THE SAME. The Federation has any and all resources it can bring to bear, with the potential consequences for utilizatoin as well (cloaking devices, Genesis Torpedo, WMD tech, etc) in provoking other races to attack it.

Id say the Federations screwed unless they somehow replicate the Matrix of leadership

It would be interesting to see if the Genesis Project would even work on Unicron. If so, they might have a chance to defeat Unicron.

dx 48 wrote:Id say the Federations screwed unless they somehow replicate the Matrix of leadership

I agree, and there is no way they can copy the divine power of Primus so they are screwed to no end.

Evolution Prime wrote:It would be interesting to see if the Genesis Project would even work on Unicron. If so, they might have a chance to defeat Unicron.

A stabilized Genesis weapon would at the very least obliterate Unicron's body, theoretically, or terraform him to an organic world, which would seriously depower him for a long time. Especially if by the TNG time they fixed wahtever went wrong with Protomatter.

Thanatos Prime wrote:I agree, and there is no way they can copy the divine power of Primus so they are screwed to no end.

Unicron's been stopped in multiple continuities before without the Matrix.

In the Unicron trilogy he was stopped by a massive Decepticon/Autobot assault that culminated in the alliance against him with the help of the MInicons. Then, he was plunged into a sun. And then imprisoned in a black hole.

In Devil's Due GI JOE/Transformers v4, he was stopped by organic rust spores that consumed his brain and left him a floating derelict (I am /NOT/ making this up).

In Beast Wars Neo he possessed Galvatron II (BW char, not Marvel US, dragon) and was blasted by the combined attack of Magmatron and.. Big or Lio Convoy, I froget who.

And then in BW v2: The Gathering (IDW) he was stopped by the destruction of his intended avatar form and the disruption of his Matrix, Shokaract.

Jacoiros wrote:

Thanatos Prime wrote:I agree, and there is no way they can copy the divine power of Primus so they are screwed to no end.

Unicron's been stopped in multiple continuities before without the Matrix.

In the Unicron trilogy he was stopped by a massive Decepticon/Autobot assault that culminated in the alliance against him with the help of the MInicons. Then, he was plunged into a sun. And then imprisoned in a black hole.

In Devil's Due GI JOE/Transformers v4, he was stopped by organic rust spores that consumed his brain and left him a floating derelict (I am /NOT/ making this up).

In Beast Wars Neo he possessed Galvatron II (BW char, not Marvel US, dragon) and was blasted by the combined attack of Magmatron and.. Big or Lio Convoy, I froget who.

That's the weak cartoonbased Unicron that got built by monkey, it's best to ignore him.

Jacoiros wrote:And then in BW v2: The Gathering (IDW) he was stopped by the destruction of his intended avatar form and the disruption of his Matrix, Shokaract.

Unicron was essentially returning from his defeat in "Edge of Extinction". In a sense he could still come back since he himself wasn't really destroyed at the end of "The Gathering".

Thanatos Prime wrote:

dx 48 wrote:Id say the Federations screwed unless they somehow replicate the Matrix of leadership

I agree, and there is no way they can copy the divine power of Primus so they are screwed to no end.

Divine Power of Primus = Cosmic Flashlight

You know, Q is omnipotent, he'd have no trouble taking out Unicron himself. And if anything he could pop over to the TF universe, as Prime how to stop Unicron, then duplicate the power of the Cosmic Flashlight known as the MAtrix, and boom. No more Unicron.

Senor Hugo wrote:Divine Power of Primus = Cosmic Flashlight

You know, Q is omnipotent, he'd have no trouble taking out Unicron himself. And if anything he could pop over to the TF universe, as Prime how to stop Unicron, then duplicate the power of the Cosmic Flashlight known as the MAtrix, and boom. No more Unicron.

Actually, compared ot chars like Galactus or Mxyplkth, Q's haven't displayed /that/ much omnipotence. Among his abilities are creating realistic illusions/bringing life out of thin air, transporting the Enterprise halfway across the galaxy, and tormenting Picard with some sort fo temporal illusoin when his heart died and then creating an alternate pocket reality around him.

