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For those of you who don't know Dr. Manhattan, look up on wikipedia.

Anyways, who can beat him? Does anyone out there think someone can take the awesome power that is Dr. Manhattan? If so why?

Captain Atom can beat him since Manhattan is just the knock off version

Bill Door FTW!
He is the end to all things.
Oh and if you don't know Bill Door, look him up on wikipedia.

Dead Metal wrote:Bill Door FTW!
He is the end to all things.
Oh and if you don't know Bill Door, look him up on wikipedia.

Joe Black > Bill Door

The antimonitor, alexander luthor, and, to an extent, superboy prime, could win, since all of them are at least partially composed of antimatter and, therefore, are immune to his powers. also, with enough prep time, Batman can beat him.

JaAm wrote:The antimonitor, alexander luthor, and, to an extent, superboy prime, could win, since all of them are at least partially composed of antimatter and, therefore, are immune to his powers. also, with enough prep time, Batman can beat him.

Bringing Batman into this isn't fair, he can beat anybody...

Armorock wrote:

JaAm wrote:The antimonitor, alexander luthor, and, to an extent, superboy prime, could win, since all of them are at least partially composed of antimatter and, therefore, are immune to his powers. also, with enough prep time, Batman can beat him.

Bringing Batman into this isn't fair, he can beat anybody...

That's the no. 1 rule of comic book fights: with enough planning and prep time, Batman can do anything.

Original Sin wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Bill Door FTW!
He is the end to all things.
Oh and if you don't know Bill Door, look him up on wikipedia.

Joe Black > Bill Door

NEVER!

This guy:
http://alaxr274.deviantart.com/art/Marv ... -101755096
He's stronger and faster than Dr. Manhattan.

The combined power of Sailor Moon, Voltron, God, Jesus, Chuck Norris, Unicron, and Captain Falcon.

Gyro-Robo wrote:This guy:
http://alaxr274.deviantart.com/art/Marv ... -101755096
He's stronger and faster than Dr. Manhattan.

Being stroger and faster doesn't do a whole lot for you when your opponet can disentigrate you at will. He doesn't even have to touch you, he can just think it and you get ripped in a million pieces.

JaAm wrote:

Gyro-Robo wrote:This guy:
http://alaxr274.deviantart.com/art/Marv ... -101755096
He's stronger and faster than Dr. Manhattan.

Being stroger and faster doesn't do a whole lot for you when your opponet can disentigrate you at will. He doesn't even have to touch you, he can just think it and you get ripped in a million pieces.

That gut can disentigrate at will too.

Gyro-Robo wrote:

JaAm wrote:

Gyro-Robo wrote:This guy:
http://alaxr274.deviantart.com/art/Marv ... -101755096
He's stronger and faster than Dr. Manhattan.

Being stroger and faster doesn't do a whole lot for you when your opponet can disentigrate you at will. He doesn't even have to touch you, he can just think it and you get ripped in a million pieces.

That gut can disentigrate at will too.

And that guy is a fan.made character and doesn't count in a fight like this.

Dead Metal wrote:And that guy is a fan.made character and doesn't count in a fight like this.

Fan-made characters don't count in any fight, because you can simply change or add powers when you might lose an argument.

Also, Batman could beat Doctor Manhattan with his special Bat-Matter Annihilator he just happened to have.

JaAm wrote:The antimonitor, alexander luthor, and, to an extent, superboy prime, could win, since all of them are at least partially composed of antimatter and, therefore, are immune to his powers. also, with enough prep time, Batman can beat him.

Where did you get that Superboy Prime is partially composed of Antimatter?????

SailorCybertron24 wrote:The combined power of Sailor Moon, Voltron, God, Jesus, Chuck Norris, Unicron, and Captain Falcon.

Sailor Moon sucks and dies in a heart beat.

Voltron gets obliterated

God and Jesus lose because they are part of mythology, not comic book fiction

Chuck Norris has NO POWER. Its a bad joke that got old years ago.

Captain Falcon loses.

Unicron, I honestly don't know

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Where did you get that Superboy Prime is partially composed of Antimatter?????

I'm assuming he got that from Prime's armor being created from the antimonitor. Plus, he had to of absorbed a **** load of antimatter

I'll give it a shot:

Unicron
Primus
Galactus
Silver Surfer
Celestials
13 Original Transformers
Batman with time to prep
Phoenix (Jean Grey)
Omega (Doctor Who)
Sutekh (Doctor Who)

Original Sin wrote:

SailorCybertron24 wrote:The combined power of Sailor Moon, Voltron, God, Jesus, Chuck Norris, Unicron, and Captain Falcon.

