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Who would win a match between the evil Combiners like Devastator and the Good guy Gundams

Probably the Gundams, Wing Zero's buster rifle was absurdly powerful. That thing would annihilate Predaking in 1 shot.

So we have:

Predaking
Bruticus
Devestator
Abominus
Menasor
Monstructor
Dinoking
Liokaiser
Tripredacus / Tripledacus
Piranacon
King Poseidon
God Neptune
Bruticus Maximus
Constructicon Maximus

vs.

*Deep breath*

RX-78-2 Gundam
Gundam MKII
Zeta Gundam
ZZ Gundam
Nu Gundam
Gundam F91
Gundam "Zephyranthes"
Gundam "Dendrobium Stamen"
Gundam[G]
Gundam Ez8
Victory Gundam
Victory 2 Gundam
Shining Gundam
God/Burning Gundam
Wing Gundam
Wing Gundam Zero
Gundam X
Double X Gundam
Turn-A Gundam
Strike Gundam
Freedom Gundam
Impulse Gundam
Destiny Gundam
Strike Freedom Gundam
Gundam Exia


Now, these are only the "Hero" Gundams, that being Gundams that have been piloted by the main character of the series (Or in Strike Freedom's case, the Main character of the previous series), and have been given the designation Gundam. This list doesn't include other "Good Guy" Gundams, such as Deathsythe, Dynames, or Justice Gundams.

So where does any of this seem fair?

EDIT: Copy and pasted the missed Combiners and Gundams from mine and Stormwolf's lists.

Shadowman wrote:So we have:

Predaking
Bruticus
Devestator
Abominus
Menasor

vs.

*Deep breath*

RX-78-2 Gundam
Gundam MKII
Zeta Gundam
ZZ Gundam
Nu Gundam
Gundam F91
Victory Gundam
Shining Gundam
God/Burning Gundam
Wing Gundam
Wing Gundam Zero
Gundam X
Turn-A Gundam
Strike Gundam
Freedom Gundam
Impulse Gundam
Destiny Gundam
Strike Freedom Gundam
Gundam Exia

Now, these are only the "Hero" Gundams, that being Gundams that have been piloted by the main character of the series (Or in Strike Freedom's case, the Main character of the previous series), and have been given the designation Gundam. This list doesn't include other "Good Guy" Gundams, such as Deathsythe, Dynames, or Justice Gundams.

So where does any of this seem fair?

EDIT: Menasor! I KNEW I forgot one!

You also forgot to mention how all of those gundams have the ability to hold their own by themselves against all the combiners. This is a slaughter, plain and simple...

Shadowman wrote:So we have:

Predaking
Bruticus
Devestator
Abominus
Menasor

You missed a few:

Monstructor
Dinoking
Liokaiser
Tripredacus / Tripledacus
Piranacon
King Poseidon
God Neptune
Bruticus Maximus
Constructicon Maximus

Anyway, I think that I'll vote the Gundams, unless the Gundam pilots get too close to Monstructor.....

Stormwolf wrote:

Shadowman wrote:So we have:

Predaking
Bruticus
Devestator
Abominus
Menasor

You missed a few:

Monstructor
Dinoking
Liokaiser
Tripredacus / Tripledacus
Piranacon
King Poseidon
God Neptune
Bruticus Maximus
Constructicon Maximus

I intentionally left out post-G1 combiners. Though I guess it doesn't really matter, considering that I left out a very large number of Good Gundams.

Stormwolf wrote:Anyway, I think that I'll vote the Gundams, unless the Gundam pilots get too close to Monstructor.....

Strike Freedom Gundam and Nu Gundam wouldn't even need to be FACING their target. Gotta love Funnels.

Shadowman wrote:I intentionally left out post-G1 combiners. Though I guess it doesn't really matter, considering that I left out a very large number of Good Gundams.

Monstructor And Piranacon are G1 combiners.

Stormwolf wrote:

Shadowman wrote:I intentionally left out post-G1 combiners. Though I guess it doesn't really matter, considering that I left out a very large number of Good Gundams.

Monstructor And Piranacon are G1 combiners.

Yeah, they were left out by accident. I couldn't find them on Wikipedia's list of G1 cartoon characters.

Still, it doesn't really matter. I could easily double the number of Gundams if I wanted to include ALL the good guy Gundams.