The effects of the Q civil war were stated to be 'disruptive to the fabric of space time' - by such things as stars randomly going nova and black holes forming.

Multiple characters in comics have displayed the ability to destroy galaxies or even the etnire universe as a casual air. If you're going by 'Gods' then Washu is infinitely more powerful than Q as she has better feats under her name than all of the Metaphysical characters in Star Trek combined.

Unicron is an Elder, ENtropic Anthropomorphic representation of Chaos that is said to exist solely to consume all of reality to bring it collapsing down on itself in total destruction. Ergo his age is potetnially tens, hundreds of billions or even TRILLIONS of years old. While we don't know the origins o f the Q, nothing I've ever read remotely implies that they're older than the current reality that they exist in.

The Power of Primus is in essence the power of a contained Big Bang, which when released could potentially restart the fabric of reality after Unicron obliterated it.

The highest end metaphysical feats we see in Star Trek are either that of the Bajoran Prophets, who casually obliterated the entire Dominion Fleet in DS9, or a character I forget the name of in TNG that wiped an entire galactic-spanning Empire out in the blink of an eye as if they never even existed. Both of which are power feats that are greater than /ANYTHING/ the Q, any member of the continuum or it's etnirety, have ever displayed.

If one goes by levels of omniscience and omnipotence, the Q are at the low end of the spectrum, not at the peak.

Fari enough. I still think that the Federation could theoretically stop him with a GEnesis Torpedo, or at least mess up his physical body enough it'd take him decades to purge the organics - or if they get creative they could blast him with a super-rust parasite or something to consume his internals like they did in the GI JOE crossover.. Does that count as canon or not?

Senor Hugo wrote:You know, Q is omnipotent

No, he's not.

Anyways, Unicron wins.

At the moment, the only way I can think of how the Federation would be able to stop him, would be to use any and all combat/spaceworthy ship, load them all with Transphasic torpedoes (which we've seen takes only 1 or 2 to destroy a borg cube) and fire them at a critical system.

If we're talking theoretical weapons from future/and or alternate timelines, then they could use the giant phaser cannon from the All Good Things 1701-D, the EMH's photonic cannon from his daydream, or as a last resort, prep a load of ships packed to the maximum with explosives, maybe cloak them and fly them at Unicron on remote control/auto navigation.

If they allied themselves with one of the other major alien races, then I'd like to see what damage the Scimitar would do, either with it's direct energy weapons, or the Thalaron generator, possibly refitted to damage tech instead of organic matter.

Jacoiros wrote:If one goes by levels of omniscience and omnipotence, the Q are at the low end of the spectrum, not at the peak.

You also have to keep in mind that the Q perfer to take a passive role in most of the events of the universe. That stated, saying they are at the low end of the power spectrum is erroneous.

The emergence of Unicron into the Star Trek universe would undoubtably pique the interest of the Borg that were not destroyed in Endgame. The Borg would deem Unicron a threat and consider allying with the Federation to stop Unicron (on the basis that they allied with Voyager to stop Species 8472, who was decimating the Collective) Borg nanoprobes would probably wreak havoc on Unicron's systems, although they may attempt to assimilate his body which would open up a whole other can of worms for the Feddies.

Weapons like the Genesis device and transphasic torpedos would also possibly to some notable damage to Unicron.

The Klingons, Romulans and the Dominion would probably also side with the Federation eventually out of self preservation.

Jacoiros wrote:Actually, compared ot chars like Galactus or Mxyplkth, Q's haven't displayed /that/ much omnipotence. Among his abilities are creating realistic illusions/bringing life out of thin air, transporting the Enterprise halfway across the galaxy, and tormenting Picard with some sort fo temporal illusoin when his heart died and then creating an alternate pocket reality around him.

The effects of the Q civil war were stated to be 'disruptive to the fabric of space time' - by such things as stars randomly going nova and black holes forming.

Multiple characters in comics have displayed the ability to destroy galaxies or even the etnire universe as a casual air. If you're going by 'Gods' then Washu is infinitely more powerful than Q as she has better feats under her name than all of the Metaphysical characters in Star Trek combined.