Sailor Moon sucks and dies in a heart beat.

Voltron gets obliterated

God and Jesus lose because they are part of mythology, not comic book fiction

Chuck Norris has NO POWER. Its a bad joke that got old years ago.

Captain Falcon loses.

Unicron, I honestly don't know

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Where did you get that Superboy Prime is partially composed of Antimatter?????

I'm assuming he got that from Prime's armor being created from the antimonitor. Plus, he had to of absorbed a **** load of antimatter

God and Jesus are not part of mythology

Gyro-Robo wrote:God and Jesus are not part of mythology

They're part of Christian and Catholic mythology. Just as Thor and Odin are part of Norse Mythology, and Zeus and Ares are part of Greek Mythology.

Shadowman wrote:

Gyro-Robo wrote:God and Jesus are not part of mythology

They're part of Christian and Catholic mythology. Just as Thor and Odin are part of Norse Mythology, and Zeus and Ares are part of Greek Mythology.

But even Thor once said that he was a "Good Christian".

Which would mean that Thor believes in the Catholic mythology.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:But even Thor once said that he was a "Good Christian".

Which would mean that Thor believes in the Catholic mythology.

Wouldn't that mean he inherently breaks the First Commandment? Does "You Shall Have No Gods Before Me" apply to a man who happens to be a God himself?

Also, Norse Paganism predates Catholisism and Christianity by a couple thousand years. Thor couldn't have worshiped a religion that didn't exist at the time.

Your over thinking both issues, let me break it down.

Shadowman wrote:Wouldn't that mean he inherently breaks the First Commandment? Does "You Shall Have No Gods Before Me" apply to a man who happens to be a God himself?

I would say it does but it wouldnt be the only case of "Christ" followers breaking that commandment and still believing they are good Christains.....Just look to "Sanitaria".

Shadowman wrote:Also, Norse Paganism predates Catholisism and Christianity by a couple thousand years. Thor couldn't have worshiped a religion that didn't exist at the time.

The Nors myth may predate Catholisism but it dose not predate the religion or beliefs that Catholisism was born from.

The best documented version of the Norse pagan religions and when they were worshiped is fron is 17th and 11th century A.D.

But belief in a"Single God religion" far predates that and the God of the Catholioc Myth is the same God from Judaism which began in 2000 BCE.

Which means that while Catholisism did not exsist at the time the God of that religon did so its not impossible for Thor to have believed in "God" first and then carried over that belief to Catholisism.

So theres no reason Thor, or the other Gods of the Norse Myth,could not subscribe to a "Greater" single God belief.

Actually between 8th and 14th centuries, and most of the written text came during and after Christianity took hold. In the centuries before that it was all spoken word.

But other than that none of it fits. It's like Christian God being a Buddhist, why would the God of one mythology be a practitioner of another?

I'll have to see if I can find my Mythology book from school, I haven't seen it in years. But I swear that in Norse mythology that it says after the gods die they will be replaced by a single entity.

I don't remember the details, I haven't touched the book since my sophomore year of high school which was back in 03/04

Shadowman wrote:Actually between 8th and 14th centuries, and most of the written text came during and after Christianity took hold. In the centuries before that it was all spoken word.

I ment 7th not 17th.

And even with the fact that it was a spoken religion before that the God of Judism predates even the spoken time frame of the Germernic Gods.

Shadowman wrote:But other than that none of it fits. It's like Christian God being a Buddhist, why would the God of one mythology be a practitioner of another?

Well saying he "Believes" is far different then saying he is a practitioner, but thats a different debate.

As for your other statement....It actully fits a lot better then you would think.

Remember Thor is a God to his worshipers but what does Thor, himself, worship?????

The Nors Religion, like most Pagan religions, is one based on a "Class System", with "Greater" and "Lesser" Gods within its own pantheon.So itsnot hard to believe that they could have believed in a "God" above all Gods.

Even Odin acknowliges that "Those that sit above in Shadow" are Greater Gods then he himself is.But even those "Greater Gods" were part of the over all Norse Myth.

And the Norse Myth itself is fractured into 2 God sets.

Asgard home of the Aesir [aka Asgardians Odin Thor exctra]

Vanaheimr home of the Vanir [Njord ,father of the gods of Vanir,reyja a goddess of fertility]


The two groups are said to have waged war against one another for a very long time which ended in the unification of the two into a single group og Gods.

And the Gods of the Norse Myth believed that there were other Gods outside their own, Odin sought out the Goddes of Earth to bear him a son that was part of the Earth....that Son was Thor.

So as I said, Thor believing in a single "Greater" God above all "Gods" fits pretty well into the way their systom worked.