Shadowman wrote:

Stormwolf wrote:

Shadowman wrote:I intentionally left out post-G1 combiners. Though I guess it doesn't really matter, considering that I left out a very large number of Good Gundams.

Monstructor And Piranacon are G1 combiners.

Yeah, they were left out by accident. I couldn't find them on Wikipedia's list of G1 cartoon characters.

Still, it doesn't really matter. I could easily double the number of Gundams if I wanted to include ALL the good guy Gundams.

Yup the Gundams would take this since they've got the cliché overpoweredness that comes with Japanese mecha.

Though I still think that Monstructor could suck the life out of the pilots if they ever got near him (like 80 meters or so I guess).

Stormwolf wrote:Yup the Gundams would take this since they've got the cliché overpoweredness that comes with Japanese mecha.

Though I still think that Monstructor could suck the life out of the pilots if they ever got near him (like 80 meters or so I guess).

80 meters is just under 4 times the over-all height of a Gundam. The only suits that'd need to get in that range are Shining Gundam, God Gundam, and maybe Gundam Exia if it's beam pistol doesn't cut it. Every other Gundam has fought well over that range.

Shadowman wrote:

Stormwolf wrote:Yup the Gundams would take this since they've got the cliché overpoweredness that comes with Japanese mecha.

Though I still think that Monstructor could suck the life out of the pilots if they ever got near him (like 80 meters or so I guess).

80 meters is just under 4 times the over-all height of a Gundam. The only suits that'd need to get in that range are Shining Gundam, God Gundam, and maybe Gundam Exia if it's beam pistol doesn't cut it. Every other Gundam has fought well over that range.

Well, beam weapons aren't going to cut it if Spotlight: Optimus Prime is any indication. Prime Shot Monstructor in the back, but the blast got absorbed before it could actually touch him.

Stormwolf wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Stormwolf wrote:Yup the Gundams would take this since they've got the cliché overpoweredness that comes with Japanese mecha.

Though I still think that Monstructor could suck the life out of the pilots if they ever got near him (like 80 meters or so I guess).

80 meters is just under 4 times the over-all height of a Gundam. The only suits that'd need to get in that range are Shining Gundam, God Gundam, and maybe Gundam Exia if it's beam pistol doesn't cut it. Every other Gundam has fought well over that range.

Well, beam weapons aren't going to cut it if Spotlight: Optimus Prime is any indication. Prime Shot Monstructor in the back, but the blast got absorbed before it could actually touch him.

They have ol' fashion lead weapons as well. Plus there'd have to be a limit to how powerful a blast he can absorb. In that case X Gundam's Satellite Cannon (Which was meant for destroying Colonies, and once wiped out an entire battlefield) would do the trick.

Shadowman wrote:RX-78-2 Gundam
Gundam MKII
Zeta Gundam
ZZ Gundam
Nu Gundam
Gundam F91
Victory Gundam
Shining Gundam
God/Burning Gundam
Wing Gundam
Wing Gundam Zero
Gundam X
Turn-A Gundam
Strike Gundam
Freedom Gundam
Impulse Gundam
Destiny Gundam
Strike Freedom Gundam
Gundam Exia

Now, these are only the "Hero" Gundams, that being Gundams that have been piloted by the main character of the series (Or in Strike Freedom's case, the Main character of the previous series), and have been given the designation Gundam. This list doesn't include other "Good Guy" Gundams, such as Deathsythe, Dynames, or Justice Gundams.

So where does any of this seem fair?

EDIT: Menasor! I KNEW I forgot one!

Missed a few hero-piloted Gundams:

Double X Gundam
Victory 2 Gundam
Gundam "Zephyranthes"
Gundam "Dendrobium Stamen"
Gundam[G]
Gundam Ez8

And that came with a lot of researching, since I haven't gotten to those series' yet.

Devastator and Bruticus are not very Mentally capable, as well as very slow. Gundams are fast, agile, versatile, and some are packing immense fire power. (Wing Zero for instance, like somone mention). So it only be a question of tme,before The Decepticons combiners be scrapped.

Gundams win by default.

It would take less than a third of the good gundams to whoop up on the decepticon combiners

In terms power, speed or fighting skills, Amuro Ray outclasses most Gestalts without much trouble using only RX-78. Now don't get me started with the likes of Z Gundam, ZZ Gundam or Nu Gundam...