Unicron is an Elder, ENtropic Anthropomorphic representation of Chaos that is said to exist solely to consume all of reality to bring it collapsing down on itself in total destruction. Ergo his age is potetnially tens, hundreds of billions or even TRILLIONS of years old. While we don't know the origins o f the Q, nothing I've ever read remotely implies that they're older than the current reality that they exist in.

The Power of Primus is in essence the power of a contained Big Bang, which when released could potentially restart the fabric of reality after Unicron obliterated it.

The highest end metaphysical feats we see in Star Trek are either that of the Bajoran Prophets, who casually obliterated the entire Dominion Fleet in DS9, or a character I forget the name of in TNG that wiped an entire galactic-spanning Empire out in the blink of an eye as if they never even existed. Both of which are power feats that are greater than /ANYTHING/ the Q, any member of the continuum or it's etnirety, have ever displayed.

If one goes by levels of omniscience and omnipotence, the Q are at the low end of the spectrum, not at the peak.

The character from TNG your referring to was named Kevin and he was a Douwd .....but to imply that his actions and does of the Bajoran Prophets were more powerful that those of Q and "rhe Q" is remarkably shortsighted.

I dont see how the destroying of a Dominion fleet and the entire "Husnock" empire could compair to "The Q's" creation of 2 alternate universe's and an event that if not averted may have prevented the human race.

OptimusN1701 wrote:The emergence of Unicron into the Star Trek universe would undoubtably pique the interest of the Borg that were not destroyed in Endgame. The Borg would deem Unicron a threat and consider allying with the Federation to stop Unicron (on the basis that they allied with Voyager to stop Species 8472, who was decimating the Collective) Borg nanoprobes would probably wreak havoc on Unicron's systems, although they may attempt to assimilate his body which would open up a whole other can of worms for the Feddies.

I think that the Borg could bow to the Chaosbringer, and emerge to a new level of Horsemen....

That said, Unicron wins.


But if the Federation shovels up the records of Stan Bush...

Chaoslock wrote:

OptimusN1701 wrote:The emergence of Unicron into the Star Trek universe would undoubtably pique the interest of the Borg that were not destroyed in Endgame. The Borg would deem Unicron a threat and consider allying with the Federation to stop Unicron (on the basis that they allied with Voyager to stop Species 8472, who was decimating the Collective) Borg nanoprobes would probably wreak havoc on Unicron's systems, although they may attempt to assimilate his body which would open up a whole other can of worms for the Feddies.

I think that the Borg could bow to the Chaosbringer, and emerge to a new level of Horsemen....

That said, Unicron wins.


But if the Federation shovels up the records of Stan Bush...

That sure is a scary thought, the Borg joining with Unicron.

"You have only prolonged your dismemberment!"

If we're talking about God Unicron, then nothing can stop him short of the Creation Matrix.

But here is where trek would win. *Begin Wank*

Everytime the Enterprise has encountered some kind of strange portal to another universe, or galaxy, or dimmenion. w/e. they were able to somehow duplicate it by the end of the movie/episode.

The Enterprise wanks up their own Wormhole into the TF universe, heads to cybertron, grabs prime, lets him reformat based upon the Ent-E, and they go back through the wormhole and own Unicron, Deus Ex Machina indeed.

The Federation wins, and without the help of Ewoks no less!

Against the cartoon Unicron, who is not a god but just a big scary planet-eating robot, the Federation would win after VERY heavy losses.

Against Unicron the God, they lose.

what about using a tachion pulse at three differint points of time. this would cause antitime and force unicron back to his dimension, then have the entire federation fire omega bombs into that sector of space so warp travel is imposible. finaly leave a borg distress call in the exact center of where the portal was. when Unicron reapears the borg will be there to elimanate each other

Against Ego the living planet, the Federation would win. (off topic)
Against the planet that devours everything in its path... they have no chance.

Riker: Red Alert!

Red Alert [annoyed]: What is it NOW, human?!

Riker [muttering]: F*** this s***!

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Maybe Unicron would be sent to Federation space by Q as another test?! (What a bastard!)