Dinoking could probably fight longer than others but if you pit him against a talented newtype in a gundam equiped with funnels, he will just be overwhelmed.

I felt like finishing the list of Gundams, since I didn't include all "Good" Gundams.

Gundam "Alex"
Gundam Maxter
Gundam Rose
Dragon Gundam
Gundam Spiegel
Rising Gundam
Gundam Deathscythe
Gundam Deathscythe Hell
Gundam Sandrock
Gundam Sandrock Kai
Gundam Heavy Arms
Gundam Heavy Arms Kai
Shenlong Gundam
Altron Gundam
Gundam Leopard
Gundam Leopard Destroy
Gundam Airmaster
Gundam Airmaster Burst
Buster Gundam
Justice Gundam
Infinite Justice Gundam
Savior Gundam
Legend Gundam
Gundam Dynames
Gundam Vitue
Gundam Nadleeh
Gundam Kyrios.

Now, a few of those I'm not sure about. Savior and Legend are at the top of this list, since by that time, Kira had taken over as Main Character, and Athrun was characterized of kind of a dick. Shinn and Rey in the Destiny and the Legend respectively were also portrayed as somewhat villainous, though that's mostly from misunderstanding and blind loyalty, not necessarily their own fault.

Sine this list includes all Gundams who were piloted by "Good" characters, I didn't include it in my original list, because this doubles the Gundams numbers.

So if you want to include this in any sort of judgment, be my guest.

EDIT: Whoops, listed Duel when I should have listed Buster.

I don't think an 80 meter lifedrain range is going to do much when you consider that the maximum range on the RX-78's beam rifle is 20 kilometers, or the fact that it's meant to hit with the equivalent force of a battleship's main gun. And far and away, it happens to be one of the weakest available weapons on the Gundam side.

This is a one-sided killfest. A FUN one sided killfest, but still...

Gundams

AfterImage wrote:I don't think an 80 meter lifedrain range is going to do much when you consider that the maximum range on the RX-78's beam rifle is 20 kilometers, or the fact that it's meant to hit with the equivalent force of a battleship's main gun. And far and away, it happens to be one of the weakest available weapons on the Gundam side.

This is a one-sided killfest. A FUN one sided killfest, but still...

I so agree with this.

I wonder how things would have been if the original story of the transformers had been written by skilled Japanese writers aiming at slightly older viewers instead of americans. I bet there would have been stronger TFs than what we got now.

Plain and simple.....And not very hard to see, no matter how hard the Decepticon Combiners try........They'll be scrapped....

I wonder how things would have been if the original story of the transformers had been written by skilled Japanese writers aiming at slightly older viewers instead of americans. I bet there would have been stronger TFs than what we got now.

Which is what we got in Cybertron and Energon (well not the good writing). The Tfs from those shows vastly overpower the ones from other TF fiction, outside of more cosmic characters.

We had things like Optimus Supreme pushing Unicron away from a planet.

They played at a level way above the Gundams.

I am going have to disagree the Gundams while powerful are piloted by humans which would inhibit their fighting abilities while the gestalts are not only immensily powerful but operate on their own and have no need for human pilots. You have Gestalts like Menasor, Predaking, Monstructor and a few others that would tear into the gundams long before human reactions could effectively counter their attacks not to mention the gestalts are all immensly durable and much tougher to destroy than the gundams overall the Decepticon combiners win.

Galaxion wrote:I am going have to disagree the Gundams while powerful are piloted by humans which would inhibit their fighting abilities while the gestalts are not only immensily powerful but operate on their own and have no need for human pilots. You have Gestalts like Menasor, Predaking, Monstructor and a few others that would tear into the gundams long before human reactions could effectively counter their attacks not to mention the gestalts are all immensly durable and much tougher to destroy than the gundams overall the Decepticon combiners win.

You're kidding, right? There twice as many Gundams, each with ten times as much firepower. Also, reaction time for most pilots is beyond instantaneous; Amuro Ray was capable of seeing what was about to happen around a minute into the future, and he wasn't even the strongest.

Gestalts in Transformers are hardly know for their speed.I imagine a team up between Freedom and Exia could handle this. With Kira's seed mode and Exias trans am they won't be hit.